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On January 13 2013 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Rofllllllll. MrZentor.... this guy is fucking hilarious. Ill let you do you. Cousins lol.
On regards to the Zentor pressure. I would check the past game British Mafia.
He had a town read on me early he had town reads on most people. But it was weird he was convinced i was town. Then as we played more i realized that i was getting to understand his play more and had a town read on him.
But when he helped mislynch two townies my read flipped and i thought that he must be scum cause he was so positive of his town read on me and it freaked me out. He hard defended me the whole time just cause he had a good read on me being town. So I wanted to lynch him cause i thought he was scum for knowing my role. But as it turned out he was town made me change my read with some good logical thinking and then found the two remaining scum. MVP of that game for sure (I helped)
So although its kinda weird for him to have a town read on me this early if you look at last game it gives some perspective. Also why would Zentor hard defend a townie as scum. It doesnt make any sense. However if we have town Zentor defending someone he has a strong town read on then it makes sense.
Those two townie lynches were definitely Hapa's fault....
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On January 13 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 13:25 MrZentor wrote:On January 13 2013 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Rofllllllll. MrZentor.... this guy is fucking hilarious. Ill let you do you. Cousins lol.
On regards to the Zentor pressure. I would check the past game British Mafia.
He had a town read on me early he had town reads on most people. But it was weird he was convinced i was town. Then as we played more i realized that i was getting to understand his play more and had a town read on him.
But when he helped mislynch two townies my read flipped and i thought that he must be scum cause he was so positive of his town read on me and it freaked me out. He hard defended me the whole time just cause he had a good read on me being town. So I wanted to lynch him cause i thought he was scum for knowing my role. But as it turned out he was town made me change my read with some good logical thinking and then found the two remaining scum. MVP of that game for sure (I helped)
So although its kinda weird for him to have a town read on me this early if you look at last game it gives some perspective. Also why would Zentor hard defend a townie as scum. It doesnt make any sense. However if we have town Zentor defending someone he has a strong town read on then it makes sense.
Those two townie lynches were definitely Hapa's fault.... Hapa didnt even vote in the first one T_T Need i quote "HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM"
Yamato, the scum, was going to hammer him, regardless of whether I encouraged him or not.
Actually, Xatalos, I think Occam's Razor says he's town.
It doesn't make sense for scum to act like that; it's most probable that he's town.
That's the simplest solution, Occam's Razor.
What do you think of that?
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What, I can't play devil's advocate?
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You really need to play more newbie games if you want to lynch me because I pointed out Xatalos's faulty reasoning.
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On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting.
I've specifically stated several times that I don't have a town read based on how much he posts; my town read on him is based on the aggressiveness of his posts and the motives behind them. I've even gone into detail more than once on my read on him. Please read more carefully.
On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O @ MrZI don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement. @ SupersoftHave you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him. Also, please reply to my previous post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=6#119Regarding XatalosHis interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced: Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now.
I actually have a null read one Kush. I was simply pointing out Xatalos's terrible logic and misuse of Occam's Razor.
On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.
Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.
For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.
Super, are you town?
Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?
Jay, what's your read of zentor?
Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.
I've already been mildly helpful, so I don't know why you would ask that question, unless you hadn't really read the thread and just wanted to make it look like you were doing something.
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On January 13 2013 23:54 supersoft wrote:
ey zentor, do you admit that a townread based on that one post is extremely suspicious.
regardless of your real alignment, especially if youre town, i want your honest opinion!
I would agree that somebody having a town read on Kush based on that one post would be strange, and if that happened it should certainly be looked into, but I don't see it as something scum would do.
It can be dangerous for scum to have a townread on a townie, because later in the game, when there are several confirmed town, scum sometimes have difficulty finding people to push for a lynch; the scum will have to pretend to transition from a town read to a scum read on that person, which can be particularly difficult to fake.
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Supersoft, rather than merely saying, "mhm no. I don't agree. That's not true at all.", could you give a decent explanation as to why you feel that way?
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On January 14 2013 01:07 supersoft wrote:
It's not going to get us anywhere Zentor. You just stupidly defend yourself. I expected a certain answer and I wanted to follow that up with another line of thoughts, but i see that i cannot work with you. Consequently, I just end our conversation.
So you expected me to say that defending Kush based on one post was scummy? But because I disagree with you, I am stupidly defending myself?
You're inferring that your opinion on the matter is right and mine is wrong; if that is so, show me why my reasoning is wrong and give an explanation of your own stance.
You can hardly say I'm "stupidly defending myself" when I give an explanation for my stance, especially when you give none for yours.
That's pretty hypocritical.
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MrZentor
"Super, Jay is town. -.-" scumslip ?
is the older cousin. defend is naturally - how does he know he's town, is still the question
says he can read jay because of one post of his --
wrong thought about what scum does and what not.
confuses kush and jay even though jay is his cousin?
1. I already explained why it wasn't a "scumslip", so why are you bringing this up again?
2. My thoughts on what scum do or don't do allowed me to catch both scum last game. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's wrong.
2. How do I confuse Kush and Jay?
3. Don't worry, people probably won't sheep you, if anything, you're sheeping Thrawn on Sloosh.
A lot of what you say makes people scummy or town is either not alignment indicative or it is alignment indicative, but you think it think it indicates the alignment that it doesn't.
For instance,
grush57
I am town. +
"How do you know?
scum with supersoft hmm?" ++
Saying "I am town." is something both scum and town often do; if anything, scum are more likely to do it. (Defending themselves before anybody attacks them.)
thrawn2112 more like pink
- refused to say he's town
"yes, i wonder this as well" lol. yeah sure. i dont buy it.
"it'd be fun to be a scumteam again, skyping was more fun than posting in the real thread in that game" - pointless ---
"no/yes of course, duh"
-votes sloosh
good case on sloosh. ++
Refusing to say he is town draws more attention toward him, scum don't like attention; this makes it more likely that he's town than scum.
There are a lot of things like this in your case, but it would take a long time to show each one and tell you why it's wrong.
You seem to think you're a mildly competent scumhunter; how many times have you either lead a lynch on a scum or were the first to accuse them seriously? Can you cite any specific examples?
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I am serious. 
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+ Show Spoiler +1. You thought Wiggles was scum, but you also had a lot of other suspects; there was bound to be one among them. You really never pushed Wiggles too seriously, always asking VE to shoot him. 2. Good 3. Good
I just wanted to see what your experience is; there's no reason to get angry. :p
I just don't see how you can think I'm scum, and I'm pretty sure Thrawn is town.
Though I will admit Sloosh has a decent chance of being scum.
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WBG, why would scum post
On January 13 2013 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fyi i dont read megacases, so keep that in mind.
k this is my last intro post.
Next time I post it will be telling you who i think is scum.
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On January 13 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
dont see the scumslip at all read his filter twice lol.
One day I will win your approval somehow though because I think your name is so awesome.
He does look hella scum tho. Defending EVERYONE for no reason.
##vote mrzentor
On January 13 2013 12:59 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah but you defended him from so many different angles that it seemed like separate people.
On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz
other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row
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On January 14 2013 03:59 Hapahauli wrote:
@ MrZ
I thought you were null on Kush? Why are you defending him?
I'm not defending him; there are certain aspects of his play that I don't see as scum motivated, and I was wondering if WBG had considered this.
Actually, if I were defending him, why would you question that? Why wouldn't you assume I had gone from being null on him to town? Why would you question me for defending him?
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And I still don't see how defending my younger cousin is considered a "scum slip" in Supersoft's eyes.
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As town he throws his vote around a lot, but this game he hasn't?
Is that it?
Not very convincing..
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On January 14 2013 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 05:04 MrZentor wrote:
As town he throws his vote around a lot, but this game he hasn't?
Is that it?
Not very convincing.. Nope. Try again.
He says he would lynch me and then later admits to not having anything useful to say?
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Annoyed that your mislynch left? :p
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But I think SS is town. 
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