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On January 15 2013 02:20 slOosh wrote:
Hopeless can you give me your thoughts on Prom's play this game?
He has asked a lot of questions and generally follows them up. They don't appear to be useless and he seems to have read British Empire, which he didn't play in. He's going out of his way to interact with people, like asking you (sloosh) about xat's play in Paranoia, which again he didn't play in or me about my "policy", as discussed in an obs qt. In short, he's active and paying attention, pursuing information from outside of this game where possible.
His "swapping" his stance on Xata was deliberate and pre-meditated to me, as evidenced by his post here:
On January 14 2013 10:36 Promethelax wrote:
'my side' of this issue is the same as yours. I find Xata scummy, I jsut wanted to get better reads on both you and hapa and your targeting fo Xat was a great way to do it.
In paranoia Xat is wishy washy and terrible but he is also very try-hard, as he was in british. He I'm not getting that same vibe here and I am happy to lynch him today. My short list of lynchables (like lunchables but with more murder) are Xatalos, Ruuch, SuperSoft and another dude. We'll talk about him later.
Further to the above, I don't recall him ever taking a proper stance on Xatalos until this post.
His unvote of SS is sketchy, especially what Hapa pointed out, with the unvote reasons having nothing to do with the initial voting reasons. His case against Lazer, and followup to that are much stronger than his push against SS, which makes me wonder if his heart was ever in pushing SS to begin with.
I'm leaning town on Prom.
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Thrawn, that is very demotivating. You're hurting my feelings. The last time that type of post happened, grush shot me in the back. Please stahp.
@Lazer, I don't think your case on jay shows how what he's done is scummy. Show me.
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On January 15 2013 03:01 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 02:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Thrawn, that is very demotivating. You're hurting my feelings. The last time that type of post happened, grush shot me in the back. Please stahp.
@Lazer, I don't think your case on jay shows how what he's done is scummy. Show me. You don't think that being non-commital, not giving out a single scum read with the exacption of an OMGUS case is alignment indiactive? He is wish-washy with his comments about several players and avoids to take a clear stance. And what about my two other points Hopeless, you dodged them...
Who's scummier, me or jay?
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Okay, then go figure out how to convince me jay is scum, because at the moment, I am not convinced.
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On January 15 2013 03:18 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 03:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
Okay, then go figure out how to convince me jay is scum, because at the moment, I am not convinced. Do you not agree with the reasons I gave for him to be scummy or do you not agree with given reasons to be scum indicative?
I don't think your non-committal reasons are scum indicative of jay. If you can demonstrate otherwise, I'd love to see it. His filter being different than hero mini only means that his filter is different, not that it is scummy. OMGUS is not a scumtell to me.
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On January 15 2013 07:24 MrZentor wrote:
Hey WBG, you talked about nobody being worthy enough to be defended by you, but you've been defending Prom pretty hard all game.
Can you explain?
Examples please. I disagree with your statement.
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On January 15 2013 07:27 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 15 2013 07:24 MrZentor wrote:
Hey WBG, you talked about nobody being worthy enough to be defended by you, but you've been defending Prom pretty hard all game.
Can you explain? Examples please. I disagree with your statement. Yo, the guy you are leaning town on is set to be lynched. What are you doing?
Im poking Zentor for misrepresenting wbg's filter.
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On January 15 2013 07:31 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 07:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 15 2013 07:27 slOosh wrote:On January 15 2013 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 15 2013 07:24 MrZentor wrote:
Hey WBG, you talked about nobody being worthy enough to be defended by you, but you've been defending Prom pretty hard all game.
Can you explain? Examples please. I disagree with your statement. Yo, the guy you are leaning town on is set to be lynched. What are you doing? Im poking Zentor for misrepresenting wbg's filter. Yea ... because that's the most important thing before one of your town reads is gonna get lynched.
If I can show him to be scummier than Prom, then yes, that would be rather useful. ZENTOR, HOP TO IT
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Dat HARD defending from bugs, eh?
On January 15 2013 06:53 MrZentor wrote:
In other news, why have you been hard defending Prom all game, WBG?
Instant backtrack, I dont even...
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KILL LAZER MONKEY SO SCUM OMG
There, I've hard defended every other player in the game. Gratz
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Better than Prom
##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: Ruuch
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On January 16 2013 12:56 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 12:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Welp. This is a lot to digest right now. I'll have to sleep on this some and see what I come up with tomorrow.
Between Hopeless and WBG, who do you think is more likely to flip scum? I think lynching hopeless today is the correct play as four of us (Hapa slOosh WBG and iamp) have good scum reads on him.
You are, all four of you, retarded.
My response to the apathy for the lynch: no one seemed interested in talking to me, and I'm generally far more active when I'm about to die. Thrawn saw fit to shit on my Prom read with:
On January 15 2013 02:51 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 15 2013 02:20 slOosh wrote:
Hopeless can you give me your thoughts on Prom's play this game? i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum On January 14 2013 10:36 Promethelax wrote:
'my side' of this issue is the same as yours. I find Xata scummy, I jsut wanted to get better reads on both you and hapa and your targeting fo Xat was a great way to do it.
In paranoia Xat is wishy washy and terrible but he is also very try-hard, as he was in british. He I'm not getting that same vibe here and I am happy to lynch him today. My short list of lynchables (like lunchables but with more murder) are Xatalos, Ruuch, SuperSoft and another dude. We'll talk about him later. i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum i think he's town i think he's scum I'm leaning town on Prom.
and neglected to respond when I asked him directly about my supersoft scumread. Clearly he doesn't (or at least didn't) care much for what I have to say.
SlOosh, you asked me why I wasn't pushing my own read, but its not like I could have stopped you from voting Prom. The whole point of that exercise was to question my motives, not to see if I had anything new to contribute. Hapa is next to impossible to reason with, and when was the last time you saw grush respond to any form of logic? Attempting to get Lazer lynched when Prom was afk and super didn't give two shits (hell, he swapped onto a townread) wasn't remotely possible, and if you honestly believe I had a chance in hell, please tell me what you are smoking.
Prior to Ruuch mucking up the thread, these were the votes on Prom:
Slightly Modified Votecount
Cakecount:
Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (6): slOosh, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos
Lazermonkey (3): Promethelax, Hopeless1der, supersoft
MrZentor (1): wherebugsgo
wherebugsgo (1): Lazermonkey
Not Voting (1): Ruuch
Currently, Promethelax is set to be lynched!
~1.75 hours left until the deadline.
PM me or CC if I dun screwed up the count.
Remember - you must vote!
The Final Votecount:
Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft
Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax
Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der
I'm more inclined to believe bugs and Ruuch(Lamp) are town, so right now my choices to vote are Lazer and SlOosh, and possibly Hapa for no other reason than his vote was in scummy places.
sidenote, I find it funny that I'm everyone's scum buddy and now you're all forced to "bus" me.
On January 15 2013 09:05 Lazermonkey wrote:
Meh, told you so...
In response to Prom's lynch. Yeah he told us, just like I did, right? Except I never tried to blame the thread or take credit for my read of Prom.
##Vote: Lazermonkey
Going to bed in like 10 minutes.
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On January 17 2013 00:29 iamperfection wrote:
*-/-*
@ Hopeless
You said people had their votes in scummy places can you be more specific on the who and the why.
Hapa especially had his vote in scummy places. Assuming of course that you are town, he swapped off of his scumread onto an unknown for policy like reasons. Super was the one who had to put his foot down and say fuck you all, we kill the guy we were going to kill. I don't think Ruuch was scum, so swapping off Prom (town) onto Ruuch (I think town) looks really scummy to me. Hapa fits that bill.
People that voted for Prom are scummy(ier) than others because we know Prom was town. We know Prom and Super were initially on Lazer, as was I. This makes the probability that scum were on Prom's wagon much higher.
Lazer's vote was off in a corner on wbg. He didn't really have a better place to put it I suppose, as he was the counter-wagon, but he stated a townread on Prom and did nothing to prevent his lynch other than laugh and then blame the thread. His reasons for voting bugs were poorly defined and his vote felt like a throw-away, simply because he had to vote.
Bugs' vote was on Zentor, until Ruuch showed his face. Bugs didn't do much to stop the Prom lynch, other than trying to get Ruuch at the last minute. This move puts him under suspicion, same as Hapa, but based on the night conversations, I believe only 1 of SlOosh and wbg are scum. I'm not discounting the possibility that both sloosh and wbg are scum, but it seems far less likely, and I think sloosh is more suspicious (/sheep bugs).
Jay afk'd so his vote was left on Xata.
My reasons for continuing after Lazer are that I know 3 townies (and only 3 townies) were on him all of Day 1 (so was bugs for a short while). I consider it unlikely that scum ignored a wagon like that unless Lazer is scum. This is obviously in addition to my assertion that he failed to demonstrate why jay was scum in his case and subsequently took to attacking me/my case against him, instead of fleshing out his case like I asked (repeatedly).
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On January 17 2013 01:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Supposing you're town, hopeless:
Would you be down to lynch slOosh? For the record I'd be willing to lynch into any of slOosh/LM/grush/Zentor, my priority being that order.
Yes I would. I'm not willing to lynch grush though, I'm dumb enough to believe in his STARSENSES.
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Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?
Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?
@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available?
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On January 17 2013 09:51 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?
Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?
@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available? Ill answer these. I think both of you voting for Ruunch was stupid. It was a dumb wagon. He is a completely new at this game. Doesn't know what hes doing. His late vote was completely a null tell. He doesnt know whats scummy and whats townie. He has never had experience playing this game before. He probably felt a bit overwhelmed (hence why he later quit.) So my question to you is why did you vote Ruunch? Also Ziggler why did you decide to vote SlOosh over say WBG or LM or Hopeless?
I asked the questions in that manner because my reasons were completely different than Hapa's. I was doing what little I could to save Prom, short of blowing up at the thread and calling everyone stupid, which seems to be the go-to response these days. Hapa on the other hand has been touting his scum-Prom read and all of the sudden feels its a good idea to go after Ruuch as a policy lynch. I won't deny it was a stupid wagon, but I felt it was a better to lose him than Prom. I didn't read Ruuch as scum, I read him as expendable, in comparison to Prom. Hapa trying to equate our votes as being equally scummy:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Bugs, how do you go from: On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.
slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.
##unvote
##vote slOosh to On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.
I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless. @Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII? Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively. In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=52#1022Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town. Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself.
is a massive load of bull. I appreciate your efforts to put words in my mouth, like my "implied" super strong town read of Prom, while simultaneously disregarding Question the First.
Furthermore, the "assume you're town" was specifically TO iamperfection because he asked me to explain myself. Are you going to jump down his throat for this post?:
On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?
If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.
Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town.
Or does he get a free pass because he was speaking about himself?
Anyways, it seems I need to look towards self-preservation
##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: SlOosh
On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless?
Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread.
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On January 17 2013 10:29 slOosh wrote:
You guys just gonna let hopeless skate by making a case on lazer and dropping it whenever he feels like it? He is gonna make it to lategame like that.
Hopeless, in your own words, what about me is scummy? Or are you purely looking out for yourself and you don't care about my alignment?
You're pressure on me when I was commenting on Zentor, and subsequently using it to paint me as scum is my primary motivator in calling you scum. I do not believe there was any sufficient action I could have taken to adequately steered Prom's lynch onto anyone else and you insisting I should have tried harder, when there are multiple players who fit that bill irks me.
There's also the night interactions with wbg. I'm not dissecting that discussion. I think you look scummier than bugs and I think there is at least 1 scum between the two of you. That is enough for me at the moment.
On January 17 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless? Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread. who what where when and why?
Ruuch afk's most of the day, shows up, drops a vote on Prom. Gives a meaningless post that is almost guaranteed to get him into trouble. We almost last-minute voteswitch him. He subsequently replaces out. I have a hard time believing that as scum, he would have both read the thread, allowing him to generate this post:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2013 08:52 Ruuch wrote:
Alright, since I've been lurking for most of day 1 I thought I'd quickly chime in before the vote to shed some light on where I currently stand. (I'm on my phone/tablet/thingy so I'll have to keep this relatively concise, sorry)
First things first; I do not currently have a strong opinion on who might be scum. In fact, from where I'm standing, it looks like most of you are so busy bickering amongst eachother in what I can only describe as a childish manner that I feel pretty much any one of you lot could be scum (hopefully that didn't come across as too judgmental or preachy, that was not my intent, honest!). Granted you could easily just chalk that down to my inexperience in the game.
Now I know no one likes to listen to advice from a newbie but, in order to make my post remotely useful/constructive, hear me out. Scum like chaos and disorganization right? It's easy for them to hide in it and to further their own agenda. So try to keep your posts clear and to-the-point. Say what you have to say and don't engage in useless arguments.
I guess that about covers it. Again, sorry if that came across as preachy or "holier-than-thou".
##Vote Promethelax
and at the same time NOT have his team yelling at him OMG Y U SO LURKY? in the qt. I also WIFOM'd this post from you into you actually being town because I really wanted to know Ruuch's alignment when Prom flipped, with the potential that scum were just lolling all over the place:
On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?
If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.
Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town.
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On January 17 2013 11:09 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2013 10:29 slOosh wrote:
You guys just gonna let hopeless skate by making a case on lazer and dropping it whenever he feels like it? He is gonna make it to lategame like that.
Hopeless, in your own words, what about me is scummy? Or are you purely looking out for yourself and you don't care about my alignment? You're pressure on me when I was commenting on Zentor, and subsequently using it to paint me as scum is my primary motivator in calling you scum. I do not believe there was any sufficient action I could have taken to adequately steered Prom's lynch onto anyone else and you insisting I should have tried harder, when there are multiple players who fit that bill irks me.There's also the night interactions with wbg. I'm not dissecting that discussion. I think you look scummier than bugs and I think there is at least 1 scum between the two of you. That is enough for me at the moment. LOL, like you are busy doing anything else right now. Put your money where your mouth is. Name the actual players culpable, and why you complain that I call you out but have no problem not calling the other players out yourself.
I'm not trying to get them lynched. The specific players are irrelevant, their existence is what matters here.
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On January 17 2013 11:19 iamperfection wrote:
i like hopeless less now and sloosh more
sloosh is calling out bullshit from hopeless
hopeless is doing nothing but throwing vague suspicion with no purpose
## unvote
##vote hopeless
What was vague and why does it serve no purpose?
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On January 17 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:
why would you ever not want to be clear with who you think is scum? i could see town reads but scum?
Sloosh, LM, Hapa
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