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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:17 GMT
#170
@ Thrawn

Speaking of "are you serious," explain this:
On January 13 2013 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
grush is scum imo
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:20 GMT
#174
On January 13 2013 10:19 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 10:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:14 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:06 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:04 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:57 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ MrZ

[quote]

How serious are you about this read right now? Like I understand Jay is being spammy right now, but that's not a reason to call someone town. That's how I was wrong on yamato for a while last game.


Eh, 86%.

You should be thankful I'm not as bad at reading people as you. :p


His spaminess aside, what do you think about his RNG lynch thing? That stuff is normally not scummy by any means, but the fact he's been pushing Kush on the side (then proposes an RNG lynch on Sloosh) is very questionable.


How so?

If anything, those actions have made him seem more townie in my eyes.


It reads like he doesn't give a shit about who gets lynched.


It reads like he is frustrated with Kush's attitude and thought it would be fun to try something new to generate activity.


He's pushing kush because he thinks kush is scummy. Case in point:
On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 13 2013 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow I was going to try hard this game but then prome said what he said now I have to play like shit just to spite him.
~~~
On January 13 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
If Kush goes retard in this game I'll just modkill him

I'll have no qualms about that.

Define full retard.
I will not play illegally that is all I can promise.


The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure.

Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is.

You can step it up, Or get lynched your call.



He says Kush LOOKS scummy, not that he is.


Yeah so what? He's pushing kush because he thinks kush is scummy, and not out of simple frustration. The difference between "LOOKS" and "IS" is irrelevant in that regard.


No, he isn't even really pushing Kush.

In that post, Jay is threatening Kush, telling him that if he doesn't play well, Jay won't be afraid to lynch him.

Jay saying "You look scummy as it is." is a way for Jay to show Kush that it wouldn't be difficult to lynch him.

Which is why he said "look" instead of "are".


Well we can agree to disagree on the interpretation, because I don't see what you see.

I still want to hear his answer to things.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:22 GMT
#175
Woah woah woah waoh.

@ Hopeless

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think Grush is scum. You said he "didn't make the correct answer," but exactly what type of answer would you expect from a "town" Grush in that situation? Especially to a random early-game accusation of all things?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:24 GMT
#176
DAMNIT I SAID I WOULDN'T SPAM
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:33 GMT
#184
On January 13 2013 10:29 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:19 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:14 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:06 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:04 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:
[quote]

His spaminess aside, what do you think about his RNG lynch thing? That stuff is normally not scummy by any means, but the fact he's been pushing Kush on the side (then proposes an RNG lynch on Sloosh) is very questionable.


How so?

If anything, those actions have made him seem more townie in my eyes.


It reads like he doesn't give a shit about who gets lynched.


It reads like he is frustrated with Kush's attitude and thought it would be fun to try something new to generate activity.


He's pushing kush because he thinks kush is scummy. Case in point:
On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 13 2013 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow I was going to try hard this game but then prome said what he said now I have to play like shit just to spite him.
~~~
On January 13 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
If Kush goes retard in this game I'll just modkill him

I'll have no qualms about that.

Define full retard.
I will not play illegally that is all I can promise.


The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure.

Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is.

You can step it up, Or get lynched your call.



He says Kush LOOKS scummy, not that he is.


Yeah so what? He's pushing kush because he thinks kush is scummy, and not out of simple frustration. The difference between "LOOKS" and "IS" is irrelevant in that regard.


No, he isn't even really pushing Kush.

In that post, Jay is threatening Kush, telling him that if he doesn't play well, Jay won't be afraid to lynch him.

Jay saying "You look scummy as it is." is a way for Jay to show Kush that it wouldn't be difficult to lynch him.

Which is why he said "look" instead of "are".


Well we can agree to disagree on the interpretation, because I don't see what you see.

I still want to hear his answer to things.


I don't know; it looks as if you purposely took it out of context, just to make Jay look scummy. :/

In other news, I'm going to start putting
in all my posts, to make it difficult to quote me.
[/QUOTE]

I don't think I took it out of context. Hell why are you hard-defending someone barely 3 hours into the game? Sure you have a town read on him, but how can you be this sure so quickly? Do you really think Jay is completely incapable of doing what he just has done as mafia?

Secondly, I'm never going to really get a grip on Jay's alignment until I have a discussion with him. It's possible that you're right about all of this, but I want to hear from Jay and make a decision from that.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:34 GMT
#185
I hate you and your quote tags MrZ.

+ Show Spoiler +
jk <3
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:35 GMT
#188
On January 13 2013 10:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On January 13 2013 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Woah woah woah waoh.

@ Hopeless

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think Grush is scum. You said he "didn't make the correct answer," but exactly what type of answer would you expect from a "town" Grush in that situation? Especially to a random early-game accusation of all things?

Telling you would be like locking the key inside the padlock. I find grush to be ungrushlike and I think its scummy. Kinda sucks that thrawn finds out issue with that, but I'll be putting an explanation together when I'm back at a computer. I could also be talking out of my ass because I snapped at something from memory, but again I'll explain at the latest in 14ish hours depending on how tired i am when i get home.


Well do be prepared to explain this, because it does look like your'e talking out of your ass rather than a rational read.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:36 GMT
#190
/facepalm

Thrawn... please... please play this out seriously. Please.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:42 GMT
#195
On January 13 2013 10:39 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't think I took it out of context. Hell why are you hard-defending someone barely 3 hours into the game? Sure you have a town read on him, but how can you be this sure so quickly? Do you really think Jay is completely incapable of doing what he just has done as mafia?

Secondly, I'm never going to really get a grip on Jay's alignment until I have a discussion with him. It's possible that you're right about all of this, but I want to hear from Jay and make a decision from that.


Saying that Jay was pushing Kush is definitely taking his quote out of context, whether you realize this or not.

I'm am almost certain he's town. Yes, it is possible for him to do this as scum, but it's extremely unlikely he'd be able to.


I get that you think Jay is town based on his spaminess, but 3 hours is far too small of a sample size to make a meta judgement. If he keeps this up, I'll be inclined to agree with you. For now, I want to hear his answers, because I'm pretty sure I"m not taking him out of context.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:43 GMT
#196
@ Grush

As for hopeless, not sure what to make of him right now. He does apparently have some reasoning to vote you tucked away, and I want to see that before I make a judgement on him.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 01:56 GMT
#198
On January 13 2013 10:48 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 10:42 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 10:39 MrZentor wrote:
I don't think I took it out of context. Hell why are you hard-defending someone barely 3 hours into the game? Sure you have a town read on him, but how can you be this sure so quickly? Do you really think Jay is completely incapable of doing what he just has done as mafia?

Secondly, I'm never going to really get a grip on Jay's alignment until I have a discussion with him. It's possible that you're right about all of this, but I want to hear from Jay and make a decision from that.


Saying that Jay was pushing Kush is definitely taking his quote out of context, whether you realize this or not.

I'm am almost certain he's town. Yes, it is possible for him to do this as scum, but it's extremely unlikely he'd be able to.


I get that you think Jay is town based on his spaminess, but 3 hours is far too small of a sample size to make a meta judgement. If he keeps this up, I'll be inclined to agree with you. For now, I want to hear his answers, because I'm pretty sure I"m not taking him out of context.

----EDIT-----
And now you're misrepresenting me. Believe it or not, I don't judge if somebody is town by how much they post; I am also not reading Jay based on meta. I'm reading him from his actions and their motives. Also, I don't see how how you think you're not taking him out of context. -.-
----EDIT----


Oh hm actually you are right. He has a second post with the quote:

On January 13 2013 09:15 jaybrundage wrote:
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On January 13 2013 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Jay I'm curious, what is scummy about my entrace?

You setting your self up to do scummy shit all game. You dont come in say. Im gonna play like shit.

Because when you do play like shit and do scummy stuff all game its harder to call you on it. Cause you can claim BUT I SAID I WAS GONNA PLAY LIKE SHIT DERP.

The biggest part of it tho. Is that i think its a dick move and I dont like your approach to the game.


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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:00 GMT
#199
WELP. On his behavior so far, Jay does seem rather townie.

Anyway MrZ, talk to me about Ruuch a bit. You have your vote on him, and he did respond to it some. Do you make anything one way or the other of his recent posting?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:04 GMT
#203
On January 13 2013 11:02 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jay

Please answer my question. Why are you pushing Kush out of one side of your mouth, then proposing a Sloosh RNG lynch out of the other? It reads a lot like you don't give a shit about who dies.


Well I just didnt like Kushs post it rubbed me the wrong way way play detrimental on purpose. Does it make him scum? No.

But it does make him anti town as fuck again I why put up with bull shit like that. If you dont address it upfront people try to get away with shit like that. I stated this in my reply to Xalatos.

Also as to the RNG lynch exactly what i stated It was to create discussion. I heard a vet mention it and decided to try it out. I mean I state in the post its for discussion. Seems like your nitpicking hapa.

And while i was writing this you discovered the post to Xalatos. zzzzz


Fair enough. Though at this stage of the game, discussion seems to be going well enough to not have to resort to a random-lynch or other discussion-generating plays. There are several interesting things to discuss right now. In particular, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on Hopeless, as well as the pressure on Grush at the moment.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:08 GMT
#205
@ Thrawn

I know you're lurking about somewhere. Get in here and explain these voting shenanigans of yours.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:24 GMT
#215
On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:

-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless


Hopeless really never explained his reasoning about Grush though. So you think/thought Grush is/was scum for gut-feeling or something?

So why would you pick Hopeless as scum? You voted him earlier, but you also changed your mind about it.

##unvote

Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.

A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.


Regarding super, he did kinda peace out on this activity love-boat of ours =/

I know you played in a scum-team with him in LVIII - does this seem like a similar behavior pattern for scum-super?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:38 GMT
#221
On January 13 2013 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:24 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:

-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless


Hopeless really never explained his reasoning about Grush though. So you think/thought Grush is/was scum for gut-feeling or something?

So why would you pick Hopeless as scum? You voted him earlier, but you also changed your mind about it.


I wouldn't pick hopeless as scum, unless it was out of the two of them. Hopeless just came away from the situation more scummy than grush. My "grush is scum imo" post was not all that serious but was based on me noticing an apparent difference in how grush is playing now than how he plays is town. The only problem is that it's actually a somewhat more townie way to play, lol.
...


Why did Hopeless come away more scummy from things?

Also, is Hopeless your top scumread at this stage?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:51 GMT
#226
On January 13 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hopeless comes away more scummy because if I look at each player objectively, without meta, and not thinking about them omgusing each other, hopeless is scummier. meta is a dumb reason to have a strong opinion on who to lynch, and hopeless actually seemed completely serious about wanting to lynch grush. his "wrong answer" post was strange as you've pointed out and "what would be the right answer" was the same question I thought about as soon as I read hopeless's post. no, he's not my top read. that title probably goes to xatalos/super. as I said, my thoughts on grush/hope have somewhat been reset back to null.


Regarding the bolded, if you were more concerned about Xatalos and Super, why would you feel obligated to "pick a side" on the Hopeless/Grush thing?

On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
...
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless


It reads as really forced. If you're leaning null on them, why would you even bring something like this up?



fml if this is to be yet another incarnation of thrawn and hapa spamming at each other


As always as always.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:56 GMT
#229
On January 13 2013 11:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hopeless comes away more scummy because if I look at each player objectively, without meta, and not thinking about them omgusing each other, hopeless is scummier. meta is a dumb reason to have a strong opinion on who to lynch, and hopeless actually seemed completely serious about wanting to lynch grush. his "wrong answer" post was strange as you've pointed out and "what would be the right answer" was the same question I thought about as soon as I read hopeless's post. no, he's not my top read. that title probably goes to xatalos/super. as I said, my thoughts on grush/hope have somewhat been reset back to null.


Regarding the bolded, if you were more concerned about Xatalos and Super, why would you feel obligated to "pick a side" on the Hopeless/Grush thing?


because my thoughts on xatalos and super came after my thoughts on grush/hopeless lol

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
...
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless


It reads as really forced. If you're leaning null on them, why would you even bring something like this up?


because you asked? o.0


Oh did I? Well shit >>
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 02:59 GMT
#230
Oh wait no I didn't. I asked you to explain your voting shenanigans, but you did the whole "If i HAD to pick one" thing of your own volition.

Anywho, that's an interesting bit on Xatalos you have there. Reading through his filter.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 13 2013 03:12 GMT
#237
@ Thrawn

Regarding Xata, he just seems to be questioning posts that he doesn't understand. I can't draw anything meaningful from his filter yet. He also got mislynched in Witchcraft for being wishy-washy and talking in generalities, so I have some hesitancy when it comes to him.

@ Kush
On January 13 2013 12:02 kushm4sta wrote:
hollly shit hapa i really dislike your back and forth questioning style. It spams a lot and it makes it really hard to read closely and look at filters. It also makes it hard to read the game closely.
I have really bad reading comprehension (sparknotes through education ftw) so it's extra hard for me.


Useless comment is useless.

The last time you were useless in the early-game, you were scum in WItchcraft.
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