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On January 14 2013 01:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Fuck I had such a good start. Got shrinked and medic'd night one and prevented myself from being turned scum.
I got EVERYONE to believe I was medic for a while.
Too many cycles, so hard to win
I didn't think you're the medic. I knew jieXiann was medic all along. He helped me after all
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srsly, I had this won like 90%, the only thing I had to do for me to win is NOT HIT THE FUCKING LYNCHERS TARGET in the 6 player scenario....
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you lynched the jester, good job
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On January 14 2013 02:01 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 01:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Fuck I had such a good start. Got shrinked and medic'd night one and prevented myself from being turned scum.
I got EVERYONE to believe I was medic for a while.
Too many cycles, so hard to win I didn't think you're the medic. I knew jieXiann was medic all along. He helped me after all Then why did he believe me over you during night one, or did he protect you n1?
oh let me reprhrase: I knew it once n1 was over.
I was PRETTY certain you'd forward my pm's to people so I posted this:I'm the fucking Yak.
I pm'ed you, iamP and Dandel the same thing to see what's going to happen. I said I'm only lying 33% because I was really targeting one of you and I sure as hell shot you. I did not convert someone.
So here's the plan. I don't know wether you want to help me but I'm pretty sure a medi would not risk targeting someone else and instead just targets himself. So I'll be shooting someone who's not you and I'll be converting someone who's not you.
If you are the medic you protect me I'll survive and I'll convert you the next time leading to a 3mafia vs 3 other people scenario. to make sure the shrink knows I'm not going to convert you.
Shot gonzaw n3 on purpose because I thought he's the PGO and wanted to find the PGO before I kill people.
Again, only thing I had to do to win this is not shoot the fucking lynchers target... it's hilarious.
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wait wait wait. I didn't shoot the lyncher's target.
HOLY CRAP CLARITY. WHAT ARE YOU DOING
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On January 14 2013 02:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wonder if this setup is improved by adding one more town role so that a no lynch isnt forced, giving scum infinite time to figure stuff out.
the 5 player situation is already crucial like you just saw...
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SERIOUSLY I DID EVERYTHING CORRECT AND STILL LOST BECAUSE OF THIS BULLSHIT?
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i still can't believe this just happened... why did you lynch the jester 
Why did you claim to be a VT when you aren't clarity...
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On January 14 2013 02:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Toad is mad because I took a chance while playing to my wincondition? I had to get gonzaw lynched, I knew there was a really big chance he was pgo so he wasn't gonna get nightkilled. THIS WAS MY ONLY CHANCE WHY YOU RAGIN AT ME
because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating.
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On January 14 2013 02:13 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Toad is mad because I took a chance while playing to my wincondition? I had to get gonzaw lynched, I knew there was a really big chance he was pgo so he wasn't gonna get nightkilled. THIS WAS MY ONLY CHANCE WHY YOU RAGIN AT ME because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating. I knew what was going on, you can ask palmar, I sent him the list of every role during n1 or n2 (don't remember) I played to my wincon all the way
you had me down as mafia?
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On January 14 2013 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Toad is mad because I took a chance while playing to my wincondition? I had to get gonzaw lynched, I knew there was a really big chance he was pgo so he wasn't gonna get nightkilled. THIS WAS MY ONLY CHANCE WHY YOU RAGIN AT ME because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating. I played to my wincon. Sadly, shrink wincon is pretty much dependant on winning with town. Makes it hard. Jie played most anti-wincon imo. proteced you converting SOMEBODY ELSE, then STILL protected you shooting the PGO. Like, wat. I also stopped you convert, so I'm actually good. Even tho it was for wrong reasons.
well he didn't know I can only convert once a game. And I actually didn't know either or I would have converted him n2 instead of clarity...
It was like being hit by a truck when Palmar told me I can't Yak anymore
The point is: Noone was able to win this with knowledge of what was going on anymore besides me and the jester won because town fucked up royally
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On January 14 2013 02:17 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:16 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:15 syllogism wrote:
With instant majority lynch you have to unvote immediately in lylo after receiving new, possibly meaningful information, I don't understand why you would just leave your votes lying around like that. You were both here. What new information? Toad claiming mafia and his night actions?
it wasn't actually new. I already claimed that days ago in pm's to him and he kept on saying "lol you're lying, come back to me when you tell the truth and we might talk. It's just your usual hypno-Toad trying to make you the most important person in the game when you're not"....
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On January 14 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:18 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Toad is mad because I took a chance while playing to my wincondition? I had to get gonzaw lynched, I knew there was a really big chance he was pgo so he wasn't gonna get nightkilled. THIS WAS MY ONLY CHANCE WHY YOU RAGIN AT ME because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating. I played to my wincon. Sadly, shrink wincon is pretty much dependant on winning with town. Makes it hard. Jie played most anti-wincon imo. proteced you converting SOMEBODY ELSE, then STILL protected you shooting the PGO. Like, wat. I also stopped you convert, so I'm actually good. Even tho it was for wrong reasons. well he didn't know I can only convert once a game. And I actually didn't know either or I would have converted him n2 instead of clarity... It was like being hit by a truck when Palmar told me I can't Yak anymore The point is: Noone was able to win this with knowledge of what was going on anymore besides me and the jester won because town fucked up royally Town fucks up or they don't. Isn't that every mafia game in existence?
yeah, that's my point. If town had tried to figure out people's roles they would have realized they already lost the game and I thought it would be going into forced night because with 5 people alive:
2 people who want to lynch mafia
1 guy who wants to lynch jester
1 guy who wants to lynch pgo
1 guy who wants to NL
a lynch should just not have happened...
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On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants
that's A LOT of ifs and it makes no sense. Never occured to you that I knew I already won if everyone plays to their wincon (with full information, which wasn't given, I know) and I just had to make sure everyone gets full knowledge to make everyone realize what's going on?
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well Dandel... you kept on telling me I'm lying all the time when I didn't (besides the "I can convert multiple people").
There really was no reason to assume I'm the jester. Should have just told everyone I'm going to shoot JieXiann prior to deadline instead of just iamP but with my luck this game I was too scared to actually hit the lynchers target to do that...
Probably still would not have been enough to make people realize I'm mafia...
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On January 14 2013 02:32 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:31 syllogism wrote:On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote:On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants Why would mafia want to lynch jester? Or does this scenario assume iamp yakked toad the jester? In lylo jester yak joint win
lylo was like 2 turns away.
The only way for me to win was
PGO vs Mafia vs Jester
Jester & Lyncher count towards "town" in mafias wincon
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On January 14 2013 02:34 gonzaw wrote:Can we all just blame the loss on jiexian? 
I don't think he played bad actually. The only thing he did wrong was not realize that I can only yak once. And even without that it would have turned out the same way.
I had gonzaw down as PGO like 95% and only shot him on n3 to make it a 100% call. So even had he not protected me I'd still have shot him because medic can't protect himself...
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On January 14 2013 02:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Nah toad you also coulda won (in this setup) with Mafia + lyncher + pgo (since pgo is lyncher target) Did you get my pm right before the game ended? Show nested quote +Okay, I need you to read this and not react yet in the thread since I haven't thought it through.
I am the lyncher, my target is gonzaw. You can't get lynched this cycle and you can kill dandel, then no lynch again and you can kill iamp (jester) then we lynch gonzaw and we win together.
yeah I could have. But there's no way to figure out the lynchers target by hard facts. So that would have been an incredible betting game. Joining forces with the Jester was possible no matter what and as already said, a mathematically won game...
No I didn't get that pm in time. Wouldn't have mattered though, because it was on gonzaw and Dandel to unvote the jester and not on you.
Also I don't think I would have trusted you. Again no way to confirm your target and if I bring you into lylo you could just as well be lying and it's PGO + VT vs mafia whereas lylo with jester is a win for me and jester, so no reason for him to stab me in the back either.
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oh I used ghost as a blog dumpster this game (rarely), to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass post-game:
most importan one:
Just to make this clear for postgame (yes I'm using you as a blog-dumpster ):
I did not intend to be an ass towards anyone, especially not towards JieXiann but I have to to somehow be able to win this
I really did not know that I can only convert one person per game and have to make JieXiann think that he'll be shrinked tomorrow to make sure he protects me although I can't help him to win anymore
Oh and I've got to shoot some asses and not hit the PGO...
that was after I realized I didn't read the OP either. So sorry for that one but had to play to my wincon
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