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Days should be 48-72 hours. | ||
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I completely disagree. We have time, and we should use it. If you're town, you shouldn't have motivation problems finding scum. If we end up going for like 5 days or something, I'd sympathize with this, but 3-4 days is completely standard in every insta-lynch game I've played (atleast on Day 1). Forcing ourselves to abide by some arbitrary lynch deadline is pretty much the worst thing you can do. We have time, and we should use it. It is easy to overuse it to the point that we're harming ourselves. There is a correct amount of time required to make a decent lynch. If we decide now that days should be at least 72 hours, I'm afraid certain people (like you) will feel the need to lengthen a particular day, just for sake of having more time and abiding by this rule, even though it doesn't really help us. If you're town, you shouldn't have motivation problems finding scum. That's simply not always true. Many times a townie will stop hunting because nobody else is receptive to their ideas, they feel they found scum but everybody is too obstinate to listen to them. This is just one example. There is a plethora of reasons for why a townie might not have motivation to find scum. I'd sympathize with this, but 3-4 days is completely standard in every insta-lynch game I've played (atleast on Day 1) I don't really care what's standard. We should lynch when we as a whole feel ready to. It's stupid to wait extra time, just to abide by the "standard." | ||
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We should instead have guidelines. 48-72 hours | ||
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But don't tell anybody. | ||
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ShiaoPi pulled a BH. | ||
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It's unlikely that scum will want to have the final vote on somebody, because it will put them under a lot of scrutiny. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 07:23 Xatalos wrote: Sorry for the late entrance, but I warned about this pre-game :/ Anyways, there are a couple of players whose posting I haven't liked so far: MrZentor Additional discussion time benefits town and damages Mafia. Mafia's agenda is to stall discussion and create confusion - both of these goals are achieved by faster lynches where less players can offer their opinions. From my point of view, the above post is pushing Mafia agenda. This post basically repeats what was already said in the previous post... Plus some obvious setup talk that anyone could post, no matter their alignment. It's quite unnecessary to mention that his "faster lynches plan" is a guideline and not a strictly enforced rule. Who would have thought so in the first place, really? Another post that doesn't fit into town agenda. Regardless of the trollish appearance, this post actually gives MrZentor more breathing room if he just joins a bandwagon without good reasoning later on. He told he would do so after all, didn't he? More fluff... So far there's nothing townish in MrZentor's filter, and too much useless/anti-town stuff to be overlooked. If he's town, he needs to change his playstyle completely. If he's Mafia, he needs to continue on his current path and convince us he can't be town. Mr. Cheesecake Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far. jaybrundage This is his whole filter. It's certainly... lacking, for a lack of better word. First he speculates a bit about blue roles, then gives a list of vague of his policy opinions, then leaves. It's just all too vague and pointless for my liking. What's up with this lack of effort, interest, anything really? Some players have been very active so far and it's definitely a good theme in this game. But some players (like these 3 above) have done practically nothing, even if they have posted. That should be some reason for concern to anyone. Additional discussion time benefits town and damages Mafia. Mafia's agenda is to stall discussion and create confusion - both of these goals are achieved by faster lynches where less players can offer their opinions. From my point of view, the above post is pushing Mafia agenda. Up to a certain point, additional discussion time benefits town, obviously. But a lot of people seem to think that more time is ALWAYS good for town. They don't realize that after a certain point, not being able to lynch somebody, because of all this extra time, hurts town. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's pushing Mafia agenda. K? This post basically repeats what was already said in the previous post... Plus some obvious setup talk that anyone could post, no matter their alignment. It's quite unnecessary to mention that his "faster lynches plan" is a guideline and not a strictly enforced rule. Who would have thought so in the first place, really? What post? This post? On January 04 2013 11:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Haha that's hilarious. Still, we can't judge anything based on him being a smurf. Not really going to dwell or speculate on it further. Another post that doesn't fit into town agenda. Regardless of the trollish appearance, this post actually gives MrZentor more breathing room if he just joins a bandwagon without good reasoning later on. He told he would do so after all, didn't he? I didn't say I would join a bandwagon with any good reason. I said I would be the final vote in the lynching of somebody. And scum wouldn't make a post like that. The easiest thing for them to do is recycle reasons while adding a few pointless one of their owns for joining a bandwagon. Also, mafia wouldn't want to have the hammer vote. | ||
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Well, I'm not really sure how MrZentor is so easy to read... I'm having extreme difficulties reading him. And I've played with him in two games before too. It shouldn't be too hard to fake some joke posts, right? Especially with his general low activity and lack of any content. 1. I make myself so easy to read by doing a lot of things mafia would be hesitant to do, things that are so obviously scummy that mafia have a lot of difficulty actually doing them. Look at the first day in Witchcraft Mafia for an example. 2. I get more active and generally create more content as time goes on and town gets more information. Again, I'd like to cite Witchcraft Mafia as an example. How many times have you been scum in forum mafia, Xatalos? | ||
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1)Hapahauli 2) MrZentor 3) Mr. CheeseCake 4) Xatalos 5) jaybrundage 6) DarthPunk 7) yamato77 8) RiseAgain 9) ShiaoPi | ||
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And what do you think of Xatalos? | ||
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Lurking is fucking shit, even more so in this setup. If you lurk that will make me want to lynch you. The thing that is hurting this game the most right now is lurking. So why are you not saying anything about lurking? In fact the only time you have 'pressured' people is when another player first comments on them. Shiao Pi with Riseagain and myself with Yamato. That is quite distinct to what you did in witchcraft for example, which was push people on your own regardless of the positions of others, make a strong case and ask people to judge that on it's merits. Posts like these make me think he is town. He's one of the more difficult people to read, so I think it would be best to wait a day before lynching him. | ||
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I meant this post (which I quoted): What was the post that I repeated? | ||
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And from what I see, before my post, people wanted the day to be longer than 72 hours. You still haven't quoted the post that you say I repeated.. This post basically repeats what was already said in the previous post... Plus some obvious setup talk that anyone could post, no matter their alignment. It's quite unnecessary to mention that his "faster lynches plan" is a guideline and not a strictly enforced rule. Who would have thought so in the first place, really? | ||
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Whatever. | ||
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I thought Xatalos was scum, but now I think he's town. -.- So..no. :/ | ||
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I knew that all the posts in which he was making excuses for why he couldn't post later on could have been scum motivated and probably were, but I decided to ignore it at the time. Those posts and you thinking he might be scum have made him a null read. | ||
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On January 05 2013 14:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Anyone read Mr.Z's comment about "I'm easy to read because I do stuff scum never would do!" To be scummy as fk? Exactly! Would scum post something that obviously scummy? | ||
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Reading people like this will give you a lot more town reads than scum reads, but in a game like this, being able to find town is nearly as helpful as finding scum, because it makes finding scum much easier by narrowing down the pool of suspects. | ||
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Just think of his rage. XD | ||
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I want more information. | ||
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Go ahead. | ||
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Afraid to comment on himself. Probably scum. | ||
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On January 06 2013 11:29 jaybrundage wrote: Btw zentor who do you want to lynch. Plz anyone just give a name at least if you cant give a case. My idea is that we enact a new policy lynch called. Lynch Useless Mutha Fuckas called LUMF :D Ahem also wouldn't mind LUMFing CC That or we can just lynch a lurker zzz How would you guys feel about lynching a lurker then? We have four confirmed townies so far. MrZentor, Hapa, DP, and Jay So I'd be fine with killing any of the others really. I just want to get to the second day already. | ||
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And your definition of what's "scummy" is really messed up. | ||
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Mr. CC + Show Spoiler + He's probably town, and there are two main reasons for me to think that. 1. He's carefree and open, especially during the opening of the game. On January 04 2013 12:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mr.Z we're masoned you dummy. ShiaoPi obv scum right? On January 05 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hey yeah yeah yeah Hey yeah, I said HEY! What's going on?! Home from my shift and such. Reading the shitfest that is DP-Hapa (kind of sounds like a porno) interaction atm and catching up. Questions, people, questions. Anyone? On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now? 2. Two of the other suspects targeted him early in the game. Although it is possible one of them was faking this aggression, it is unlikely, because of all the risks that come with it. If the scum faking aggression toward Mr.CC gets lynched and doesn't do a good job of faking it, then it will be obvious that Mr. CC is scum with him. On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote: Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said? Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target. CC is scummy. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Mr. Cheesecake Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far. From Xatalos. It is possible that he is scum with ShiaoPi, but I find this unlikely considering his early game behavior. Yamato + Show Spoiler + His early game play seems a lot like an earnest, noobie townie. On January 04 2013 16:41 yamato77 wrote: I'm not sure how the logic is strange. You told me it was difficult to think in IRC because there was no time. You advocate making longer, more thought out decisions in this game because of the instant lynch mechanic. I don't know why you guys think this is a big deal. On January 04 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote: What is disproportionate responsibility? I think there's plenty of reason to give the hammer more look than other votes. It is the act of making the decision to lynch someone, it makes the player into the executioner. The use of the hammer vote is perhaps the most important thing in this game. You said so yourself and now you seem to disagree with me? Why? On January 06 2013 00:06 yamato77 wrote: I will admit I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I should. Honestly my vote on CC was to get a better read on him. Up to that point I thought he was a bit scummy so I figured his reaction to me voting for him out of nowhere might reveal to me his alignment. It turns out it didn't, but some of the things he has said since then have swayed my opinion. I'm fairly confident in Hapa being town, so as far as active scum I don't think there are any. Jay is the only one I would question because his posts have a quality that makes them seem quiet, almost like his opinion isn't something to be valued. Is he scum trying to stay under the radar or just a weak townie? No I'm much more inclined to think a scum lies between Mr Zentor and Rise. Zentor hasn't contributed much besides a lot of setup talk and town reads. His filter is low content, low profile, very much like I think the scum are this game. Rise simply hasn't posted much since the beginning if the game and it is starting to make me question his motivations. Also, the way he pushes me makes me think he's a noob townie. I would expect newer players to think I'm scum, because of a lot of the things I do are obviously scummy. On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote: Mr Zentor He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch. Xatalos + Show Spoiler + He is pretty uptight, but he makes some good points in his massive cases; he and ShiaoPi are equally likely to be scum. Well, for starters, I think you're most likely town. I can't believe a Mafia would outpost everyone in the thread and engage in every possible topic. Does that make DarthPunk Mafia in my eyes? Not really. I agree with many things he says, and his filter just reads fairly townish to me - this post for example: In any case, I'm pretty satisfied with your responses. Your counter-arguments to my (pretty weak) arguments for your scumminess are what I'd expect from a townie: calm, collected, reasonable. Combined with Hapahauli's recommendation to wait on you, I don't see you as a good lynch at the moment. Welcome, Z-Boson! I'm glad you're being very townish and contributive so far, which means we have one less player out of the lynching table (I didn't like lynching RiseAgain either, but this is a much easier judgement than that). ShiaoPi + Show Spoiler + Either he or Xatalos is scum, I'm not sure which. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum, considering how they both made cases on why the other is scum. He parks his vote on a lurker. On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier. @Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now. I want to see more from RiseAgain, so ##Vote: RiseAgain get in here and do something please! But he also waffles over Xatalos, which makes me think he could be town. On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts. First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier. I am interested currently in these people: yamato Xatalos MrZ yamato: There are many things which would probably be me reiterating stuff that was mentioned (discrepancy in behaviour as hapa said). Not being really present, throwing votes around with little reasoning. But that can be explained by his lack of time due to RL business. could really use more analysis and reasoning from him. Xatalos: I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. That is because he is hesitating a lot, laying out a lot of his thoughts in the thread and therefore opening himself up for harsh critique if he changes his mind and posts it. His lack of any stance is alarming though. While it is somewhat just his playstyle (IIRC) I still dislike it a lot, I mean day 1 has been going for quite a long time now already, while we did not get more information through lynching there is still a lot of content to search through and find something. MrZ: He is useless, which is stupidly just his meta with the lightheartedness he has shown. I don't like useless people but cannot condemn him based on this. Actually I started this post with wanting to lynch into Xata/yamato preferrably yamato but now that I am writing those reads feel just unsatisfying...There is nothing really much that distinguishes one option from the other. I am reluctant to lynch yamato since he seems legitimately busy, also relcutant to lynch Xata for just playing as he does (same goes for MrZ). Somehow this day 1 has not been really productive >_> Who we should lynch. + Show Spoiler + I don't know which one we should lynch, but I know what we should do if each one is lynched. .....................................Xatalos.................................................................................................Shiaopi............ ................................../.....................\........................................................................................./..........\............ ........................flips scum..........flips town..................................................................flips scum.....flips town........................... ...........................|............................|............................................................................./...............................\.................................. ......find scum partner..............lynch Shia.....................................................lynch MrCC..............lynch Xatalos-.flips.scum ..... ................................................../............\....................................................../..................\..............................|........................| .....................................flips town......flips scum.............................flips scum............flips town...........flips town.......find scum ....................................|.................................|.....................................|............................|........................../.......................partner ...start suspecting people......................lynch MrCC....................win..............start suspecting people.................... ...like Hapa and Boson............................/...............\.........................................like Hapa and Boson ..........................................................flips scum.......flips town........................................................................................... ........................................................./............................|................................................................... ....................................................win...................start suspecting people..................................... ............................................................................like Hapa and Boson..................................... | ||
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And people who push for my lynch are almost always scum. :/ idk | ||
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##Unvote: Hapahauli ##Vote: Yamato | ||
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The person I want to lynch is probably the person I'm voting for. And Hapa, you never answered me. Can we lynch somebody today, plleeeeeeasssssee? | ||
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Yamato is as good a lynch as any. | ||
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He isn't scum. | ||
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But CC and I are cousins. I know how to read him, and trust me, he's town. | ||
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And I don't. | ||
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##Vote: Xatalos HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM | ||
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lolololololol | ||
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If I were lynching somebody like Hapa, then you would be right in being frustrated with me. | ||
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On January 07 2013 10:48 jaybrundage wrote: Im most annoyed that Zentor didn't really care about who he was mislynching. Frustrating imo. We had unlimited amounts of time to get scum. But instead cause hes impatient he wants to push things along and lynch a townie. I almost wanna policy lynch him cause i hate his meta so much The day lasts until a majority is reached. If enough time passes without a majority being lynched, I will post in the thread and state a deadline for a no-lynch in order to prevent horrible 3-week-long days where nothing happens. | ||
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Xatalos was one of my top two scum read. | ||
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The fact that you're suspicious of me means you're either a stupid townie or a bad scum. Either way it's funny. | ||
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On January 08 2013 07:47 Hapahauli wrote: If I may bitch a bit... A townie's primary goal is to scumhunt. Acting "cute" is fine and dandy, but you're forgetting the part where you're supposed to find scum. The night is when you party. Day is for scumhunting. | ||
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RIP and all that. | ||
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A) 1 Ungrateful Rebel Cell, 1 Foreign Saboteur Network, 1 Royal Navy, 1 Oxford University, 5 Loyal Colonial Governors C) 2 Ungrateful Rebel Cells, 1 House of Parliament, 1 Oxford University, 5 Loyal Colonial Governors | ||
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Or after a little while of nobody claiming to have been roleblocked, We'll which one it is. | ||
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He was a perfect alternative to Hapa, because the scum knew that if there were a doctor, the doctor would surely protect Hapa. This make Z Boson a safe kill for night one. And his entrance and excuse are scummy. | ||
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Not your original entrance. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:39 Z-BosoN wrote: Omg, how the fuck is his chart off the wall townie?? I mean, that's PERFECT for scum to invest their effort, isn't it? It's easy as fuck to make,I could make one in like 10 min. It's much harder to actually scumhunt and interact with other townies. It accomplishes NOTHING for town. That's like textbook XXX. His comment on me is scummy by itself, but how he fails to interact to my prodding is waaay more. Seriously, look at the goddamn interaction: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 08:38 Z-BosoN wrote: This post reeks of bad assumptions. You are saying that if I was town, scum would surely shoot me over hapa, and if I were scum, there is no one but hapa to shoot? Am I missing something? If my entrance was scummy, why are you pointing it out? As for my excuse, answer me this: On January 08 2013 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote: EBWOP on the red bolded part. Right now as in, why now and not before? This makes little sense, because if you had really found it scummy, then a) you would have mentioned it as town and b) you would have not put me in the same category as hapa in this post: On January 08 2013 09:05 MrZentor wrote: Z-Boson, I meant your entrance after the lynch. Not your original entrance. On January 08 2013 09:07 Z-BosoN wrote: Well that's a plus. Answer the other questions please. lol That's what I was about to say. XD | ||
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And your other question wasn't worth answering. | ||
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We could lynch somebody right now. c: | ||
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On second thought, let's wait a few days before killing the wrong person. | ||
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So probably Yamato and ShiaoPi. | ||
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Hapahauli MrZentor Mr. CheeseCake Most Probably Town jaybrundage DarthPunk I Hate to Think He's Town, but He Probably Is Z-Boson Scum yamato77 ShiaoPi It's pretty simple. | ||
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On January 08 2013 15:11 jaybrundage wrote: Also I noticed something about my town play. This is bad btw. I almost feel ashamed to admit it. But when I dont have much suspicion on me I kinda die in activity. So Hapa just prod me if i start becoming inactive. On January 08 2013 13:48 jaybrundage wrote: DP how do you feel about a Shaiopi lynch i think his stark inactivity could hurt us whether hes scum or town? On January 09 2013 05:30 jaybrundage wrote: Well this is interesting... I actually don't think this claim was to bad of an idea. If we dont get any counter claims. Iimm happy with it. It may mean that im a bad scum hunter but it always is great to have more or less confirmed town. Time to go shift thru some filters. Can mafia hold KP or decide not to shoot? | ||
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1. Too genuine. 2. Doing something that is obviously scummy, purposely putting self in spotlight. 3. I just liked this post. | ||
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50% chance of there actually being a doctor 25% of there being a cop (Which means the cop knows there is no doctor.) | ||
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I knew you were probably town from you sharing all your reads, but there's no harm in making sure by putting you under a little pressure. You should be happy I'm adding you to my list of confirmed townies. (YaaaYYAAYYYYyyaayyy) | ||
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It's getting kind of obvious who the scum are. | ||
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That leaves two out of ShiaoPi, mrZ, yamato and jay. I don't know why you'd keep two obviously townie players in there. | ||
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I know you're town, but wasting your time accusing me, even though quite a few other townies KNOW I'm not scum, is foolish. Go pressure somebody who is actually scum. | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:18 Hapahauli wrote: Well on behavior, the most obv scum player here is Shaio. I'd ideally like to NOT RUSH THINGS again though and wait till he comes back and/or 48 hours expires. Fine. I already know who the scum are, so I'll probably not post again until you guys are ready to lynch. Also, do something about Z-Boson; he's Eywa all over again. | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:16 Z-BosoN wrote: They are not obviously town. You are taking very weak tells and making them very strong, whilst ignoring many aspects of his play. You are closer to obviously scum to me. They aren't weak tells; they're posts scum would never make. Yes, I'm ignoring many aspects of his play, because many aspects of his play don't actually tell me anything about whether he's scum or not. They just aren't important. Just the fact that you think I'm scum proves that you're the one "taking weak tells and making them very strong, whilst ignoring many aspects" of my play. On January 09 2013 07:21 Z-BosoN wrote: I trust my own reads, and saying how everybody knows you are town is not the way you can deal with my case against you. You shouldn't trust your reads. Trusts Hapa's. All the things in your case are things you think a scum would do, but they aren't actually indicators of if somebody is scum, so there's no point in responding to your case. I tell you that everybody knows I'm town to show you that you're wrong and wasting your time. | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote: Speak of the devil, just the man I wanted to see. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Finding the two scum by process of elimination isn't exactly nothing. + Show Spoiler + Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. I agree that you're an easy lynch, but that's only because you're bad as scum. Also, I have plenty of justification. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. I feel like I could answer most of these by quoting the post in which I show why Yamato and ShiaoPi are scum. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. Na, I'm confirmed to intelligent townies, but it's difficult to see why I'm obviously town when you're scum. That's an intended side effect of my play. It's makes it easier to catch scum. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. Is it bad that I laughed at this question? XD Please excuse my dear friend Yamato77. He's just angry because I know he's scum. And he couldn't find a decent target to attack to make it look as if he's a productive townie. Which is why he chose me. Bad choice. | ||
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I'd like to delay the lynch. Watching Yamato struggle as scum is hilarious. XD | ||
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Sure, I'm one in your eyes, whatever; who else do you suspect? Who do you think is the other scum? + Show Spoiler + This is going to be good. | ||
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I can just wait for town to realize he's scum. I mean, who else could they lynch but scum? Everybody else is pretty obviously town. Except maybe Jay, but I'll make sure they don't lynch him. | ||
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He can pretend to think I'm scum, but he can't find anybody else to. He has run out of targets. + Show Spoiler + LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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I think this is him claiming scum. | ||
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That's absolutely insane. | ||
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I guess he's not reading. That might explain it. | ||
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Jay and Z-Boson, especially with their last few posts, have definitely proven themselves to be town. When we kill either Yamato or SP, and he flips scum, will you lynch the other before Jay or Z-Boson? That's all I want. | ||
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Yamato is clearly scum, so is ShaioPi. Nobody was killed last night. We can take one risk. (If you consider lynching scum while his scum buddy is gone a risk) PLEEAAAAAASSSEEEEEE | ||
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On January 09 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote: I'd have to give some filters a look but I'll wait for him to do something first because I've put plenty of effort into this game so far while he's done nothing. Kill this scum. pl0x | ||
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And I'll show you why they're obvi town. Then, you will lynch Yamato. K? | ||
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You would risk spending way more time than necessary playing a mafia game that I already solved. Perspective is everything. | ||
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amirite? Also, Hapa. On January 09 2013 10:18 Hapahauli wrote: Under no circumstances should we be lynching anyone until Shaio posts or gets replaced/modkilled. We can kill Yamato, right? | ||
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Hapa, since Shiao was replaced, can we lynch him now? | ||
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This is getting ridiculous. | ||
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On January 09 2013 10:40 Dandel Ion wrote: I'd totally lynch yamato. Other scum most likely Zbo. On January 09 2013 10:50 Dandel Ion wrote: I did follow pretty closely up to... uhm night 1? or so then I kinda stopped. still read it casually tho I'm a bit tipsy atm, and not fully caught up, so I don't wanna vote pplz yet. Feel free to hammer him in the meantime if your so eager. I'm just gonna post the notes i did so far straight. I did em for me tho, so if ya dont understand something, jsut ask :/ | ||
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Also, give me a name. + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2013 10:31 MrZentor wrote: Hapa, give me the name of somebody who could possibly be scum besides Yamato and ShiaoPi. And I'll show you why they're obvi town. Then, you will lynch Yamato. K? | ||
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Please. Trust me. Vote for Yamato.  | ||
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And it's frustrating. + Show Spoiler + I don't love you anymore | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:16 yamato77 wrote: You're not supposed to let out our secret MrZ. See, that's the point. If we talk about it casually like this, they'll think we're joking. Now there's no way they'll ever suspect that we're scum trying to bus each other. | ||
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This is the best solution really. If I weren't playing like this, Xatalos wouldn't have been the first lynch. | ||
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I was planning on killing Yamato first, but recently Dandel has been spamming the thread with FIVE posts in a row. And it's getting kind of annoying. | ||
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On January 10 2013 06:21 jaybrundage wrote: Hey Zentor Thoughts on the posts between dandel and me and Zbo and dandel? Dandel's scum. On January 10 2013 06:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Yea dandel is scum. There are two things he's accused me of saying and is not gonna be able to quote them. I love it when scum don't bother reading and are desperate to bullshit. mr.Zentor, buddy boy, how have you been? + Show Spoiler + I'm onto you. I've been pretty good. + Show Spoiler + Not once have you ever explained why you think Shaio is scum, nor have you ever attempted to pressure him. Process of elimination. I have a pretty strong town read on everybody except Yamato and ShiaoPi(Dandel) | ||
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In Witchcraft Mafia, if I wasn't able to convince people DYH was scum within the 48 hour day, he wouldn't die. I had to actively push my scum reads. In British Empire Mini Mafia, the days only end when a lynch has occurred. Because of this mechanic, all I have to do is make sure that when we lynch, we lynch one of my scum reads. I can passively push my scum reads and still be successful, due to the mechanics of this game. I hope that explains my change in play. | ||
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He just doesn't know how to read me. Also, he doesn't realize he doesn't know how to read me. Which is kind of annoying. | ||
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On January 10 2013 07:07 Z-BosoN wrote: But you are rushing the lynches here. You really wanted to lynch yama, but now people are going away from that lynch. You really seem to think he's scum, so why aren't you passively pushing yama? You're setting yourself up with two choices, yama and dandel, but you were waaaay more insistent with yama. Only when the thread changed to dandel did you really want to kill him. Why are you so indifferent? You never had "top two" scumreads in WC.. Yama and Dandel are both scum. Sure, I wanted to kill Yama first, but if other people want to kill Dandel first, that's fine. Obviously I'm indifferent as to which one dies because they're both scum. In Witchcraft Mafia, DYH was pretty obviously mafia, so I had one scum read. In this game, I had a much easier time finding town than scum, so of course I would discover the two scum at once through process of elimination. I don't see why me having two scum reads as opposed to one is important to you? | ||
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On January 10 2013 07:10 Z-BosoN wrote: I thought you said you loved it :'( And I don't know if I know how to read you or not yet, I'll only find out once you die :/ Or once the game ends. And as long as Hapa is alive, it's unlikely that I'll get lynched. | ||
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On January 10 2013 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote: Cause in WC you specifically stated that you liked focusing on one scum read at a time: At here you have been making connections since day one. Yeah, I just said that because Eywa was being stupid and I wanted him to stop. | ||
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Jay is just as strong a town read as everybody else is TO ME. But a lot of people think he's a shady character. Which is why I said that he isn't obviously townie. Which is also why I said that I might have to stop you guys from lynching him. | ||
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##Vote: Dandel | ||
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Let somebody else hammer him. | ||
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Especially when he's obviously town? | ||
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We have an excellent candidate. | ||
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I've waited a whole 24 hours AFTER ShiaoPi was replaced. | ||
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@Yamato My read changed after the process of elimination. I have done a bit of sheeping I admit, however I do kinda agree with Zentors reads of the town regardless if he can be occasionally trolly. He didn't really go into why he thinks I'm town, but I don't think that's important. So Hapa 1) Why is it important if Yamato explained why he thought I was town? 2) Can we please lynch Dandel? | ||
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And we're over anyways. + Show Spoiler + Me and Jay for LIFE | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:08 Hapahauli wrote: Kinda sick of the "lynch NAO" stuff. I'll vote him when I feel like it. Then answer this. 1) Why is it important if Yamato explained why he thought I was town? | ||
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I'm more certain of him being town than anybody else tbh. And you can trust me because Hapa knows I'm town. | ||
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We have to keep playing in mafia games together until that happens. One day... | ||
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What's up? | ||
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I thought we were cool? | ||
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Just kill this fool. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Funny. How many mislynches can you push for no reason until people see you're scum, I ask you? We'll see about that. Ermm...two? Maybe? Or three? I don't know; there are too many variables. Like when Hapa catches on to the fact that I'm playing differently than last game. :/ | ||
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You're pretty blatantly playing against your win condition if you don't. | ||
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MR CC | ||
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I WAS GOING TO STEAL THE HAMMER VOTE ##Vote: Dandel | ||
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Can I see your credentials? | ||
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Because you don't misread me. If you say I'm scum and I'm not, I know you're scum. And obviously everybody will lynch me over you, and scum will win. <3 Ya Hapa | ||
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On January 10 2013 11:24 Hapahauli wrote: It's not a joke. You've been pushing mafia objectives all game. You've been refusing to scumhunt, and settling for "process of elimination" lynches. And are you going to claim this is my new scum meta? Pushing mafia objectives doesn't mean I'm scum. And I think a town Hapa would realize this.. | ||
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If I'm scum, who's scum number 2? | ||
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You all want me to prove that Yamato is scum, but you guys can't prove that I'm scum. All you can say is. "Errr, I think I remember him doing something that might help scum, soooo HE MUST BE SCUM." | ||
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On January 10 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Jay. Possibly Yamato if double bus. Blatantly saying I'm partners with Jay would be far too risky. And the second theory is just as stupid. | ||
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On January 10 2013 11:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: WIFOM. Die tomorrow please unless you can convince me of your Yamato - Z-BosoN theory. Just because it is WIFOM doesn't mean it isn't useful for proving I'm not scum. I would explain why, but you can just read through my Witchcraft Mafia filter for an explanation. c: On January 10 2013 11:40 Hapahauli wrote: Very simple MrZ - scumhunt or die tomorrow. I'm not putting up with this crap anymore. And, if I were scum, that's exactly what I would do. I would pretend to scumhunt. But I'm going to do something much, much more difficult. I'm going to not post, at all. I'm going to resist that temptation. Because a scum would, before getting lynched, spam the thread with their "scumhunting" in a desperate attempt at not getting lynched. I'm going to prove I'm town by trusting your choice of a lynch, something a scum would never be able to do. I think you (deep down) know I'm town, so I would suggest you lynch Yamato. I hope you make the right decision, Hapa. | ||
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Yamato, Z-Boson How's that for scum hunting? I thought you knew I was town. XD If what I've done already hasn't proven that I'm town to you, nothing I can do will. You want me to scumhunt in a style that I can't. | ||
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Also, Hapa, why are you making me do this? Finding scum is sooo easy, but it takes a lot of work to prove that they are scum. And I hate work. >.< You should just trust me. | ||
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And this post I'm writing is taking a looong time. -.- | ||
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Couldn't you have waited a few hours? | ||
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As town our main priority is to hunt scum. Unfortunately, we have had some trouble doing this successfully, so I'm writing this to show how I'm going to hunt scum in this post and why it is more accurate than how we have been doing it by explaining the mindset of scum. Also, knowing how scum act enables us to find other townspeople. The way we've been scumhunting is exactly how we shouldn't be scumhunting. We've established a certain set of arbitrary rules and said that anybody who breaks these rules is pushing scum's objectives and is therefore scum. The problem with this is that scum can still easily push their objective(staying alive while lynching townies) by obeying these rules. Scum can easily win by simply waiting for a frustrated townie to break one of these arbitrary rules, lynching said townie, and waiting for another townie to do the same. So if we want to actually want to find scum, we should look back over the thread and try to find people who have been careful to not break any of these rules so that they would remain out of the spotlight. Some of the Arbitrary Rules Townies Created in This Game (And why they're stupid) + Show Spoiler + -A longer day is always better for townie than a shorter one. Anybody who says different is pushing mafia agenda and is probably scum. (It's a fact that townies will lose interest over time if we make the day too long. Would having a two year day be good? No, because all the townspeople will have forgotten about the game by then. This just proves that there is a point at which having more time in a day is detrimental to town.) Also, it is extremely easy for scum to say that they want a long day. -Having indecision over who to lynch or saying that they would be fine with lynching anybody in a certain pool of suspects is clearly scum behavior. (Scum can pretend to have as many or as few suspects as they want, but townies have much less control over who they want to lynch.) -Not having a lot of "content" in their posts is a sign that somebody is scum.(It's extremely easy for scum to ramble on about why person x is scum; townspeople, on the other hand, have to actually find somebody they believe to be scum, which can be difficult, especially during the first few days. I.E. It's easier for scum to create what you guys consider "content" than town.) -There are a lot more, but I think you get the point. The main job of a scum is to survive. A lot of people seem to think that scum have to actively push their objectives to win, but that isn't true. By staying alive, scum is hurting town. Scum stay alive by hiding in plain sight; each of their posts has to be written carefully, because if they accidentally break one of arbitrary rules or do anything to stand out, they're going to get lynched. They have to always be on guard. (We've been lynching people who have stood out, but the scum are in the group of players hiding in plain sight.) Scum do not want to associate with each other; they only do it when necessary. Any interaction between them has to be faked, and, if they do it poorly and one of them is lynched, then the other will soon be lynched also. Interaction is risky, and scum hate to take risks. If you see prolonged interaction between two people that seems genuine, they are either town or exceptionally good scum players. Because of this behavior, there are two important things you should look for when deciding whether somebody is scum or town. ..-Is this person trying to blend in with town?Yes=Scum, No=Town ....-Are they being careful to not break any of the arbitrary rules? ....-Are they always going after popular lynch targets, while never bringing up any controversial lynch target? ....-Are most of their posts them rambling on about why a certain person is mafia, while never bringing up new points? ..-Are their posts genuine?Yes=Town, No=Scum ....-Are they ever brutally honest to somebody or themselves? ....-Do they joke or always seem at ease? Now that we've learned how to differentiate town from scum, let's put it to use by determining the alignments of Jay, MrZ, Yamato, and DP. (Yaayyayay!!) Jay Jay is a (kind of nooby) townsperson who has a lot of genuine posts; he makes a few cases to try to get his point across, but he also spends a lot of time joking. Some of his genuine posts. On January 08 2013 15:11 jaybrundage wrote: Also I noticed something about my town play. This is bad btw. I almost feel ashamed to admit it. But when I dont have much suspicion on me I kinda die in activity. So Hapa just prod me if i start becoming inactive. On January 07 2013 10:48 jaybrundage wrote: Im most annoyed that Zentor didn't really care about who he was mislynching. Frustrating imo. We had unlimited amounts of time to get scum. But instead cause hes impatient he wants to push things along and lynch a townie. I almost wanna policy lynch him cause i hate his meta so much Some of his posts where he jokes, proving that he isn't afraid of town. (Like scum would be.) Zentor has given me second thoughts by posting a post that wasnt completely shitty :D Good job Zentor .On January 07 2013 06:01 jaybrundage wrote: UGUGGGHGH Your terrible at your job hammer man On January 07 2013 08:18 jaybrundage wrote: WOAHAHAHHAHH I Dont like this at all...... like da fuck.... It seems to be moving way to fast all of a sudden. Although he really isn't that useful to town, Jay is far too genuine and carefree to be scum. And I like him a lot. <3 MrZentor Here's my filter from my last scum game. In this game, I actually tried to emulate my town play, but I simply couldn't. I was always afraid to post and joke, and without even realizing it, I followed the arbitrary rules that town made up in that game. Here's my filter from my last town game. Here's my filter from this game. Which two are the most similar? Yamato There are two main reasons for why Yamato is scum. 1) He is far too serious. He never jokes; he doesn't have any genuine posts. He plays exactly like a scum surrounded by a group of people who could kill him at any moment, extremely cautiously. Unfortunately, I can't quote his lack of genuine or non-serious posts, so here's his filter. I dare you to try to find any genuine or non-serious post. 2) His reasons for attacking me and Xatalos's lynch. Look at these post from Yamato. On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote: Mr Zentor He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch. On January 06 2013 18:06 yamato77 wrote: Apathy about who is lynched, less scum hunting than Xatalos, less reasoning posted than Xatalos, more trollish nature to his posting. Plus he's advocated the idea that we should limit our discussions in favor of making a decision on a lynch which is a scum favored idea. This is textbook scum behavior. He says that I am scum because I broke the following arbitrary rules created by town: 1) Making the day as long as possible is good for town, anybody who says otherwise is scum. 2) Not posting content means you're scum. 3) If you don't know who to lynch (which will come across as being apathetic), you're scum. But Yamato, like the good little scum he is, was cautious and didn't break any of these rules. Then he kills Xatalos. On January 07 2013 08:11 yamato77 wrote: It seems like other people are seeing what I saw in Xatalos with his case in Shiao and vote on CC. The dude doesn't really care where he votes, he gives weak justifications and has continually changed his reads over the course of the game on a moment's notice to fit his agenda. It's enough for me to see him hang. ##Vote: Xatalos That's fine and all, I had a scum read on Xatalos myself, but look at how he responds to the pressure on him cause by Xatalos's mislynch. On January 08 2013 06:00 yamato77 wrote: I think I made it abundantly clear why I wanted to lynch Xatalos. Contrary to DP's idea of him not changing his play to suit town's opinion being a town tell, I found it frustrating and ultimately scummy. Perhaps I was overly emotional in my decision to hammer him but I was fairly convinced he was scum. I voted after Zentor even though I have been suspicious of him because he wasn't the hammer vote like he said he would be. Everyone else seems to find him fitting his town meta so I thought he might actually have thought Xatalos was scum for the reasons I did. Apparently this as not the case because his reaction to the lynch was to downplay the fact that it was a mislynch. Obviously I was correct in my read of Zentor not caring about who he lynches. I thought that because he wasn't the hammer that it meant he actually had a scum read on him but apparently he just wanted to see a lynch happen. I'll be on for the next seven hours or so sporadically. First he says that not caring about what town thinks of you is scummy. *facepalm* Then he says "Well, I thought MrZ was town, so I sheeped him, but Xatalos ended up being town, so I guess that means MrZ is scum and he doesn't care who he lynches." He says I don't care who I lynch, even though I didn't even lynch anybody. HE DID -.- Also, Z-Bo is scum, but I guess I can prove that after we kill Yamato. I was going to also contrast how Jay and I interact, and how Yama and Z-Boson interact, but I'm lazy. | ||
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I'm pushing for Yamato's lynch. So the only way I'm scum is if I'm being bussed or bussing somebody. And there's really no reason for scum to bus in a game in which there are 2 scum. Can I join the confirmed town club now? :p Or at least the "ProbablytownbutIguessthere'sasmallchancehe'sactuallyscumsoIwillputhiminhisownspecialcategory" club. | ||
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Also looking at this im surprised that no one else find this to be scummy. When asked by Dandel Ion how many mislynchs Zentor thinks he can get away with. Zentor responds with two or three. HE KNEW IT WAS A MISLYNCH. HE DIDN'T EVEN ACT LIKE HE THOUGHT DANDEL WAS SCUM. Also he states THAT WHEN HAPA CATCHES ON THAT HES PLAYING DIFFERENTLY THIS GAME THEN LAST GAME. HE WILL GET CAUGHT..... HE IS PRACTICALLY CLAIMING SCUM HERE. I hope you know that that post was sarcastic. XD | ||
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It might explain to you why I know you're town. | ||
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You can't protect the same player twice in a row. Hapa is dying tonight. He should tell us to kill Yamato before he dies. | ||
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On January 11 2013 08:46 jaybrundage wrote: You say that the way most people scum hunt is bad. But your scumhunting has given us two mislynchs and would have been three if We dont stop you :o. You dont know for sure that im town you could have a town read on me but you dont say that. I could just be a great scum player like WBG. I think your scum Zentor. So gonna have to lynch ya :o You seriously think anybody listened to me over the last two days? I'm guessing you skimmed over the part where I said why this way of scumhunting was better than the one we've been using. You're a noob, so of course I know your scumplay won't be any good, which is why I know your town. | ||
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Except that Z-Boson is trying to get me lynched. Anybody who thinks I'm scum must think that scum is trying to bus. Which is extremely unlikely. -.- You guys aren't being logical. | ||
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On January 11 2013 08:50 jaybrundage wrote: How do you know hapa is dying? Ohhh yea cause you sent in the PM got ya. I'm sorry if I have common sense. There's no reason to not kill him; he's by far the most active and helpful of the confirmed towns. Y u so paranoid, bro?? | ||
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On January 11 2013 08:55 jaybrundage wrote: Yamato doesnt make any sense as Zentor as been pushing him sense day one. So that leaves Z-Boson. Also CC you not giving your thoughts on my case only limits discussion. The more we talk the better read you can have on me. Dont have a confirmation bias on me. As its only gonna make you mislynch me. Do you know why neither you, nor Z-Boson, nor even Yamato make sense as my scum partner? Because I don't have any. <3 | ||
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If he votes with scum tomorrow (Z-Boson, Yamato), they will have half the votes, and we won't be able to lynch them. | ||
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That's pretty sad. XD | ||
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Boson thinks Jay/MrZ Yamato thinks Jay/MrZ Jay thinks MrZ/Boson I know Yamato/Z-Boson Mr. CC thinks Yamato/Jay DP thinks ZB, Mr Z, Jay. Jay-4 MrZ-4 Boson-3 Yamato-2 So right now, the 2 town have the largest number of "votes" on them. | ||
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Boson has a pathetic excuse for as to how Jay and I are scum together. And Yamato hasn't commented on this. | ||
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Boson, Yamato, Mr. CC, and DP think you're scum. If I voted for you, like you're voting for me, you would die, and I would live. As scum, why wouldn't I be pushing for your lynch, especially when making sure you don't get lynched increases my own chance of getting lynched? It doesn't make any sense. Please reconsider your read on me. <3 | ||
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On January 11 2013 09:29 jaybrundage wrote: hmmmm. So you propose a Z-Boson, Yamato scum team eh... I dont know... You have done some realllllly scummy things. Yamato hasn't posted who he would vote for yet. And i dont think DP has either. Isn't it 4 to lynch tho tmw? Your definition of what is scummy is wrong, like I said in mah post. <3 And yes, it's four to lynch. On January 10 2013 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: Fuck it. Yamato has to be town So I am calling 2 of ZB, Mr Z, Jay. From Yamato Jay/MrZ - I touched upon this earlier, it seems the most likely scum team to me given their play this game. | ||
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Two of the four MrZ, Jay, Yamato, and Z-Boson are scum. If you are scum, you are going to vote for the two townspeople, because if you say you will vote for your scum buddy and another townsperson, and people want to lynch your scum buddy, you will be forced to bus him. If you don't vote for him, it will be obvious that you were scum just bluffing that you would vote for your scum buddy. Because the two scum would vote for the two townpeople, they would vote for the same people. Now look at who these people have last said they think is mafia. Boson thinks Jay/MrZ Yamato thinks Jay/MrZ Jay thinks MrZ/Boson MrZ knows Yamato/Z-Boson Note that Boson and Yamato are the only people accusing the same people, just like scum would do. (Although they haven't actually voted yet, by accusing these people, they are setting themselves up to vote for one of those people.) | ||
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And if you think a Z/Z scum team is probable, then can we agree to lynch him tomorrow? After all, he's a scum read to both of us. And it's not like your pretending to be okay with voting him, just so you keep tunneling me, right? | ||
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I doubt you would lynch Z-Boson. And because you think we're both scum, what would be wrong with killing Z-Boson instead of me first? | ||
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On January 11 2013 10:07 yamato77 wrote: Why should I believe that you're not bluffing? As I said, you can talk all the shit you want but your focus, even right now, is pushing town to lynch me. You're just using this as a way to try to "trap" me. You're better scum than I thought, Zentor. Okay, so you think I might be bluffing, and I think you might be bluffing. So why don't we both agree to kill Z-Boson tomorrow? And we'll see once and for all who's bluffing. We'll see who's Boson's scum partner. | ||
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On January 11 2013 10:17 yamato77 wrote: How is lynching Boson going to help anything? He flips town, and you win because it was jay/mrz scum team. He flips scum, and then we both are left thinking the other is scum and bussed, and it does nothing to prove anything. Like I said I have no problem lynching him but you're implying that you know the alignment of him/jay which is something that is not confirmed by any means. Your certainty about this matter is unsettling. He flips town, and you win because it was jay/mrz scum team. Lol, Jay is a noob. He plays scum like a noob. His play this game hasn't been one of a noobie scum. He flips scum, and then we both are left thinking the other is scum and bussed, and it does nothing to prove anything. I think flipping a scum is pretty good, don't you? Are you already backing out of lynching Z-Boson? XD I can read Jay, easily. | ||
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I knew you didn't have the guts to lynch your scum buddy. You said the scum team was probably Z/Z, but now you're backing out. I would humor him and lynch Z-Bo but why take the risk? What if jay/zentor is the scum team? Then town loses. You want to lynch MrZ but why take the risk? What if Z-Bo and Jay is the scum team? Then town loses. You could say that about anything; you have a terrible excuse for not wanting to lynch Z-Bo anymore. You still have a chance to redeem yourself; you can still agree to lynch Z-Bo tomorrow. | ||
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On January 11 2013 10:38 Hapahauli wrote: No no no, see you're calling Z-Bo scum out of your ass. Why do you think Z-Bo is scum all of a sudden? He called Z-Bo scum to try to contradict this. On January 11 2013 09:41 MrZentor wrote: Another way to prove that Yamato and Z-Boson are scum. Two of the four MrZ, Jay, Yamato, and Z-Boson are scum. If you are scum, you are going to vote for the two townspeople, because if you say you will vote for your scum buddy and another townsperson, and people want to lynch your scum buddy, you will be forced to bus him. If you don't vote for him, it will be obvious that you were scum just bluffing that you would vote for your scum buddy. Because the two scum would vote for the two townpeople, they would vote for the same people. Now look at who these people have last said they think is mafia. Boson thinks Jay/MrZ Yamato thinks Jay/MrZ Jay thinks MrZ/Boson MrZ knows Yamato/Z-Boson Note that Boson and Yamato are the only people accusing the same people, just like scum would do. (Although they haven't actually voted yet, by accusing these people, they are setting themselves up to vote for one of those people.) But I called him on his bluff. | ||
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On January 11 2013 10:43 yamato77 wrote: I'm not saying anything "out of my ass". If I believe Zentor is scum, which I do, then I have to consider his scum partner at this point, and there are only two people who could possibly be that, which is Jay and Boson. I've covered exactly why each one does and doesn't make sense to me in my filter. It's far more suspicious that he is so convinced of Jay's towniness that he, if town, would risk losing the game straight up to jay/yamato scum team just to lynch Z-Boson. You do realize that whoever I lynch, there is a possible scum team you can make that doesn't lose a member, right? AKA, any lynch I make is a risk, which is why I want to lynch the two people who aren't either me or my strongest town read all game. | ||
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Okay, we have tomorrow's lynch, Z-Boson. If I were you Yamato, I'd switch to back to wanting to kill him ASAP to try to get some town cred when he flips red. K? | ||
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The fact that he got all paranoid proves even more that Jay is town. | ||
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After all, you said that a Z/Z scum team was likely. | ||
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Hapa realized that you're scum, I know you're scum, DP knows your scum, etc. | ||
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He said you were scum, but now he won't vote for you. And he couldn't even create a decent reason for this. | ||
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Who would a thunked it? | ||
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And you realize this. You realize there is no benefit to having him bus you. | ||
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We need every townsperson on a scum to kill them. On January 11 2013 10:47 Hapahauli wrote: Btw, MrZ is 100% NOT mafia. On January 11 2013 10:59 Hapahauli wrote: Well, final answer. Z-Bo, Yamato GG GL HF | ||
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On January 11 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Jay I hit his name on my dart board. MrCC, we need every townsperson on scum to kill them. We really need your vote on Z-Boson. | ||
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On January 11 2013 11:22 Z-BosoN wrote: Lol, dude, you're crumbling up. What do you think is going on our little QT? Hey yama, tell everyone you think I'm town. Actually no, wait, say that I'm scum now. Say that you are going to bus me. No, wait, don't bus me. This is your idea? Laughable Where did I say that was my idea? My idea was that Yamato bluffed in saying that you were scum with me, but now he won't vote for you. But it's not as if I can convince scum to suddenly turn into a townsperson. lol Talking to you is a waste, so I'll be ignoring future comments. | ||
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And you don't mention the first lynch in which Yamato hammers Xatalos. At any rate, you're getting kind of desperate, aren't you? | ||
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And since you're town, if you put your vote on a town by chance, which you did, we are unable to lynch scum. Reconsider, pl0x? | ||
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I'll see you on the other side. *jumps off building* | ||
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I mean, I have been constantly refreshing this thread for the last six hours, showing people why Z-Boson and Yamato are scum. -.- | ||
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You're going to make it way too easy after he dies. I mean, you could have at least pretended to want him dead. | ||
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DPDPDPDPDPDDPDPDPDP, where are you??? UGHHHH | ||
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You should just end it now. You really aren't fooling anybody. | ||
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/ragequit Also, I think we can now establish that if anybody tunnels me for long periods of time while I'm town, they're scum | ||
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