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Jay has a super boner scumread on me. Where is he? Wasn't he going to make a case until DP took charge?
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Never a big fan of meta cases guys. People can change their playstyle on a whim. I've seen meta cases go horribly wrong many times. A little meta here or there is fine, but entire defenses / attacks based on meta don't really hold strong. I don't think we should use them to exonerate (or damn, for that matter) Shaio.
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On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this: Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy". Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it.
It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops.
Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter.
Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument.
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Jay shows up right after we mention him... nice.
@Jay
Why are you down for dat SP lynch? Reasons updated from your original suspicion please 
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I know I just said I hate meta cases, but I think I've got a decent piece of meta here.
In both of our games together, we were both town. Yamato would always post quickly and fiercely to any pressure he received. His posting this game feels more structured and put together. It's taking him a long time to put stuff together. He doesn't feel like that town Yamato I know and loathe.
On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this: On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy". Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it. It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops. Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter. Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument. Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add. I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
Now that's OMGUS.
As for the bolded; I'm not defending myself. I'm trying to feel your reasons for thinking I'm scum. DP has some decent ones. You do not. You can't even explain why my posts are "useless".
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On January 08 2013 11:48 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I know I just said I hate meta cases, but I think I've got a decent piece of meta here. In both of our games together, we were both town. Yamato would always post quickly and fiercely to any pressure he received. His posting this game feels more structured and put together. It's taking him a long time to put stuff together. He doesn't feel like that town Yamato I know and loathe. On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this: On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy". Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it. It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops. Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter. Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument. Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add. I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Now that's OMGUS. As for the bolded; I'm not defending myself. I'm trying to feel your reasons for thinking I'm scum. DP has some decent ones. You do not. You can't even explain why my posts are "useless". Lol you're fucking retarded for calling my vote on you OMGUS. I'm the one YOU responded to, remember? Who is the one making cases on the other? Your reasons for calling me scum are that my case on yoiu is "bad"? You've done nothing to prove that point aside from just saying it. You're so scummy it's ridiculous.
I'm not calling you scum. Paranoid much?
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OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not.
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On January 08 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not. If you're not calling me scum then how is there anything for me to OMGUS you for? You're full of shit. Die scum.
Town can OMGUS one another. It happens all the time lol. Calm yourself.
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@Hapa
There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.
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Cousin, who doth thou wish to lynch?
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Yamato I think you misunderstand. I'm not wanting town to be suspicious of me. It just happened and I'm rolling with it, but I'm not going to dwell on people thinking I'm scum. People being suspect of me is just a bi-product of my shenanigans.
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I'll be straight up here.
I was never trying to come off scummy at all. I was trying to get answers from people by asking questions / expressing honest thoughts. Somewhere along the line, I got dubbed as scummy "omg not contributing wtf no content just posting for posting". I think to myself, really? Okay. I can't really refute that -- it would just end up in a he said she said situation. By fighting it, I'm getting in the way of finding actual scum. People would still be all over me for crap reasons if I were defending.
So I embrace it. Why fight the general flow of the thread? I'm here to read people and to find scum. What a better way than to talk to people and see if they are genuine in attacking me? It's not the best plan. Nor is it even a decent plan. But it's what I've got to roll with.
@Yamato
My shenanigans were only limited to quote "flinging shit" on some players. That was literally it, in one post I called some people out for BS. Somehow the entire thing has been bloated up into this mess where that one post makes me scum and it apparently is the only think I've done all game. But again, I have to roll with the punches.
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j Hapa, I think you're getting a bit emotional. I agree he should get back here so we can discuss to get a more accurate read on him, but I don't want you to go all out on him into a potential mislynch. You said yourself that emotional lynches are the worst. Think you guys should both cool down a little.
I really want to hear from everyone on the interactions. It seems 2-3 people interact and then the rest chime in later. Especially Jay and SP I need to hear from.
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Jay,
You seem not to care whether you lynch town or scum. What gives? You made that comment about lynching a detrimental townie to me, now you think shaiopi would be a good lynch whether hes scum or town.
Also, you've been very inactive / not involved in the thread as well. Why are you in favor of a SP lynch?
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On January 08 2013 14:00 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 13:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay,
You seem not to care whether you lynch town or scum. What gives? You made that comment about lynching a detrimental townie to me, now you think shaiopi would be a good lynch whether hes scum or town.
Also, you've been very inactive / not involved in the thread as well. Why are you in favor of a SP lynch? I never said he would be a good lynch if hes town. I said his inactivity hurts us whether hes scum or town. In the end I can never know for sure if you, ShaioPi, ZBoson, Zentor or anyone else for that matter is town or scum. However if ShaioPi looks scummy then we should by all means lynch him. So far he hasn't given us much content to go off and determine his alignment. I dont want him at LYLO because if he stays at this post rate we still wont have much to go on. I have been a bit inactive I find it hard to continually post content. Also it find it difficult to continue to contributing when my best scum read is still alive. I had this same problem before with kata in one of my past games I got to tunneled on her and didn't branch out on other people. CC whos your biggest scum read atm?
You said you would be down for his lynch. How does he look scummy with the exception of lurking? What makes him have a good chance of flipping scum?
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Also Jay: What do you make of Yamato and his interaction with me / Hapa?
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Will post more tomorrow. It's like 1am. Have work etc so ill check game during my lunch break and continue posting afterwards. We have plenty of time, dont lynch anybody.
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