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Scum could easily fake claim being roleblocked btw. So its not fool proof.
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I do think the named vt should claim. Roleblock claims are iffy. Hapa dies tomorrow night anyway so they arent in danger of NK really.
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Z-bo, what do you want to know about me and SP? I'm right here *waves*
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On January 08 2013 08:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I do think the named vt should claim. Roleblock claims are iffy. Hapa dies tomorrow night anyway so they arent in danger of NK really. how the fuck are roleblock claims iffy? and how do you know hapa will die tomorrow night?
Because scum can fakeclaim being roleblocked? I've seen my scumbuddy do it in my only scumgame.
And because doctors can't heal the same target twice. This is assuming Hapa was shot, of course. I'm pretty sure he was and protected, it's the easiest explanation. What doctor wouldn't protect Hapa?
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On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum?
I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today.
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On January 08 2013 08:26 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 08:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I do think the named vt should claim. Roleblock claims are iffy. Hapa dies tomorrow night anyway so they arent in danger of NK really. how the fuck are roleblock claims iffy? and how do you know hapa will die tomorrow night? Because scum can fakeclaim being roleblocked? I've seen my scumbuddy do it in my only scumgame. And because doctors can't heal the same target twice. This is assuming Hapa was shot, of course. I'm pretty sure he was and protected, it's the easiest explanation. What doctor wouldn't protect Hapa? If scum fakes roleblock claim, the named VT will know it's bullshit.
Oh wow i didn't think of that. Cool. nvm dont claim named vt
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On January 08 2013 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum? I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today. When did I reverse my read on Xatalos? I never thought you a strong town to begin with, and I like DP's case a lot. Please answer my questions I showed up because I got caught up in traffic. Why would I make a post saying I'd post my reads before deadline and not do so? Do you doubt this? If not, what's the point of asking?
Wtf are you talking about? DP 180'd his reads. Not you. I just answered your question.
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On January 08 2013 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 08:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I do think the named vt should claim. Roleblock claims are iffy. Hapa dies tomorrow night anyway so they arent in danger of NK really. how the fuck are roleblock claims iffy? and how do you know hapa will die tomorrow night? Because scum can fakeclaim being roleblocked? I've seen my scumbuddy do it in my only scumgame. And because doctors can't heal the same target twice. This is assuming Hapa was shot, of course. I'm pretty sure he was and protected, it's the easiest explanation. What doctor wouldn't protect Hapa? What scum would shoot hapa in a setup in which it's quite likely he is protected? For that reason it is entirely plausible that both scum and the medic chose a secondary target.
Because the former is far more likely. Either way it's pointless to discuss, so let's end it.
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On January 08 2013 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum? I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today. So wishy washy. Yeah I don;t agree with hapa's town read on you. like I would have earlier but you have actually contributed nothing whilst appearing active and townish. That is the hallmark of non useless scum play. Look town, contribute nothing substantial and find a mislynch in a group of several weaker players. Check, Check and Check.
Your confirmation bias is stunning. You haven't done anything this game but argue with Hapa, let the Xatalos lynch happen, and then proceed to tunnel me blindly.
Everyone keeps saying I'm not contributing when I've actually given reads and comments on a bunch of people. Seriously. If you are town, proceed to find scum instead of beating my mislynch into the ground.
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On January 08 2013 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 08 2013 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 08:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you are. Don't go ahead and disappear. I want to discuss ShiaoPi and CC with you. Why me? Discuss them with the rest of the thread. I'm the last person you should be asking the opinion of right now - I'm obv-town. We need to hear answers from others to determine their alignment. So what? Asking opinions is a good way to find scum, but it also adds information. I actually think the opposite, since you are 99% town right now, you should dish out as much info as you can, as it's almost guaranteed non-bullshit. I can understand your view this game due to inactiveness, but I don't want you to go full inactive (dunno if that's what you plan to do). @Mr.CCIt's cause I think Hapa is wrong on you and wrong on ShiaoPi. Since you are right here - let me ask you this, do you think DP is scum? I don't like the fact that he just shows up randomly minutes after the lynch and 180's his reads on me and Xatalos. It doesn't make him scum, though. He's one of the more townier people so I definitely wouldn't lynch him today. When did I reverse my read on Xatalos? I never thought you a strong town to begin with, and I like DP's case a lot. Please answer my questions I showed up because I got caught up in traffic. Why would I make a post saying I'd post my reads before deadline and not do so? Do you doubt this? If not, what's the point of asking? Wtf are you talking about? DP 180'd his reads. Not you. I just answered your question. Derp. My mistake. I'd like you to be clearer on your read of him, though. Why is he one of the townier people?
He's townier simply because their are scummier people. I'm starting to rethink my read on him simply because he's providing nothing to town other than tunneling me for "not contributing". I need to read SP and Yamato better due to this.
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I'm here too. I'll answer anything but I'm working atm.
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How natural do I find what? His town reads on me and DP?
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@Z-Bo
His town read on me is nothing special. It basically boils down to me being open and carefree. Problem is, I'm like that every game. If I was scum, I would emulate that to the max. It doesn't really say much to credit me town imo. The thing about Yamato and Xatalos wasn't convincing that I was townie. The only thing that should scream townie to him, imo, is my general reaction to the thread.
His town read on DP I think is genuine. In Witchcraft I believe that's exactly how he judged people, and I think it's how he's judging people this game including me and DP.
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On January 08 2013 09:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. I've only played with town CC so I haven't seen his scum meta but this game doesn't look like the games I played with him. For one, he hasn't outright called me scum yet, he's actually defended me. Two, he doesn't seem active or invested like he usually does. Like I've said before, I have had a town read on him but it isn't strong, and it's quickly degrading. As for my top scum read, I still don't like Zentor for his play day 1 and he hasn't done anything to change that. I'm going to put some time into reading filters more carefully and see if I can see things more clearly.
I've been calling you out for shit, apparently you haven't noticed? I wanted to LYNCH you day 1. I defended you a tad d1 and that's it.
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On January 08 2013 09:57 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 09:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:53 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. I've only played with town CC so I haven't seen his scum meta but this game doesn't look like the games I played with him. For one, he hasn't outright called me scum yet, he's actually defended me. Two, he doesn't seem active or invested like he usually does. Like I've said before, I have had a town read on him but it isn't strong, and it's quickly degrading. As for my top scum read, I still don't like Zentor for his play day 1 and he hasn't done anything to change that. I'm going to put some time into reading filters more carefully and see if I can see things more clearly. I've been calling you out for shit, apparently you haven't noticed? I wanted to LYNCH you day 1. I defended you a tad d1 and that's it. You've been saying the same things Hapa was. I don't see any reason to attach those questions to your thought process.
Wait what? I still never defended you besides me saying "Yamato is being Yamato". Also, how can you say I don't seem as active? I'm as active if not more active than in my previous games with you with the exception of the first half of D1. You are straight up lying.
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On January 08 2013 10:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:53 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. I've only played with town CC so I haven't seen his scum meta but this game doesn't look like the games I played with him. For one, he hasn't outright called me scum yet, he's actually defended me. Two, he doesn't seem active or invested like he usually does. Like I've said before, I have had a town read on him but it isn't strong, and it's quickly degrading. As for my top scum read, I still don't like Zentor for his play day 1 and he hasn't done anything to change that. I'm going to put some time into reading filters more carefully and see if I can see things more clearly. I've been calling you out for shit, apparently you haven't noticed? I wanted to LYNCH you day 1. I defended you a tad d1 and that's it. You've been saying the same things Hapa was. I don't see any reason to attach those questions to your thought process. Wait what? I still never defended you besides me saying "Yamato is being Yamato". Also, how can you say I don't seem as active? I'm as active if not more active than in my previous games with you with the exception of the first half of D1. You are straight up lying. A lot of your posting this game is what I would call "posting to post". You say nothing meaningful to the thread. You announce you're here, or that you're working, or make some snarky comment. This is different from your town games where you seem actively engaged in figuring out the game. And now this. You haven't seen any reason to respond to me before, but now that I give the slightest inkling I think you might be scum, you start attacking me. OMGUS much? CC, why so scummy?
LOL! I've been attacking you but you haven't responded in the slightest. Plus, that post of yours where you voted me I just went "lol", I'm not attacking you because you think I'm scum. Why don't you actually do something in this game Yamato. Everyone keeps saying that I'm "posting for posting" or blah blah blah. But you of all people should know I do that as town. A LOT. C'mon Yamato let's go. Tunnel me.
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On January 08 2013 10:15 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 10:08 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:53 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. I've only played with town CC so I haven't seen his scum meta but this game doesn't look like the games I played with him. For one, he hasn't outright called me scum yet, he's actually defended me. Two, he doesn't seem active or invested like he usually does. Like I've said before, I have had a town read on him but it isn't strong, and it's quickly degrading. As for my top scum read, I still don't like Zentor for his play day 1 and he hasn't done anything to change that. I'm going to put some time into reading filters more carefully and see if I can see things more clearly. I've been calling you out for shit, apparently you haven't noticed? I wanted to LYNCH you day 1. I defended you a tad d1 and that's it. You've been saying the same things Hapa was. I don't see any reason to attach those questions to your thought process. Wait what? I still never defended you besides me saying "Yamato is being Yamato". Also, how can you say I don't seem as active? I'm as active if not more active than in my previous games with you with the exception of the first half of D1. You are straight up lying. A lot of your posting this game is what I would call "posting to post". You say nothing meaningful to the thread. You announce you're here, or that you're working, or make some snarky comment. This is different from your town games where you seem actively engaged in figuring out the game. And now this. You haven't seen any reason to respond to me before, but now that I give the slightest inkling I think you might be scum, you start attacking me. OMGUS much? CC, why so scummy? LOL! I've been attacking you but you haven't responded in the slightest. Plus, that post of yours where you voted me I just went "lol", I'm not attacking you because you think I'm scum. Why don't you actually do something in this game Yamato. Everyone keeps saying that I'm "posting for posting" or blah blah blah. But you of all people should know I do that as town. A LOT. C'mon Yamato let's go. Tunnel me. This is the second time you've tried to bait me into tunneling you. What is with you? It's like you want town to think you're scummy or something. As town generally you want to PROVE you're town, you know. That way you're not just wasting time. Instead you seem to want town to waste time being suspicious of you. Why?
Because there's nothing you can actually throw at me. Your reasons for thinking I'm scum are hallow. You state that I don't contribute anything meaningful to the thread --- What have you done? Nothing. I haven't seen any specific reasoning from you thinking I'm scum. You even defended me day 1, and said that I was promoting discussion and generally being pro-town. C'mon. Why am I scum?
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On January 08 2013 10:22 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 10:15 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 10:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 10:08 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 09:53 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:
@ Yamato. You have a lot of experience playing with CC don't you? how would you say his play this game correlates to his previous games with you?
@ ZB have you dramatically altered your playstyle since the last time we played together? This is certainly not the town meta I remember from you. I've only played with town CC so I haven't seen his scum meta but this game doesn't look like the games I played with him. For one, he hasn't outright called me scum yet, he's actually defended me. Two, he doesn't seem active or invested like he usually does. Like I've said before, I have had a town read on him but it isn't strong, and it's quickly degrading. As for my top scum read, I still don't like Zentor for his play day 1 and he hasn't done anything to change that. I'm going to put some time into reading filters more carefully and see if I can see things more clearly. I've been calling you out for shit, apparently you haven't noticed? I wanted to LYNCH you day 1. I defended you a tad d1 and that's it. You've been saying the same things Hapa was. I don't see any reason to attach those questions to your thought process. Wait what? I still never defended you besides me saying "Yamato is being Yamato". Also, how can you say I don't seem as active? I'm as active if not more active than in my previous games with you with the exception of the first half of D1. You are straight up lying. A lot of your posting this game is what I would call "posting to post". You say nothing meaningful to the thread. You announce you're here, or that you're working, or make some snarky comment. This is different from your town games where you seem actively engaged in figuring out the game. And now this. You haven't seen any reason to respond to me before, but now that I give the slightest inkling I think you might be scum, you start attacking me. OMGUS much? CC, why so scummy? LOL! I've been attacking you but you haven't responded in the slightest. Plus, that post of yours where you voted me I just went "lol", I'm not attacking you because you think I'm scum. Why don't you actually do something in this game Yamato. Everyone keeps saying that I'm "posting for posting" or blah blah blah. But you of all people should know I do that as town. A LOT. C'mon Yamato let's go. Tunnel me. This is the second time you've tried to bait me into tunneling you. What is with you? It's like you want town to think you're scummy or something. As town generally you want to PROVE you're town, you know. That way you're not just wasting time. Instead you seem to want town to waste time being suspicious of you. Why? Because there's nothing you can actually throw at me. Your reasons for thinking I'm scum are hallow. You state that I don't contribute anything meaningful to the thread --- What have you done? Nothing. I haven't seen any specific reasoning from you thinking I'm scum. You even defended me day 1, and said that I was promoting discussion and generally being pro-town. C'mon. Why am I scum? I defended you day 1 precisely because I thought you would contribute more meaningfully as town like you have in games past and now you aren't. You're OMGUSing people who are suspicious of you. This is not town CC.
So you defended me because you THOUGHT I would do something? Lololol. I'm not OMGUSing people. Everyone in this thread but Hapa wants me dead --- so it's easy to yell OMGUS. You can shout that all you want, it doesn't make it true.
Why am I scum? Tell me, specifically. I've given my thoughts on everybody. You know my stances on each person in this thread relatively well. Give me something more convincing than "I'm not contributing".
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@Hapa
I know I'm in the middle of rolling my face over Yamato, but what do you think about Shaio always defending himself? I made a post about it during the night. Nobody has responded to it in the slightest. Is it a paranoid scumtell?
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