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On January 06 2013 05:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 06 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:On January 06 2013 03:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 06 2013 02:48 Xatalos wrote:Now that you mention RiseAgain... I'm very uncomfortable with his inactivity so far. He never posted again after the beginning. There's something interesting in his filter: On January 04 2013 09:45 RiseAgain wrote:
What your post is doing is detracting from something we should be doing, setup-analysis, this setup has a very clear town slant with the proper play. I already know what it is, three townie points to the first person to propose it, if no one has come up with it in the next... 12-24 hours I'll explain it, after all, we have time. What might this be about? I have a feeling he's going to make some giant post soon enough and focus on this idea. However, I don't feel good about focusing on "setup-analysis". I really doubt there's some trick that would make us win based on the setup. It always comes down to player analysis, in the end. I'm not really willing to lynch him right now though. His inactivity is bad, but not necessarily scummy. And when he did post (long ago), his posts were focused on the setup, yeah, but it at least looked like he was trying to achieve something and convince others of his ideas. At the very least I want to see him posting again before judging. Xalatos, You don't seem to be willing to lynch anybody. Make a hard read on someone and vote their ass. Stop floundering around with the DP read (all you've done is give longass post(s) with a super neutral opinion on people, and your filter doesn't reveal anything new). Vote your top scumread. Right now. Explain it at your leisure. Interested in seeing what it is. Love, Mr. Cheesecake 1) I don't yet have a scumread I'm confident in. 2) I don't want to vote someone prematurely - in this setup, it could lead to someone I only have a weak scumread on to get lynched while I'm offline. 3) If I had to vote someone right now, it would be you, but there's no rush (several players have said almost nothing yet). then explain, why me? I've already detailed my reasons for suspecting you in several earlier posts. Mainly about posting lots of fluff and not contributing much. My suspicion started when I originally read through the thread and had a hard time noticing your existence at all. It's not a strong suspicion, but after all, I don't have any stronger reads either. I'm unwilling to vote now though - you already have 2 votes, and if I voted now, only 2 more votes would be needed for an instalynch, without giving all players a chance to offer their opinions. I'm also not confident in you flipping Mafia, even though I don't have a better option currently.
So you don't have a better option right now? Then find one.
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On January 06 2013 07:53 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Can you give me an update on your current suspicions? Xatalos does have a point when he says that you haven't been all that committal this game
You kidding? He has been a floundering neutral playing PoS this game so far and literally hasn't done anything but teeter on the fence of null on DP. Xatalos scum. Jay scummy as fk. Yamato is pretty meh considering he's Yamato. That vote was just out there but, you know, it's him and i can't exactly blow up on him over his work schedule because mines pretty fucked up too. CC also pretty scummy.
Not even going to bother with you and DP, I'm just glad you two stopped facerolling into each other.
Rise I want to think as town because of his "grand master plan" to rid the world of scum and do justice. Idk, nothing inherently scummy so far other than lurking.
MrZ soup null sides that he's "too obv scum to be scum brah" argument which rubs me the wrong way but hey, it's pretty much a null tell either way.
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On January 06 2013 08:36 jaybrundage wrote:
I thought the case on him you made was* decent.
EBWODP
You have no idea how fast I was about to red text that lololol
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On January 06 2013 08:42 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 08:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 06 2013 08:36 jaybrundage wrote:
I thought the case on him you made was* decent.
EBWODP You have no idea how fast I was about to red text that lololol Jesus CC That's a cheat shot bra
Wrong. Don't try to compare that to what you tried on DP.
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@MrZ
Who should we lynch, then?
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On January 06 2013 08:57 jaybrundage wrote:
I plan to lynch my biggest scum read. And at the moment its CC.
I think that ShaoiPi could still be scum. But atm I believe i have a better read on CC. His lack of substance in his posts. And his continual lack of conviction, makes it seem to me that he is a scum trying to look like he is contributing with out really doing so.
Dude, your reasoning is terrible. It's just a general blanket statement saying that I lack substance. Or I "haven't been contributing"
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On January 06 2013 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 08:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 06 2013 07:53 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Can you give me an update on your current suspicions? Xatalos does have a point when he says that you haven't been all that committal this game You kidding? He has been a floundering neutral playing PoS this game so far and literally hasn't done anything but teeter on the fence of null on DP. Xatalos scum. Jay scummy as fk. Yamato is pretty meh considering he's Yamato. That vote was just out there but, you know, it's him and i can't exactly blow up on him over his work schedule because mines pretty fucked up too. CC also pretty scummy. Not even going to bother with you and DP, I'm just glad you two stopped facerolling into each other. Rise I want to think as town because of his "grand master plan" to rid the world of scum and do justice. Idk, nothing inherently scummy so far other than lurking. MrZ soup null sides that he's "too obv scum to be scum brah" argument which rubs me the wrong way but hey, it's pretty much a null tell either way. Regarding Xatalos, I'm not as sold on him as you are. Indecision is not an exclusively scummy trait, and a degree of hesitancy is necessary with this mechanic. If he never comes up with something, I'll be concerned. For now, he's pretty null for me. I'm really not sure why you think Yamato is "Yamato." In fact, he's being anything but right now given his abysmal activity
I mean that Yamato in himself is an enigma all his own regardless of activity this game. I don't know what to do with him.
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@MrZ
Get off your loaf and do something this game besides reserve your hammer like some God on Mt. Olympus. I haven't seen one bit anything controversial from you besides a few trolly comments.
All I've seen is some defending of yourself via "Oh, scum don't want to hammer vote, therefore I'm auto-town yo. I can't be scum because scum don't want to do things like this."
Last game you voted for yourself which scum would "never want to do". But you didn't flaunt it around to assure everyone that you were town.
##Unvote
##Vote: Mr. Zentor
You were much more interesting last game. Start being interesting plx.
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On January 06 2013 09:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 06 2013 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:On January 06 2013 08:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 06 2013 07:53 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Can you give me an update on your current suspicions? Xatalos does have a point when he says that you haven't been all that committal this game You kidding? He has been a floundering neutral playing PoS this game so far and literally hasn't done anything but teeter on the fence of null on DP. Xatalos scum. Jay scummy as fk. Yamato is pretty meh considering he's Yamato. That vote was just out there but, you know, it's him and i can't exactly blow up on him over his work schedule because mines pretty fucked up too. CC also pretty scummy. Not even going to bother with you and DP, I'm just glad you two stopped facerolling into each other. Rise I want to think as town because of his "grand master plan" to rid the world of scum and do justice. Idk, nothing inherently scummy so far other than lurking. MrZ soup null sides that he's "too obv scum to be scum brah" argument which rubs me the wrong way but hey, it's pretty much a null tell either way. Regarding Xatalos, I'm not as sold on him as you are. Indecision is not an exclusively scummy trait, and a degree of hesitancy is necessary with this mechanic. If he never comes up with something, I'll be concerned. For now, he's pretty null for me. I'm really not sure why you think Yamato is "Yamato." In fact, he's being anything but right now given his abysmal activity I mean that Yamato in himself is an enigma all his own regardless of activity this game. I don't know what to do with him. Wut? Yamato is generally pretty obv-town when he's town. He's active, aggressive, and foams at the mouth about scum-reads.
Obv-town as town? You must have not seen my newbie games with him haha. One of the scummiest towns in those games by far.
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On January 06 2013 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:Mr.CC, why the crap are you voting MrZ, when you posted this barely an hour ago: Show nested quote +You kidding? He has been a floundering neutral playing PoS this game so far and literally hasn't done anything but teeter on the fence of null on DP. Xatalos scum. Jay scummy as fk. Yamato is pretty meh considering he's Yamato. That vote was just out there but, you know, it's him and i can't exactly blow up on him over his work schedule because mines pretty fucked up too. CC also pretty scummy.
Pressure voting is fun. Nobody is getting lynched right now anyway. Just a pressure vote so he does stuff.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931
^XXXI was my first game with him. We nearly lynched him D1 for being scummy town. The rest of the game he tunneled me with confirmation bias and he was one of my top scumreads until I figured out the scumteam during lylo (which could have included him). Glancing over the post-game you can see him being like LOL I'm so bad sorry town, etc. But yeah he was scummy all around.
In XXXII he was fairly scummy too but I got NK'd n1 so I didn't read into it much after that.
Those were his nooby games though, maybe I'll look at some more of his recent games? I just assumed he kept his scummy-town persona thing going on. I don't doubt he's improved.
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It's really hard to describe his play in those games, even when you just read them over. He was a lesser-version of Eywa, that's all I can say.
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On January 06 2013 09:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh yeah those games. Those weren't very good lynches d00d =P
But look at his filter in those games. Look how engaged, spammy, and aggressive he is. This game... he's a shell of himself.
Can it all be due to a work schedule? I mean I can sympathize with that. But he's been really lurky so far and I was looking forward to him tunneling the fuck out of me.
Him backing down made me a sad panda...
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On January 06 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote:
I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so.
Does it sound legit? Trying to become a different / better / more sophisticated monocle-wearing player?
Why am I trying to defend Yamato? Lolololol
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On January 06 2013 09:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Btw CC, you mind building a case on Xatalos? He may be indecisive, but I don't see how it's scummy.
Tbh I think everyone was overstating my read on Xatalos. My original "case" was just a read post with vote pressure and it kind of got blown out of proportion both by myself and others.
Allow me to rationalize why his indecision struck me so: Oats as scum in XXXII. I caught him flip flopping his read on Yamato so hard and lynch him for it. Xatalos did the same thing by contradicting himself within the frame of ~20mins with only 1 post from you inbetween.
I'm starting to realize the two situations are different (as scum are more refined in these non-newbie games). But my concern stands that he's only really done that the entire game so far; saying he could be scum because this, but it could also be town. My experience with such play has been that it is scum.
Tell me: Is it different?
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On January 06 2013 10:03 MrZentor wrote:
So when do you plan on lynching somebody?
We can start with you right now if you'd like. But I'd rather not, sir.
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On January 06 2013 10:07 Hapahauli wrote:
I'd rather not lynch MrZ either. He's a pretty classic example of a bored townie.
Hapa, you know how much I want to call that a scumslip right? Hehehe. Oh lordy you get me riled up.
But seriously Mr.Z -- your opinions please.
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If anyone actually wants me to address a specific part of that case I will.
And Hapa I'm not moving my vote on MrZ until he does something decent. Last game he was much more productive, and I don't see why he shouldn't this game.
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On January 06 2013 10:27 jaybrundage wrote:Hey look a post with out substance lollll How about you write a case on someone you wanna lynch plz I find it ironic that you think im tunneling you, as I have called DP scummy and said I would vote him at the time. And I have made a case on ShaioPi.
You really don't know the meaning of ironic, do you?
And no, you've pretty much had it out for me since the start of the game. Just think you need to calm yourself.
@Hapa
What do you make of Yamatos vote on ya?
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