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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 03:57 GMT
#203
Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said?

Anyway Yamato your logic is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think I'm that scummy, but I'm an easy target.

Yamato is scummy.

*Vote Yamato*

No but seriously, if you're going to vote me, TUNNEL ME BRO. Get at me.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 03:58 GMT
#204
Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 04:07 GMT
#206
On January 05 2013 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm catching up a bit right now. Regarding your Xatalos case, I did find his initial post slightly scummy (spreading suspicion amongst 3 players and not making any conclusions). I'm less convinced than you about his stance on DP, because I was really attacking his town-read on DP and pushing the idea that DP is scum at the time he made the switch.

However, Yamato's vote/post is just all sorts of absurd. You don't call someone's case "fake" without any rationale to back it up. This is not how this game works, and it's absolutely retarded play. I'm not sure if it's scummy or not yet, but like damn.


Truth, I wasn't in here at the time so I can't get the best feel for the atmosphere / mood people were in. But the timestamp suggests he switches the read soup quickly. You made one post in between his two contradictory ones. Meh, seems like le scum to me.

Totes not down for a Rise lynch right now if you're wondering Shiao.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 04:23 GMT
#211
He's always been scummy as shit as town, though, for whatever it's worth.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 04:28 GMT
#213
On January 05 2013 13:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 13:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
He's always been scummy as shit as town, though, for whatever it's worth.


In what sense? Is his logic normally this bad? Even if so, it's the activity levels and lack of engagement that are most concerning to me.


Think Eywa of Witchcraft. I think I compared Eywa to Yamato... said that he produced "The Yamato effect" or something like that.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 04:36 GMT
#217
@Jay

Who, right now, do you wanna lynch? Why does not making sense as town play = bad play and not mafia play?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 04:41 GMT
#219
On January 05 2013 13:40 jaybrundage wrote:
Doing things that draw a shit load of attention to you for no fucking reason isn't a scum tell.

He came out of no where said something about cc's case being bad soft defended Xaltos and then decided to vote cc . It could be a ploy for discussion it could be a pressure vote.

But there is one thing that it did do and that is draw alot of attention to himself. I dont see mafia making a play like and draw scrutiny on themselves. For no foreseeable reason.



I hate these kinds of defenses. Because obvious scum can get away with shit. Trouble is, he's (probably) right.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 05:26 GMT
#238
Eh, I just hate this dick measuring contest between hapa and DP. Not really sold on either being scum in the slightest.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 05:31 GMT
#243
Yo guys, cease the shitflinging kk? You both think each other are scum, that's cool and all. You guys can make condense cases later so we don't have to sift through this mess.

This argument could pretty much go on forever between you two. What say you guys to SP being super ultra mega neutral so far this game? Concerning or no?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 05:42 GMT
#252
On January 05 2013 14:40 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 14:38 DarthPunk wrote:
ugh I am not scum. So there is that.

Case on hapa very simply

Pushes weak as shit wagons for weak as shit reasons when he should know better. Look at original post.

When Questioned he states that it was for the purposes of promoting activity and discussion. Which is fine. But then I ask why not push lurkers as they are hurting the game more than yamato or Rise were at that point as both had posted pretty recently.

Tries to say that not pushing lurkers makes me scum which is fucking absurd.

Hapa proceeds to go apeshit and omgus me and tunnel me which is not the reaction I would expect from a town hapa who almost always gives me a town read in similar circumstances.

He then misinterprets and misrepresents things that I say in order to paint me as scummy and discredit my view of his scummines to the point in which it seems as if it is deliberate and pushing an agenda rather than scumhunting and searching genuinely for my alignment.

He flames and omgus' away regardless of what I say. Which is unlike any town hapa ever. He has never not called me town correctly aside from his scum game in mario.

A lot of it is gut feeling and a complete wtf?!?! reaction to hapa going apeshit at the lightest and IMO justified pressure originally.



Okay so basically it is more of a meta-read on Hapa you have? Why be so inconsistent then? Another question, Hapa is not in this game anymore, who do you want to lynch?


Weren't you reading the thread?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 05:51 GMT
#267
Anyone read Mr.Z's comment about "I'm easy to read because I do stuff scum never would do!" To be scummy as fk?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 05:56 GMT
#274
Holy crap thank you guys for compromising to stop this headbashing endeavor.

I permit you guys one post each to flesh out your ideas on each other. And don't respond to each other. Just one long post containing errything y'all done got.

Meanwhile, I sleep.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 05:59 GMT
#277
On January 05 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 14:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh and for the record. I think cheesecake is probably Town for not jumping on either hapa or myself. I am sure scum would love to get me or hapa if he is town for free.

now your assuming hapa is town again....


Jesus Jay, he said "if he is town".

Trying to get a cheat shot in much?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 06:05 GMT
#284
On January 05 2013 15:03 jaybrundage wrote:
Whats it to you?


What's it to me? That's a scummy as shit move you pulled right thar sonny boy.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 06:15 GMT
#287
On January 05 2013 15:10 jaybrundage wrote:
You dont know DP alignment if your town. So I find it ironic that your thinking hes town. I made a comment on his post concerning his wishy washiness.



So much wrong with this post.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 18:37 GMT
#321
On January 06 2013 02:48 Xatalos wrote:
Now that you mention RiseAgain... I'm very uncomfortable with his inactivity so far. He never posted again after the beginning.

There's something interesting in his filter:

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:45 RiseAgain wrote:
What your post is doing is detracting from something we should be doing, setup-analysis, this setup has a very clear town slant with the proper play. I already know what it is, three townie points to the first person to propose it, if no one has come up with it in the next... 12-24 hours I'll explain it, after all, we have time.


What might this be about? I have a feeling he's going to make some giant post soon enough and focus on this idea. However, I don't feel good about focusing on "setup-analysis". I really doubt there's some trick that would make us win based on the setup. It always comes down to player analysis, in the end.

I'm not really willing to lynch him right now though. His inactivity is bad, but not necessarily scummy. And when he did post (long ago), his posts were focused on the setup, yeah, but it at least looked like he was trying to achieve something and convince others of his ideas. At the very least I want to see him posting again before judging.


Xalatos,

You don't seem to be willing to lynch anybody. Make a hard read on someone and vote their ass. Stop floundering around with the DP read (all you've done is give longass post(s) with a super neutral opinion on people, and your filter doesn't reveal anything new). Vote your top scumread. Right now. Explain it at your leisure.

Interested in seeing what it is.

Love,

Mr. Cheesecake
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 18:41 GMT
#322
On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
So regarding Jay's stuff on DP... it doesn't look very good. It looks a lot like he's trying to shovel shit on DP.

After Hero Mini, my view on Jay is that he's lynch-bait, so I'm rather hesitant about lynching him. Right now, I'm unsure how likely his behavior is coming from a "town-Jay." His play on it's face is scummy, but I really need to hear more from him.

@ Jay

What do you make of my newly disclosed town-read on DP? Agree or disagree?

Secondly, your quote accusing DP of assuming I was town was very clearly mis-interpreting his actions (in which he very clearly qualified as only IF I was town). It doesn't look very good. Explain yourself.


First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position.

The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched.

The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong.

Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game.

He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff.
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


So Xatalos is scummy yo

So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy.

Dat 180 on DP. Explain.


He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing.

##Unvote
##Vote Mr.CheeseCake


I've done absolutely nothing? Watch your tongue, scumster, you've done nothing as well.

Your vote is pretty lulzy considering I called you out on your attempted cheap shot at DP. Also, anything DP-Hapa related is completely independent of Xalatos. DP's 180s aren't the same as his by any means.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 18:52 GMT
#325
On January 06 2013 03:46 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 03:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 05 2013 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
So regarding Jay's stuff on DP... it doesn't look very good. It looks a lot like he's trying to shovel shit on DP.

After Hero Mini, my view on Jay is that he's lynch-bait, so I'm rather hesitant about lynching him. Right now, I'm unsure how likely his behavior is coming from a "town-Jay." His play on it's face is scummy, but I really need to hear more from him.

@ Jay

What do you make of my newly disclosed town-read on DP? Agree or disagree?

Secondly, your quote accusing DP of assuming I was town was very clearly mis-interpreting his actions (in which he very clearly qualified as only IF I was town). It doesn't look very good. Explain yourself.


First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position.

The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched.

The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong.

Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game.

He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff.
On January 05 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


So Xatalos is scummy yo

So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy.

Dat 180 on DP. Explain.


He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing.

##Unvote
##Vote Mr.CheeseCake


I've done absolutely nothing? Watch your tongue, scumster, you've done nothing as well.

Your vote is pretty lulzy considering I called you out on your attempted cheap shot at DP. Also, anything DP-Hapa related is completely independent of Xalatos. DP's 180s aren't the same as his by any means.


Thats not the reason I wrote a case on you. I didnt even commentate it in my case as its irrelevant as why you are scummy. You have wrote a crap load of one liners and things that should be obvious. You seem to me lacking presence in this thread. You are calling me scummy. But you fail to follow thru with your read. Just as you have done with ShaioPi and Mr.Zentor.

You make glib comments with no substance so you seem to be contributing.


Because I was trying to stop the shitflinging between DP and Hapa, I was trying to get their opinions on MrZ and SP just to stop them from fighting for once. Seems the only reason you think I'm scummy is because I'm "not contributing"

Sonny boy, you're going to have to do better than a little fluff and one-liner argument.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 19:23 GMT
#327
On January 06 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 03:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 06 2013 02:48 Xatalos wrote:
Now that you mention RiseAgain... I'm very uncomfortable with his inactivity so far. He never posted again after the beginning.

There's something interesting in his filter:

On January 04 2013 09:45 RiseAgain wrote:
What your post is doing is detracting from something we should be doing, setup-analysis, this setup has a very clear town slant with the proper play. I already know what it is, three townie points to the first person to propose it, if no one has come up with it in the next... 12-24 hours I'll explain it, after all, we have time.


What might this be about? I have a feeling he's going to make some giant post soon enough and focus on this idea. However, I don't feel good about focusing on "setup-analysis". I really doubt there's some trick that would make us win based on the setup. It always comes down to player analysis, in the end.

I'm not really willing to lynch him right now though. His inactivity is bad, but not necessarily scummy. And when he did post (long ago), his posts were focused on the setup, yeah, but it at least looked like he was trying to achieve something and convince others of his ideas. At the very least I want to see him posting again before judging.


Xalatos,

You don't seem to be willing to lynch anybody. Make a hard read on someone and vote their ass. Stop floundering around with the DP read (all you've done is give longass post(s) with a super neutral opinion on people, and your filter doesn't reveal anything new). Vote your top scumread. Right now. Explain it at your leisure.

Interested in seeing what it is.

Love,

Mr. Cheesecake


1) I don't yet have a scumread I'm confident in.
2) I don't want to vote someone prematurely - in this setup, it could lead to someone I only have a weak scumread on to get lynched while I'm offline.
3) If I had to vote someone right now, it would be you, but there's no rush (several players have said almost nothing yet).


then explain, why me?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 05 2013 20:48 GMT
#328
Anyone here at all? Xatalos just disappeared when I asked him to explain himself. I need someone to hold me.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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