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MrZentor
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MrZentor
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If I'm scum, who's scum number 2? | ||
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MrZentor
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You all want me to prove that Yamato is scum, but you guys can't prove that I'm scum. All you can say is. "Errr, I think I remember him doing something that might help scum, soooo HE MUST BE SCUM." | ||
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MrZentor
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On January 10 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Jay. Possibly Yamato if double bus. Blatantly saying I'm partners with Jay would be far too risky. And the second theory is just as stupid. | ||
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MrZentor
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On January 10 2013 11:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: WIFOM. Die tomorrow please unless you can convince me of your Yamato - Z-BosoN theory. Just because it is WIFOM doesn't mean it isn't useful for proving I'm not scum. I would explain why, but you can just read through my Witchcraft Mafia filter for an explanation. c: On January 10 2013 11:40 Hapahauli wrote: Very simple MrZ - scumhunt or die tomorrow. I'm not putting up with this crap anymore. And, if I were scum, that's exactly what I would do. I would pretend to scumhunt. But I'm going to do something much, much more difficult. I'm going to not post, at all. I'm going to resist that temptation. Because a scum would, before getting lynched, spam the thread with their "scumhunting" in a desperate attempt at not getting lynched. I'm going to prove I'm town by trusting your choice of a lynch, something a scum would never be able to do. I think you (deep down) know I'm town, so I would suggest you lynch Yamato. I hope you make the right decision, Hapa. | ||
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MrZentor
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Yamato, Z-Boson How's that for scum hunting? I thought you knew I was town. XD If what I've done already hasn't proven that I'm town to you, nothing I can do will. You want me to scumhunt in a style that I can't. | ||
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MrZentor
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Also, Hapa, why are you making me do this? Finding scum is sooo easy, but it takes a lot of work to prove that they are scum. And I hate work. >.< You should just trust me. | ||
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MrZentor
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MrZentor
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And this post I'm writing is taking a looong time. -.- | ||
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MrZentor
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Couldn't you have waited a few hours? | ||
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MrZentor
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As town our main priority is to hunt scum. Unfortunately, we have had some trouble doing this successfully, so I'm writing this to show how I'm going to hunt scum in this post and why it is more accurate than how we have been doing it by explaining the mindset of scum. Also, knowing how scum act enables us to find other townspeople. The way we've been scumhunting is exactly how we shouldn't be scumhunting. We've established a certain set of arbitrary rules and said that anybody who breaks these rules is pushing scum's objectives and is therefore scum. The problem with this is that scum can still easily push their objective(staying alive while lynching townies) by obeying these rules. Scum can easily win by simply waiting for a frustrated townie to break one of these arbitrary rules, lynching said townie, and waiting for another townie to do the same. So if we want to actually want to find scum, we should look back over the thread and try to find people who have been careful to not break any of these rules so that they would remain out of the spotlight. Some of the Arbitrary Rules Townies Created in This Game (And why they're stupid) + Show Spoiler + -A longer day is always better for townie than a shorter one. Anybody who says different is pushing mafia agenda and is probably scum. (It's a fact that townies will lose interest over time if we make the day too long. Would having a two year day be good? No, because all the townspeople will have forgotten about the game by then. This just proves that there is a point at which having more time in a day is detrimental to town.) Also, it is extremely easy for scum to say that they want a long day. -Having indecision over who to lynch or saying that they would be fine with lynching anybody in a certain pool of suspects is clearly scum behavior. (Scum can pretend to have as many or as few suspects as they want, but townies have much less control over who they want to lynch.) -Not having a lot of "content" in their posts is a sign that somebody is scum.(It's extremely easy for scum to ramble on about why person x is scum; townspeople, on the other hand, have to actually find somebody they believe to be scum, which can be difficult, especially during the first few days. I.E. It's easier for scum to create what you guys consider "content" than town.) -There are a lot more, but I think you get the point. The main job of a scum is to survive. A lot of people seem to think that scum have to actively push their objectives to win, but that isn't true. By staying alive, scum is hurting town. Scum stay alive by hiding in plain sight; each of their posts has to be written carefully, because if they accidentally break one of arbitrary rules or do anything to stand out, they're going to get lynched. They have to always be on guard. (We've been lynching people who have stood out, but the scum are in the group of players hiding in plain sight.) Scum do not want to associate with each other; they only do it when necessary. Any interaction between them has to be faked, and, if they do it poorly and one of them is lynched, then the other will soon be lynched also. Interaction is risky, and scum hate to take risks. If you see prolonged interaction between two people that seems genuine, they are either town or exceptionally good scum players. Because of this behavior, there are two important things you should look for when deciding whether somebody is scum or town. ..-Is this person trying to blend in with town?Yes=Scum, No=Town ....-Are they being careful to not break any of the arbitrary rules? ....-Are they always going after popular lynch targets, while never bringing up any controversial lynch target? ....-Are most of their posts them rambling on about why a certain person is mafia, while never bringing up new points? ..-Are their posts genuine?Yes=Town, No=Scum ....-Are they ever brutally honest to somebody or themselves? ....-Do they joke or always seem at ease? Now that we've learned how to differentiate town from scum, let's put it to use by determining the alignments of Jay, MrZ, Yamato, and DP. (Yaayyayay!!) Jay Jay is a (kind of nooby) townsperson who has a lot of genuine posts; he makes a few cases to try to get his point across, but he also spends a lot of time joking. Some of his genuine posts. On January 08 2013 15:11 jaybrundage wrote: Also I noticed something about my town play. This is bad btw. I almost feel ashamed to admit it. But when I dont have much suspicion on me I kinda die in activity. So Hapa just prod me if i start becoming inactive. On January 07 2013 10:48 jaybrundage wrote: Im most annoyed that Zentor didn't really care about who he was mislynching. Frustrating imo. We had unlimited amounts of time to get scum. But instead cause hes impatient he wants to push things along and lynch a townie. I almost wanna policy lynch him cause i hate his meta so much Some of his posts where he jokes, proving that he isn't afraid of town. (Like scum would be.) Zentor has given me second thoughts by posting a post that wasnt completely shitty :D Good job Zentor .On January 07 2013 06:01 jaybrundage wrote: UGUGGGHGH Your terrible at your job hammer man On January 07 2013 08:18 jaybrundage wrote: WOAHAHAHHAHH I Dont like this at all...... like da fuck.... It seems to be moving way to fast all of a sudden. Although he really isn't that useful to town, Jay is far too genuine and carefree to be scum. And I like him a lot. <3 MrZentor Here's my filter from my last scum game. In this game, I actually tried to emulate my town play, but I simply couldn't. I was always afraid to post and joke, and without even realizing it, I followed the arbitrary rules that town made up in that game. Here's my filter from my last town game. Here's my filter from this game. Which two are the most similar? Yamato There are two main reasons for why Yamato is scum. 1) He is far too serious. He never jokes; he doesn't have any genuine posts. He plays exactly like a scum surrounded by a group of people who could kill him at any moment, extremely cautiously. Unfortunately, I can't quote his lack of genuine or non-serious posts, so here's his filter. I dare you to try to find any genuine or non-serious post. 2) His reasons for attacking me and Xatalos's lynch. Look at these post from Yamato. On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote: Mr Zentor He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch. On January 06 2013 18:06 yamato77 wrote: Apathy about who is lynched, less scum hunting than Xatalos, less reasoning posted than Xatalos, more trollish nature to his posting. Plus he's advocated the idea that we should limit our discussions in favor of making a decision on a lynch which is a scum favored idea. This is textbook scum behavior. He says that I am scum because I broke the following arbitrary rules created by town: 1) Making the day as long as possible is good for town, anybody who says otherwise is scum. 2) Not posting content means you're scum. 3) If you don't know who to lynch (which will come across as being apathetic), you're scum. But Yamato, like the good little scum he is, was cautious and didn't break any of these rules. Then he kills Xatalos. On January 07 2013 08:11 yamato77 wrote: It seems like other people are seeing what I saw in Xatalos with his case in Shiao and vote on CC. The dude doesn't really care where he votes, he gives weak justifications and has continually changed his reads over the course of the game on a moment's notice to fit his agenda. It's enough for me to see him hang. ##Vote: Xatalos That's fine and all, I had a scum read on Xatalos myself, but look at how he responds to the pressure on him cause by Xatalos's mislynch. On January 08 2013 06:00 yamato77 wrote: I think I made it abundantly clear why I wanted to lynch Xatalos. Contrary to DP's idea of him not changing his play to suit town's opinion being a town tell, I found it frustrating and ultimately scummy. Perhaps I was overly emotional in my decision to hammer him but I was fairly convinced he was scum. I voted after Zentor even though I have been suspicious of him because he wasn't the hammer vote like he said he would be. Everyone else seems to find him fitting his town meta so I thought he might actually have thought Xatalos was scum for the reasons I did. Apparently this as not the case because his reaction to the lynch was to downplay the fact that it was a mislynch. Obviously I was correct in my read of Zentor not caring about who he lynches. I thought that because he wasn't the hammer that it meant he actually had a scum read on him but apparently he just wanted to see a lynch happen. I'll be on for the next seven hours or so sporadically. First he says that not caring about what town thinks of you is scummy. *facepalm* Then he says "Well, I thought MrZ was town, so I sheeped him, but Xatalos ended up being town, so I guess that means MrZ is scum and he doesn't care who he lynches." He says I don't care who I lynch, even though I didn't even lynch anybody. HE DID -.- Also, Z-Bo is scum, but I guess I can prove that after we kill Yamato. I was going to also contrast how Jay and I interact, and how Yama and Z-Boson interact, but I'm lazy. | ||
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MrZentor
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MrZentor
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I'm pushing for Yamato's lynch. So the only way I'm scum is if I'm being bussed or bussing somebody. And there's really no reason for scum to bus in a game in which there are 2 scum. Can I join the confirmed town club now? :p Or at least the "ProbablytownbutIguessthere'sasmallchancehe'sactuallyscumsoIwillputhiminhisownspecialcategory" club. | ||
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MrZentor
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MrZentor
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Also looking at this im surprised that no one else find this to be scummy. When asked by Dandel Ion how many mislynchs Zentor thinks he can get away with. Zentor responds with two or three. HE KNEW IT WAS A MISLYNCH. HE DIDN'T EVEN ACT LIKE HE THOUGHT DANDEL WAS SCUM. Also he states THAT WHEN HAPA CATCHES ON THAT HES PLAYING DIFFERENTLY THIS GAME THEN LAST GAME. HE WILL GET CAUGHT..... HE IS PRACTICALLY CLAIMING SCUM HERE. I hope you know that that post was sarcastic. XD | ||
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MrZentor
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 It might explain to you why I know you're town. | ||
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