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Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
January 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#421
Wait really?

Strix (3) - Spag, Jamp, Omni
Jamp (3) - Syl, Corazon, Strix
Omni (2) - Zare, Moc

Jampi is currently set to get lynched due to plurality.
StriX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia42 Posts
January 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#422
@Mocsta
I did read that. Call it a test in consistency.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2013 00:20 GMT
#423
Right now, I'm going with StriX. OE's case against StriX has some very good points, and I think that we should reserve judgement on OE until we see what happens with StriX.

Moc, Syl has a very excellent point. If you are not willing to follow your own advice to others, how am I supposed to take you seriously?

OE gave StriX time to defend. However, you have not. It's not very fair, so I believe I am going to examine this case post-lynch, and StriX's flip will have a huge impact on my read of OE

##Unvote
##Vote: StriX
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StriX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia42 Posts
January 05 2013 00:23 GMT
#424
I'm satisfied with that outcome. As mocsta said OE's case is really a rehash. Being repetitive isn't my nature and it will become clear if you read my response to jampidampi that I clear up most of the points.
StriX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia42 Posts
January 05 2013 00:24 GMT
#425
##Unvote:jampidampi
##Vote: OmniEulogy
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 05 2013 00:26 GMT
#426
Mocsta's entire case against me can boil down to him not liking my thought process, and me explaining myself as I vote and search for information. It is not a lack of information or fluff about policy as he is saying.

It's almost like he didn't read my case on StriX or wants to even mention it. Why would Mocsta not bring up this case? It brings up very good arguments against StriX which he has not even tried to respond to and he criticizes me for play he made (much worse) on TeMiL. Why does he not address such an important case?

Ask yourself if Mocsta's "case" has been made attempting to hunt scum when what I have been doing all game is giving out my reads on people and trying to pressure with votes and gain town information or if its an attempt to save StriX.

Mocsta votes on TeMiL - useless vote, changes to me with NO real scum indication or facts. All of his "scum reads" are his personal opinion.

I could claim Mocsta has personally delivered very little to the conversation himself, he asks a lot of questions but answers very vaguely and does not contribute unless it has been on TeMiL or other players who have been lurking. He's been called out on it already and tried to sidestep the accusation. This is very easy for scum to do.

He has also conveniently left so he can't expand on any of his idea's further. His block of text says very little for so much writing. He claims no contribution when I have pushed more aggressively than some people feel comfortable with against Zare, and now StriX.

He claims that switching my vote from Zare to StriX is me not caring who gets lynched. This is simply not the case. Zare began to contribute more and as the day progressed he became less likely to be scum and as such my scum reads changed. I unvoted and went over filters, read through countless posts again to come to a conclusion. That is not carelessly voting as he would like you to believe based on his opinion. I say him voting for TeMiL and then switching to me is much worse than what he has accused me of. He went from a lurker who has not even defended himself to a player who is possibly on to scum and has been scum hunting and giving his input on the top scum reads all game long.

Mocsta is wrong and I strongly advise you to not confuse his reads for facts.
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Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
January 05 2013 00:28 GMT
#427
Please note that I believe StriX' most recent action is purely for survival. He perceives the stagnant state of the Jamp wagon, but sees new hope in the spontaneous Omni wagon.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 05 2013 00:29 GMT
#428
I should also add on, and I fking HATE to say this but I need to. If I am right about StriX and he is scum. This is EXACTLY what his scum buddy would need to do to get him off the firing line. Create massive confusion with an hour left in D1 and save his mafia buddy.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 00:30:18
January 05 2013 00:30 GMT
#429
Votecount:

StriX (4): jampidampi, OmniEulogy, Spaghetticus, cDgCorazon
jampidampi (1): Sylencia
OmniEulogy (3): Mocsta, zarepath, StriX

Not voting (1): TeMiL

Currently, StriX is set to be lynched! 30 minutes until deadline.
Just as a reminder, day 1 deadline will be at 01:00 GMT (+00:00), because of the performed YOLO.

All Vote plz.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
StriX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia42 Posts
January 05 2013 00:32 GMT
#430
Survival = bad?
It's weird also that you are basically saying with your vote that I lurk more than TeMiL.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 05 2013 00:32 GMT
#431
Yeah. I know I said not to make posts 1 hr behind.

Remeber this..
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091&currentpage=21#404

Took me 1 hr to make the argument against OmniEulogy.

Anyways, I am not available @ lynch deadline, as I am leaving the house in 2min.
I was set on TeMiL.. i asked the coaches overnight for advice on whether to pursue the scum read, or vote the useless townie.

The advice they gave me, I took it under consideration and along with the other points I identified, I decided to make the post against Omni.

StriX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia42 Posts
January 05 2013 00:33 GMT
#432
@OmniEulogy
And Mocsta is also a good enough player that he can use my flip to clear his name. As I mentioned before if he doesn't die during the night it should become more and more suspicious.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 05 2013 00:34 GMT
#433
On January 05 2013 09:32 StriX wrote:
Survival = bad?
It's weird also that you are basically saying with your vote that I lurk more than TeMiL.


last game I refused to vote for somebody I believed was town because I knew it would lead to a win. You voting for somebody you didn't have a read on to live is extremely selfish. You didn't even try to convince us of your read afterwards. You just jumped on me. It's not a townie way of dying. You haven't given us any of the information you've built. You didn't even make a case on ME because you couldn't find one. This is NOT town behavior.
LiquidDota Staff
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 05 2013 00:35 GMT
#434
Unfortunately I have to go now,

if you want to keep your vote on StriX.. fine.. but my vote isnt going there.

when he flips town, i would be looking carefully . VERY carefully @ jampidampi and OmniEulogy.

Is it not interesting with such a small filter, Omni declares jampi (slight) town read, and then sheeps his vote on StriX.


Spag/Cora.,,, whether you agree with me or disagree, we will find out post-deadline.. but if Strix is voted off, and he is town, you guys are coming under serious fire from me Night 1 (dw, i dont expect to live Day 2)

Peace OUT.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 05 2013 00:37 GMT
#435
I'll be back in 10~ minutes. Guys trust me. I am town. Cora/Spag if you guys have any questions that I need to answer for you to be sure please ask. I have nothing to hide.
LiquidDota Staff
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2013 00:38 GMT
#436
On January 05 2013 09:35 Mocsta wrote:
Unfortunately I have to go now,

if you want to keep your vote on StriX.. fine.. but my vote isnt going there.

when he flips town, i would be looking carefully . VERY carefully @ jampidampi and OmniEulogy.

Is it not interesting with such a small filter, Omni declares jampi (slight) town read, and then sheeps his vote on StriX.


Spag/Cora.,,, whether you agree with me or disagree, we will find out post-deadline.. but if Strix is voted off, and he is town, you guys are coming under serious fire from me Night 1 (dw, i dont expect to live Day 2)

Peace OUT.


Same goes for you if StriX flips scum. I've been holding off a case for you because I don't want to create a chaotic town environment right before the lynch, unlike yourself.

If StriX flips town, then I'm all for going after OE. I didn't have very many good reads, and OE presented a convincing case and allowed StriX to have time to defend himself.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2013 00:38 GMT
#437
On January 05 2013 09:37 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'll be back in 10~ minutes. Guys trust me. I am town. Cora/Spag if you guys have any questions that I need to answer for you to be sure please ask. I have nothing to hide.


I'll save my questions until after the flip.
Grubby's #1 Fan
StriX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia42 Posts
January 05 2013 00:38 GMT
#438
Seems the fire is burning full flame. You're very good at baiting me into responding.
I now believe the mafia pair to be Omni + Mocsta. Mocsta until this point has been baiting jampidampi into me and is using this vote to clear himself. Mocsta also very cleverly uses this out of character last minute post case on OmniEulogy to clear himself after my flip. It becomes even more suspicious when I mention IF mocsta doesn't die as if I am the one who chooses (mia cupla).

Be very careful of the leading nature of Mocsta's Question time. OmniEulogy is very good at rehashing made points.

That is all.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
January 05 2013 00:39 GMT
#439
Omni: Associate after flips, not before.

My vote will not go to Omni, because this has happened too many times in the past, where things get brought up in the last hour, and everyone rushes to change - causing a bandwagon that makes it hard to tell what the hell happened. It would not change who would be lynched, but it is better to be left fully analysed after the lynch rather than before.

My vote will stay on jampi because 1) I want to reinforce that he cannot continue posting once per 12 hours (exaggeration, obviously) and expect to get away with it. 2) For future votes, at least this can be noted for the future if that is the case that is required.

Also, just on this point:
On January 05 2013 09:28 Spaghetticus wrote:
Please note that I believe StriX' most recent action is purely for survival. He perceives the stagnant state of the Jamp wagon, but sees new hope in the spontaneous Omni wagon.


It is his only option, because he cannot vote for himself if he wants to leave, and so the only action is to go to the person with the most votes. It isn't necessarily telling of anything, because everyone would do the same thing.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
January 05 2013 00:41 GMT
#440
On January 05 2013 09:32 StriX wrote:
Survival = bad?
It's weird also that you are basically saying with your vote that I lurk more than TeMiL.


As a town or scum it's semi-expected of you. What I was implying is that while people see the vote numbers, they should disregard yours as it does not lay at the same place as your top scum read.

@Omni
While I'm deliberately keeping away from you, it's not because I don't see a case. If StriX had tunneled you instead of being scummy/lazy it would probably be your head. Don't mistake my abstaining from scum-hunting you as you not coming across as scummy. I would have been more than happy with a lynch on you, I just don't trust myself to find the townsign if it is there.
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