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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 04 2013 20:26 GMT
#381
@Zare its not a defense at all as he's not accusing me of anything. It's advice from me to him. He needs to get over what ever it is that he's holding on to. If you haven't noticed he's mentioned not getting along with me in several posts now and I've said absolutely nothing to prompt it. He even tried to play off Mocsta's question as "of course Omni will say I'm scum". If he really wants to take everything that way I'm not gonna stop him but he really does need to stop.
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
January 04 2013 20:30 GMT
#382
If you do have some analysis on something, please post it now. I will go to be in about an hour, and would like to hear your opinions before that.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 04 2013 20:46 GMT
#383
Alright, I'm not sure if I can get the whole thing out in under an hour so I'm going to make a summary for you Jampi so we can talk about it a bit while I continue to write up the bigger one.

I'll start with the people I don't think we should vote for in this lynch.

I believe Mocsta and Spag should be free of suspicion for this lynch entirely.

TeMiL and StriX I believe we should wait until D2 TeMiL I think is just bad town and I don't think a vote on him is the BEST we could do.

StriX says he makes long analytical posts. I'm waiting to see one. He hasn't delivered in 48 hours and I am most likely going to put my vote on him.

I believe Syl is in the middle ground and responded to the case made against him really well.

I have a very slight town read on Jampi. I most likely will not be voting on him unless something drastically changes.

Cora hasn't called himself scum twice yet so thats a plus he's actually been playing in my mind what a town cora would be.

Please ask any questions I'm doing a larger write up right now.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2013 20:51 GMT
#384
So, crossing out the people you're not going to vote for, that leaves Zare and a No-Lynch.

You've already voted and unvoted for Zare, so are you going to go back to Zare, or are you going to push for a no-lynch?
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
January 04 2013 20:55 GMT
#385
On January 05 2013 05:46 OmniEulogy wrote:
TeMiL and StriX I believe we should wait until D2 TeMiL I think is just bad town and I don't think a vote on him is the BEST we could do.

StriX says he makes long analytical posts. I'm waiting to see one. He hasn't delivered in 48 hours and I am most likely going to put my vote on him.

You contradict yourself here. On one hand you say that we should wait until D2 to vote StriX, but also state that you'll most likely end up voting him. Could you clarify?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 20:56:52
January 04 2013 20:56 GMT
#386
Votecount:

TeMiL (2): Spaghetticus, Mocsta
StriX (1): jampidampi
jampidampi (2): Sylencia, cDgCorazon

Not voting (4):, zarepath, TeMiL, StriX, OmniEulogy

Currently, TeMiL is set to be lynched! ~4 hours until deadline.
Just as a reminder, day 1 deadline will be at 01:00 GMT (+00:00), because of the performed YOLO.

If you don't vote at the end of the day, I'll kill you.

A backwards poet writes inverse.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 04 2013 21:19 GMT
#387
On January 05 2013 05:51 cDgCorazon wrote:
So, crossing out the people you're not going to vote for, that leaves Zare and a No-Lynch.

You've already voted and unvoted for Zare, so are you going to go back to Zare, or are you going to push for a no-lynch?


I literally say I'm probably going to vote StriX
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2013 21:26 GMT
#388
On January 05 2013 05:46 OmniEulogy wrote:
TeMiL and StriX I believe we should wait until D2 TeMiL I think is just bad town and I don't think a vote on him is the BEST we could do.


Oh really?
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
January 04 2013 21:26 GMT
#389
Since nothing big enough has come up, my vote stays on StriX. I'll now go to bed. Timezones -.-
Hopefully we lynch right.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 04 2013 21:47 GMT
#390
On January 05 2013 06:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 05:46 OmniEulogy wrote:
TeMiL and StriX I believe we should wait until D2 TeMiL I think is just bad town and I don't think a vote on him is the BEST we could do.


Oh really?


yes oh really. Just because I'd like to see StriX in D2 to see what he comes up with, I believe 48 hours should have been enough and I'll still vote for him.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2013 22:03 GMT
#391
You're confusing me. Are you voting for StriX or not?

You have him on your list of "people you're not voting for", but then you said you are going to vote for him.

Which is it?
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 04 2013 22:06 GMT
#392
My case on StriX.

Why he is my top scum read.

Syl gave him a very nice resume as Mocsta called it and made me look forward to what he would bring to the table to help us with his insight. However I have not seen any of it in nearly 48 hours. Perhaps a town StriX would make large posts and push strong scum reads however that is not what we have seen at all.

He plays a newbie card early on and on top of that votes for TeMiL and feels that after making that his only useful(?) post he should not be grouped together with him as a lurker.

+ Show Spoiler +
StriX Australia. January 04 2013 14:40. Posts 31 PM Profile Report Quote #
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@OmniEulogy
by the way - if you reread I was the first to call out zarepath on his no-lynch so it's amusing to me that you use it as an argument then call me out for contributing nothing.

@cDGCorazon
I shouldn't be grouped with TeMil.
If mentioning no-lynch is a massive contribution I must be severely missing something about this game. Especially after Syl brought up all the insight you bring to the game.

He follows up when asked why he doesn't pursue Zare with this + Show Spoiler +
[QUOTE]On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote:
[quote]Why have you backed off zarepath? I want to know rationale, you should have this case-at-hand if you are analytically minded as Sylencia stated.[/quote]

Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style.
Basically, he wants to lurk and watch his target without forcing his scum read to actually answer any questions... thus giving him no new information. This is not a town way of scum hunting. It is scum pretending to hunt scum while allowing himself to continue to lurk.
He also admits that Mocsta has fed him the names for his top scum reads at that point in time. No real searching involved.

We then have his take on Zare's case vs Syl and how to support/promote town play + Show Spoiler +
[QUOTE]On January 04 2013 21:19 StriX wrote:
oops forgot this bit

On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote:
(2) [Mocsta] thus, how do you propose to support town play?

At this point transparent observations are my strength. Aggression for me is fun and all but very often seems to lead to situations we have with Sylencia v Zarepath.


He wants to lurk as town and offer no helpful information himself and use information other people gather to give his opinions. On top of this he then criticizes it when it is exactly what Syl had to do to answer Zare's case. It makes no sense considering it is exactly what he wants to watch happen. (have people question each other for information so he can make cases) The only problem with what happened was that a bandwagon did not form on a possibly innocent Syl and thus as scum he had nowhere to hitch his vote to.

He also backtracks on Zare just based on the fact that he no longer things the no-lynch would be scummy without a good reason. Stating "it was a ploy" and that is all.

At this point in time StriX has moved to my top scum read and therefore I am voting for him.
##Vote: StriX
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 04 2013 22:11 GMT
#393
EBWOP: Thinks* not things.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2013 22:22 GMT
#394
You arguments have merit OE. I would like to take StriX's defense into account if he has one. My vote for him would at least be a saving vote for TeMiL, because it is currently 2-2-2 (TeMiL winning the tiebreaker). I don't think we should kill TeMiL off today, and I've said before that there wasn't much to choose between Jampi, StriX, and Zare.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 04 2013 22:29 GMT
#395
I think, and this is wishful thinking Cora, if TeMiL hasn't voted by the deadline you should put your vote elsewhere as he will be either modkilled or replaced. But only let that influence you as we draw very close to the deadline.
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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 04 2013 22:47 GMT
#396
##Vote: TeMiL

He offers no contribution now, and if he's replaced, that person will be even harder to read because they've already had a chance to see all of Day 1 and can adapt accordingly if they're mafia. We lose a non-contributor at worst, while still gaining info from the flip.

I don't feel strongly enough about any of my suspicions to start a new campaign, and I don't feel strongly enough about either of the other two alternatives to put my vote there.

"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 04 2013 22:48 GMT
#397
EBWOP: BOLD!

##Vote: TeMiL
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 04 2013 22:48 GMT
#398
I will now probably be gone until past the deadline. Best of luck to all!
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2013 22:52 GMT
#399
On January 05 2013 07:29 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think, and this is wishful thinking Cora, if TeMiL hasn't voted by the deadline you should put your vote elsewhere as he will be either modkilled or replaced. But only let that influence you as we draw very close to the deadline.


You also have a good point there OE. Thanks for the advice.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 04 2013 22:54 GMT
#400
On January 05 2013 05:04 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 04:39 zarepath wrote:
On January 05 2013 04:33 OmniEulogy wrote:
Also spag I only read your last post as writing this and I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you have this made up illusion that I have something against you because of NMM XXXIII. Get over it. You are trying to get people to think that we can't agree on anything and that our opinions will always be different. As I know I am town, I can only see it as a move to try to divide townies and get us to lose faith in each other, please stop or I'll assume its scum motivated instead of you dwelling too much on the past.


That doesn't sound like a townie defense to me. Please be less emotional, and there's no need to go out of your way to say "As I know I am town."

I look forward to reading your longer post soon, grateful you're not voting for me, and am working on a long post of my own.


I love how you decide to push OE right after he decides to back off of you. Interesting.

I have posted this in haste. as in, i read it and felt compelled to reply.

cDgCorazon.. i have no idea what vote trends are on page 20 yet, but seriously, you seem to have an axe to grind with zarepath.

There is nothing wrong with what zarepath posted, I read OE reply oddly as well.

If you can't see that, perhaps you are the one not scum hunting.

[HR]
as an aside, how can you even say i voted for temil out of laziness.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091&currentpage=17#335 (more so than anyone else putting down a vote.. i made an arguemnt, and even argued against it, still coming to the same conclusion...)

I placed proper justification, you obviously didnt read the thread (this is starting to become a regular occurance- should I be concerned about you?)
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