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On February 01 2013 04:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 03:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 03:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 03:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Somehow I missed this terrible post, most of which I've deleted. On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this:
Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games:
LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1.
PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon.
Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1.
I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game.
The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day.
Verdict: scum
Acro is being extraordinarily selective. Here's the final votecount from LVIII (town): On January 05 2013 07:14 Kurumi wrote:FINAL Day 1 Votecount
BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey Marvellosity (12)Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57 hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler tube(1) Vivax wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58 Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa- Day ends in 15 minutes. Here's marvellosity claiming in Paranoia because he got in trouble day 1: On December 02 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
I am Detective
now fuck off all of you. Selective meta picking is extremely scummy, Acro. Errr, I didn't even go over much of Marv's previous games, I just relied on HIM SAYING: On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.
You best be providing some good evidence for this one. Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never. -marvelbabe I'm afraid I took that to mean "being suspected when playing mafia". I did not read LVIII except for the modkill drama bit or Paranoia (at all, was simultaneous with CT and I was rather occupied). Anyway, so you're honestly going with the defense: Marv is only suspected of being scum on D1 when he's not scum. Worst defense since "Marv would never let me play that way" and you are honestly using it to flip that back and OMGUS me? Fucking lol./Acro Why is it the worst defence, again? Over the 8 games (i think) I've played as mafia, I've never been suspected day 1, because I'm very good at fabricating evidence and reads. As just provided, I'm suspected on Day 1 because I don't bullshit reads so it can look like I've contributed less as town. That's just fact. Your supporting evidence is simply that you haven't been caught. It's like a burglar being caught after committing 20 crimes without being caught and saying "well, because I wasn't caught the other 20 times, I cannot have been the burglar this time, because I wouldn't get caught". It ignores all other evidence that points to you being scum and simply assumes the conclusion. You commit an inductive fallacy. /Acro No, it's like saying there's 2 houses I like to break into as a burglar. For the first house, I keep having to run away from the police because I bungle it a bit. For the second house, I never have to run from the police because I plan the robbery so perfectly. The fact that I'm running away from the police in this situation isn't perfect evidence that I tried to burgle the first house, but it would indicate it. Boooooyaaaaaaa No, because the vast majority of the times you enter house 1 you don't have to run from the police either and you have conveniently discarded all of that from your sample. But I've never had to run from the police in the 2nd house... ever...... again, it isn't perfect evidence, but it does point to one house over the other...
No, it doesn't, because your fingerprints are all over the damn house. Now let me read Rock's filter.
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When is the attack deadline?
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On February 01 2013 03:10 RockHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 03:02 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 29 2013 09:04 RockHydra wrote:On January 29 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Also, if someone even dares to play a 0/X creature with no abilities, then I'll seriously have to consider "policy lynching" you
Why 0/X creatures suck:
If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer
If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe?
If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself.
If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you
If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you.
I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this.
I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that.
For instance:
I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now
Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom)My reasons for having 0/X creatures are completely separate from the merits of playing Mafia. They were selected based on the supposed synergy they provide for my deck. In addition, my deck was selected before my alignment so your entire argument is completely invalidated. I have 0/X creatures and I will play them because they further my goals, and ultimately the town's goals since I need my deck to function in order to do anything. If you feel the need to policy an 0/X creature, you're doing it wrong. ~Hopeless I'm headed out to dinner. Here you say they further your goals, which is presumably to play ninjas. However, the first thing you actually DO with them is: On January 31 2013 08:28 RockHydra wrote:
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I have no reason to attack this turn, so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't mind if cross pointed his goblin guide at me since I can block it with minimal/no repercussions (aside from a tapped goblin).
~Hopeless AKA keep them as a blocker. Why the inconsistency in play? I'm starting to agree with SnB here. If a creature can attack, it should be. /Acro I have no mana with which to ninjutsu anything into play. Attacking with two 0/3 creatures for shits and giggles isn't my style unfortunately ~Hopeless
Your earlier post:
I disagree with the notion of everything that can attack should attack. However, I would only accept that if you were legitimately doing other things, instead of simply not attacking. The combat phase is like the voting structure, so if you either don't have creatures, or you have abilities that you want to use instead of attacking, I would like an explanation of what you intend to do and why. In addition, if you cannot contribute to the attacking phase itself, I'd like input on who you would like to have focused down, if anyone.
You only accept people not attacking if they are legitimately doing other things. You are not. Why you contradict yourself?
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You know what the whole discussion of houses and burglars managed to do? Completely derail the discussion and bury my thoughts on Marv and SnB, as well as give them an excuse to be busy without doing any scumhunting at all. So good job on scoring another scumpoint.
Here are my earlier thoughts: nothing has changed.
On January 31 2013 11:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote:I was writing a play-by-play case here on Suck but the crux of the question is this: Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games: LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1. PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon. Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1. I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game. The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day. Verdict: scumThen we get this: + Show Spoiler [Marv's defense] +On January 30 2013 22:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 15:54 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I find these 2 consecutive "fluffy" posts of Suck and Cross where both come out of seemingly nowhere to then go AFK, both attack CH for (IMO) weak reasons, yet neither of them even mention the other.....weird, and that's an understatement.
/G Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this). As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment. Simply enough I was never going to post a lot this game. Last Magic game I did not a single thing, so this is me trying some  As for Aperture, I did the meme because I found what he did hilarious in its hypocrisy. I don't know how to judge it so much right now, and he'll have to be judged on his long-awaited scumhunting after the 'profiling' of the players that he's apparently carrying out. I don't really share my other half's suspicion of CH right now, although Acro is someone I'm generally extremely wary of being able to play a strong town game as mafia. I don't particularly like the condescending tone Acro has taken in several of his posts, but I don't think that has to be indicative of him being mafia. -marvelbabe This touched all the wrong keys. Marv is a good player, he knows when he has been contributing and when he hasn't. So why the hell bother making this post? It's a load of nothing in which he claims to have done more than he has, and in the next breath says he won't do much this game at all. It is NOT a post I would associate with Marv as either alignment, so we have to throw meta overboard (as with most of his play this game): in that case I see no town reason for making a post in which you claim to contribute, apologize for not contributing and fill it out with a bit of fluff. Verdict: scum
Marv's redemption (a bit). The only post by Marv that makes me think he might be town is this response to me "catching him out": + Show Spoiler [Marv figuring things out] +On January 31 2013 05:21 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 05:16 Acrofales wrote:On January 31 2013 05:07 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 31 2013 05:01 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I'm done reading Bin and it was rather unproductive.
It confirmed to me that Oats is all over the map. The scum explanation is as above: he throws oil on pointless conversations, hoping their ignition derails town. The town explanation is that he's a newbie who has no real clue what he is doing. Honestly, the former explanation requires Oats to be quite a lot more devious than I have seen from him in previous games. In CT he was also bullshitting his way around and making stupid posts. I have not yet read that newbie game where he was scum and got lynched D1, which insofar as I know is his only scum game.
MG brings up some good points about SnB (not playing to his town meta) and Marv (pointless theatrics, overdoing his town read on Bin), which I find myself agreeing with. Also, his MTG play seems town motivated, although I don't buy that he'd play the deck any differently as scum. He needs his lands out to do anything, and giving town lots of creatures is fine as long as you can avoid them attacking you (by looking like a super pro-town plan maker). I would like to see more in the line of his posts at SnB and less in the line of explaining how pro-town his plan is. If his strong card requires him to have 22 mana, he'd need to get that land out asap anyway.
This makes me null, with a slight lean towards town. Now back to SnB/Marv.
/Acro Ok, I am now suspicious of Acro. Unlike MG he knows my play and if he really thinks what I did on Bin is at all alignment indicative of me, he's either being stupid or he's mafia. - marvelbabe It was just something I picked up from doing my own cutesy QT talk. I might be overestimating you. What I realized while writing that up is that you used that as a reason for labeling him town. Now, you are a good enough player to realize that if you can make up a cute QT talk for why it makes no sense from a scum point of view, you SHOULD immediately jump to the conclusion that the same QT talk makes no sense from a town (hydra) point of view. That should lead you to realize that that whole interchange is null, not townie. Yet, you went ahead with your blatant town read anyway. Maybe I'm overestimating your town play, or maybe you are scum who is using his prior knowledge about Bin's alignment and your cute QT convo is exactly that: theatrics. In that case I wouldn't expect you to put as much thought into it and you might overlook the fact that a convo between the two hydra heads about the topic makes equally little sense from a town point of view. /Acro It means you fail at analysis, and you overestimate yourself. As mafia, playing a card like MG played is obviously a pretty big deal, as it has large implications and certainly seems pro-town. There really would have to have been a specific conversation about it if they were mafia, I think. On the other hand, as town, MG would just be playing this card because it's good for town, and the need to plan it out is far less. To me it seems pretty obvious that a mafia Bin would have talked this over and made sure they were united far more than a town Bin. That is why I consider it somewhat of a town tell, not a null tell. This is somewhat analogous to how in normal games, mafia players usually post and stuff by themselves, but for big decisions like who they're looking to mislynch the next day or who they're going to NK, they're going to talk about it. Now this impressed me for two reasons: the first is that IF this was a scum play, it was fucking fast. The time difference between the posts is 5 minutes, which is a damn short time to come up with an elaborate story like this. The second is that it makes a coherent train of thought and it seems as if Marv thought of this first, then jumped to the conclusion he came to, and posted his conclusion. When I then asked him how he had missed something obvious, he posted the rest of his reasoning, which fills in the gaps. Verdict: townHe then goes on to finding Nova scummy for almost exclusively bad reasons.
SnB starts off terribly and spends almost all his time posting about magic-related stuff. I jumped to the conclusion fairly early that he is scum and I know SnB fairly well. He is not usually as useless as this. However, as scum he is prone to lurk and when posting, do nothing of value. Verdict: scumHowever, while I find his defense against attack terrible, I cannot argue that it is terrible at first sight only: Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 04:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 23:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 21:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Additionally, Marv evades questions with a reflection, while doing none of his usual town play. You know what happened last time Marv lurked through day 1? He flipped scum.
You best be providing some good evidence for this one. Here's a fun-counter one, which I can actually prove: you know the last time marv was suspected as mafia on Day 1? Never. -marvelbabe lol yeah if we were scum theres no way marv would be letting me play like this At first I just raged, because Marv was making such a big deal about how they are hardly communicating at all and the lack of a QT. However, if they are scum, they don't need a QT, they have a scumQT. Whether Marv would be able to stop SnB from posting like a tard is a moot point: the new question is whether they would really not sync up their stories, if they actually WERE communicating? Verdict: townHis other defense against MG's case is pathetically bad, though. It's so outrageously bad that I am not sure what to make of it, because the case had some good points and they are all dismissed with offhand remarks. The case against Nova is pathetic. As Dandel pointed out to me: it's as if Marv and SnB pre-picked Nova as a target and then started gathering "dirt" on him. They shrug off Nova's case as not indicative of alignment (it isn't), yet present one themselves which is even worse. + Show Spoiler [annotated "case"] +On January 31 2013 05:03 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 02:27 Nova_Terra wrote:
I am not quite OK with revealing our decks, not for my own sake, but because if anyone decided to run life gain cards, they'd have little hope of avoiding scum targets. I'm fine with revealing decks, for instance my own, but I don't feel that it should necessarily be a requirement. this is silly, someone else pointed it out before, but life gain is so weak in this format that i doubt scum would be worried, still that could be explained by him not knowing much about mtg, null leaning scum a little bit tell. Not indicative of alignment. You even say so yourself, yet throw in a "little bit of a scum tell" for absolutely no fucking reason at all. Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 02:47 Nova_Terra wrote:
2 things before dinner:
I feel that ThePoster is doing a fine job, and has been attempting to do more actual scumhunting and pro-town things than the rest of us. Compared to CH, where I find that much if not most of the time he has been trying to explain why he feels that Minds Aglow is good for the entire town, not only for him. the second thing is related to this:
How is Minds Aglow particularly pro town? If we have to discard back to 7 anyway, I don't like giving CH 10 zombies. Why? Because if he gets 10 zombies before we can get anything that could even come close to rivaling that and he turns out to be scum, we're screwed. Thats like mafia having 30 kp, and we couldnt even be sure if he IS scum because he could just target "scummy" town players. kill 2 of them, and the games like, over. unless someone draws some miracle, that is.
sucking up to gonzaw, who has a history of being partial towards people who suck up to him (see last mtg mafia), this is scummy. also misunderstanding the importance of card advantage but that's okay because not everyone has studied mtg theory, this is null. not wanting acro to get zombies is fine but not a towntell or a scumtell/ Not indicative of alignment. None of it. Buddying ALONE is not a scumtell. It could be a sincere opinion. Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 03:17 Nova_Terra wrote:On January 30 2013 02:50 BinOnFire wrote:You must have missed my earlier post on the extended plan involving Minds Aglow. I'll dig it up for you: On January 29 2013 09:45 BinOnFire wrote:
To further expand on plan 1)
Cast Minds Aglow T1, hope to hit Collective Voyage (77% if we do all draw ~10 cards), Collective Voyage T2, everyone has ~20 lands in play for T3. Everyone drawing cards might not be pro-town, I agree, but everyone having upwards of 20 land by turn 3 is most assuredly good for us: even if the scum players can kill two of us immediately, it's still a 5v2, with a pretty clear indicator of alignment. Durr. Completely misread Collective Voyage. Heres the thing. I have a very low amount of basic lands, and from what i can tell, CH has none. what would this mean? Tons of zombies. Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that we would know who the scum are even if we did end up with 7 players left, and I would think that we may be in a similar situation (of not knowing who the scum are) then. I would agree with using Collective Voyage on a smaller scale, but 20 lands each? I think we're begging for trouble. The strength of town is their numbers and collective majority, all we would end up doing is making it easier for people who make one slightly scummy mistake to get killed. We have good minds here, lets figure it out. what what "powering up town is bad because town can kill people more easily and they might be wrong" the solution to that is to not be wrong. it's okay to oppose powering up individual players if you think they might be scum or if you think they are likely to use that power impulsively to kill townies. it's not okay to oppose powering up town as a whole. what what Weren't you opposed to me getting zombies for the exact same fucking reason? The whole thing is not indicative of alignment in any case. Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 07:03 Nova_Terra wrote:
Yes, i have a slight suspicion of stutters for his early posting, which is only slight as if hes at work it makes sense, and slight suspicion of crossfire for the reason already said.
I am not particularly suspicious of Aperture Science, as i feel they/he would be acting differently if he was scum. I do understand how grey's post rubbed a bit weird, but i think that it was less of a scum problem than a phrasing problem. nice jumping in to share widespread town sentiment without providing any reasoning. like, i dont see anywhere above here in your filter you saying that crossfire is scum or explaining this suspicion. Fluff = not indicative of alignment. Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 07:22 Nova_Terra wrote:On January 30 2013 07:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Not significant posting is indicative of them as players though, not of them as scum. In fact you'll find that stutters has never had a game of scum on TL but pulls this useless bullshit all the time. Do you think both of Stutters and Xfire could be scum? Who else do you find scummy?
P The probability of them both being scum and acting like that is low. I'm more suspicious of crossfire than stutters. I'm currently looking at Marv+s&b's filter, and i'm seeing things that i dont like. I'd love it if we could all take a look at their filter, because i'm not sure if what im finding scummy is just (marv's?) typical posting style or if it is actually scummy. Also, there is the s&b policy post, which looked to me like a cut and pasted prepared "See im doing stuff!" type post. With relevant informatiOn added in after, of course. ditto the above, way to not actually say anything. "marvs typical posting style" lolwut, there's no way you havent seen at least a couple other games from him, hes ubiquitous. also there's literally no explanation of what nova finds scummy about marvs posts so far. and how the crap was my policy post cut and pasted? except that its the same policy i proposed last time i was town in an mtg game? Zzzzz, 2/3 of Marv's D1 was not following any meta and was just plain lurking. The only game anybody has ever played where Marv lurked, he was scum. Your policy post was just flat-out terrible. It was beside the point, hashed together and useless. Who cares whether it's cut-and-pasted. How is this indicative of alignment anyway? Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 08:04 Nova_Terra wrote:On January 30 2013 07:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well Nova, who do you think could be scum from the hydras? I.e who are you the most suspicious of them?
/G Marv+ s&b okay reasons would be nice Nova says he'll post reasons from work. He then says work is utter chaos due to unforeseen shit. You then harrass him for reasons. Herpaderp. You could just have waited and if they weren't there tomorrow or so, then jump on it. Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 16:35 Nova_Terra wrote:
As i said, a analysis on suck will be forthcoming. Also i feel like many of those are self explanatory lolk Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:51 Nova_Terra wrote:
Hey guys, popping in to give an update, had a rough afternoon and thought i might be getting fired from my work as my boss just left the company and everyone is running around like chickens with their heads cut off. I still find marv/s&B to be the most likely scum, and i will elaborate on this tonight at any rate. I really need a cold shower and some food right now though.
well this sucks we should wait a few days before we kill him. good thing we have to. also note that this is only an explanation for his recent absence not for his earlier terrible and scummy posting. So in short, the whole case is bogus. Now making a bad case is not necessarily a scumtell, but SnB was under quite a bit of pressure to get some scumhunting done and it looks like they picked their target based on a combination of easy shot on someone who hasn't really contributed much and a bit of OMGUS. They then gathered "evidence" to fit the case, rather than the other way round. Verdict: scumPS. I know I just did Nova's defense for him, but he has already responded and the case was terrible anyway.
These are just my own findings from filter diving. Dandel is doing his own analysis (although we played some back and forth in skype). He didn't have time to finish, and can hopefully give you more tomorrow. For now, you have Acro's conclusions: is this a blatantly obvious scum? No. There's some stuff that doesn't scan with them being scum. But after reading the filter from back to front, front to back and inside out, I am still fairly confident that there is something seriously off with both Marv and SnB's play and the most obvious explanation is that they're scum, despite the town tells. /Acro
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And to clarify, the first point on Marv isn't scum because he always does such a good job looking townie, it's because he spent the first 2/3 of D1 doing fuckall (and you can now add another one for doing fuckall all night too).
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K, Rock's filter is nice and short and full of fluff. Of the two, my earlier town read on H1 has gone to a slight scum read. However, my earlier null read on Zebezt is moving towards the town spectrum.
I want to know how they are so incredibly schizophrenic, though. It's a great strategy as scum: Xfire is town! No! Xfire is scum!
So what's your stance on Xfire?
In fact, I am missing general scum reads, the whole filter is confusing in that sense. Lot of waffle, some town reads, but no pressure and no consolidated reads. If you had a 10/10 trample thingy, who would you attack? And why? Go.
/Acro
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Ninja'd. Although I'm not sure that counts.
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On February 01 2013 04:46 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 03:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 01 2013 02:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad. wait what? which filter have I been looking at, stutters hasn't done shit to me Stutters, imho, is one of the towniest players in the game. That is, imho a lot more valuable than SnB's half-arsed read of Nova based on almost exclusively bad tells. /Acro CH I'm a bit curious about this. In eight minutes I go from being used as an insult (I'm doing more than he is, which is bad) to you seeing me as one of the towniest players. Why such a sudden switch?
You're probably the newbiest newbie in the thread with a meta of lurking. Nobody expects you to do much. I was thus positively surprised by your contributions, this led me to do two things:
1. Taunt Marv and SnB who are two of the most veteran players in the thread, both with quite a track record, that they were being outplayed as a newbie.
2. When this was put to the question, state WHY they were being outplayed by a newbie.
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EBWOP: outplayed BY
and /Acro
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Okay. My play this attack phase has been mainly focused on getting iGrok, Marv and SnB to actually do stuff. It was a dismal failure and they need to be looked at again tomorrow. However, they're not the most likely scum in the thread.
The main reason we didn't post this earlier is because we really want Xfire to attack with his shitty little creatures, so he takes the full 9 damage, rather than being able to block and reduce our killing power tomorrow. We had no real need for anybody else's input on this, because both of us came to the conclusion that Xfire is almost certainly scum independently of one another's reads.
Xfire is scum and will die by Zombie Apocalypse
We went over his filter and noticed a number of things
1. The utter lack of contribution.
2. Defensive and apologetic posts excusing him from contributing.
3. Anger about the length of the thread.
This gave us scum vibes, but we needed comparison material. The alternative was that he is just a really bad townie with no clue. However, I have never seen a clearer meta case in my life.
In Xfire's town games (like PU or WLIIA) he contributes to scumhunting, is having fun and joking with his fellow players (as Gonzaw rightly noticed). What Gonzaw forgot is to look at Xfire's scum games. There are 2. Mario Mini and Newbie XIII.
Dandel's writeup (using just Mario Mini, but the same shit is in Newbie XIII):
- lurks/doesn't do shit, cites being busy RL as a reason:
On November 14 2012 10:54 Crossfire99 wrote:
I'd like to apologize to everyone for not being here until now. Real life's been crazy busy, and I've only now had a break to play some mafia. It looks like we're having a productive day 1 because there's almost 40 pages I have to go through. Any tips for going through it? I am planning on going through all of it before I post my reads on people, unless you think it's better to read it in chunks and post my thoughts on those chunks. Yeah I really want all of your opinions on this because I've never been so far behind in any game before. I mean this game has been longer than the total length of most of my games I think. It's actually kinda intimidating...
- asks the thread (=town) to do his work for him. wants to appear interested while not actually doing anything probably?
See the same post as above: "please summarize the first game for me"
- weaksauce cases Note that the second one comes with a bonus apology for not doing shit.
- being a (winy: edited in by Acro) bitch about his supposed RL issues (internet) here and here
Basically he was a whiny fuck about not being able to play "as much as he would like", in mario due to his internet supposedly blacking out on him, in mtg too lazy to even invent a reason, just says he's busy RL.
Acro adds: the post that we quoted in that list completes the trifecta of Xfire's shit that he does as scum and not as town: wine about the length of the thread.
In closing: Xfire is scum and will be ripped apart by zombies
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Zombie token feasting on Xfire's ribs.
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The giant image is Dandel's fault. He promised it would resize >@
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PS. Rootwalla is not attacking, because Xfire might block it on his stupid thing and then it'll die for no reason, whereas next turn it can be 3/3 and awesome.
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On February 01 2013 05:55 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:53 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
The giant image is Dandel's fault. He promised it would resize >@ yeah, you should sheep gonzaw, his case was way better than you guys. sorry bros
Have you looked at Xfire's meta? His town and scum play are worlds apart. This is his scum play.
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On February 01 2013 05:57 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
No matter what Appy does with said "analysis" won't matter
Most likely he'll post 2 more spreadsheets of them and post more "Class Tells", and no matter what he concludes with said analysis it won't tell you anything about his alignment
/G
And if that happens we can talk about lending you our zombies.
For now, we will eat the scum we're sure of.
~dandel
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On February 01 2013 05:55 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
PS. Rootwalla is not attacking, because Xfire might block it on his stupid thing and then it'll die for no reason, whereas next turn it can be 3/3 and awesome.
Just realized we derped and could have attacked Aperture with it.
We read the case. We are still more convinced with our own. But it makes a pretty sweet case for Appy being the second scum. However, while the presentation is slick, a lot of it is rather circumstantial. I can think of town reasons for igrok doing all that shit (although I agree it is not as likely as the scum explanation). I can think of no town reason for Xfire following his scum meta to a T, while looking nothing at ALL like his town meta.
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Especially as his scum meta is pretty fucking scummy, while his town meta is a contributive member of the town
/Acro
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On February 01 2013 06:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Wait wait.....CH, did you attack with your zombies THIS TURN?
I thought you couldn't since you "casted" the zombie tokens in the Attack Phase, not the Main Phase?
/G
? They have haste regardless of when in this turn they were cast. It's still this turn.
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On February 01 2013 06:20 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Also, maybe we should figure out how much damage town can deal tomorrow
CH can deal 11
I can deal 9
That's 20 damage, we would need 19 more damage to, for instance, kill both Xfire and Aperture?
Is this possible?
Also, if CH's zombies attacks go through today (which I thought it couldn't), then we need less town KP
/G
I am somewhat suspecting to only have 3 zombies left tomorrow, unless Xfire doesn't block. So we can do 9 damage. We also only expect to do 4 this turn if Xfire blocks 2 zombies on his creatures.
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On February 01 2013 06:25 Nova_Terra wrote:
Im here till main phase, if anyone needs me to answer something, shoot
How bout you comment on the 2 cases that are currently dominating the game?
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gonzaw not very good at math i see.
~smug dandel
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