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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
I know I'm jumping to conclusions...but damn that's what my gut is screaming at me. Before going to bed, I'd like you guys' thoughts on Aperture's "breakdown" from before. Do you think it's alignment-indicative? Do you think it's genuine/legit? Or maybe it's bullshit? /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Only marv posted a meme out of those...and that's it. Neither of them commented nor participated on those "rage posts", so I want their input Anyways, here's a preview of what I think of Suck. Here is S&B's filter from the previous game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=116463¤tpage=2 Here is his filter this game (obviously check the ones he wrote, not marv): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&user=297570&user=297570 Compare. End of preview. I'd give a preview of what I think of marv, but hey, there's nothing to post basically since he did nothing significantly at all so far in the game. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
 , I want these answered before I wake up though ):@Suck: Why did you give 2 mana to Join Forces, if you know CH will use his Zombie thingy and use discarded cards to put zombies? You basically gave CH, your "top scumread", 1 zombie for free Why is this? /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Is it just him apparently going against MG's plan? Suck, do you think he's scum? /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On January 30 2013 22:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this). I was responding to S&B's post, not yours. S&B never posted anything about Crossfire if I remember correctly, yet completely ignored him and went for CH (which even you think for weak reasons). You also haven't mentioned Crossfire in a while...do you still think he's scummy? What about his last post, what do you think about it? As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment. Damn marv, why would you post something like this? :/ "Hi guys! I was the first to post something about Stutters! That makes me townie right? RIGHT?" This whole post of yours is just a big apology and has "I'm doing stuff! Here this is stuff I did in this game! This convinces you I am town right? RIGHT!!!?" all over it That's not the town marv I know of... On January 30 2013 23:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I've said what I want to say right now. You're the one acting like a fucking dickhead, not me, dear. Answer this question marv please: Do you realize why people are suspicious of you and S&B? If you do, then some of your aggression is unwarranted and just derails the thread If you don't.....then either I expected too much from you, you are lazy as fuck, or you are scum. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Although he'd have to monumentally fuck up, unless it was their plan all along. Something like: MG: Damn, I am scum and have this super pro-town deck. I NEED to use it, if not people will obviously get suspicious of me Oats: I know, you post the plan, but I'll attack it! You go AFK so you can't defend it, but I'll attack it and convince people not to use it. That way we appear pro-town for following up on our "pro-town" plan (because you are pushing it), yet we don't actually go through with it because I convince people not to! Although these "scumQT conversations" rarely happen when it comes down to what people post. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Do you agree with this assertion? If so who would you say is the scum hydra? Bin? Seems you don't think that (and apparently you don't think CH and me are either) Aperture? Or maybe....Rock? /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On January 31 2013 02:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I just want that if people are going to call me out, they do so for legitimate reasons. Clockwork's "you lurk as scum" is evidently just incorrect, and I pointed out what I said about Xfire and Stutters because it's not like my thoughts aren't in the thread, just not as much as you guys. Okay, so if I call you out for not taking "leadership" of town, actively trying to hunt scum, or at least promote discussion to get info from people to find scum easier, then you would be okay with it? Or rather...what do you plan to do? You know you could easily die on T2-T3 if you keep up like this. Play to your win con marv (if you are town) Some of your posts gave me this "nah, he wouldn't post this as scum surely? He's too lazy to be scum apparently" feel.....but hey, if you keep being alive and you keep doing shit, I might just think it's a new very efficient scum play from yours. I understand that s&b have contributed/posted less than you guys, but from a personal point of view I was never going to be top dog in this game simply because my understanding of magic is rudimentary (yes, I play this card (haha, get it) because it's true, and I won't apologise for it). Nothing I post is ever an apology, and if you think so, then you really don't know my play :p Okay marv, let's get this over with ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!  http://www.ehow.com/how_2090329_play-magic-gathering.html Go on and read that, that's it. Now you won't be "playing that card" again  As for s&b, I can't really account for his activity. Well, I already posted his filter from the previous game (here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=116463 ) There he was active RIGHT FROM THE START, with setup discussion and the like. For instance, there's his "everybody attack" policy. In that game, he presented it, and stayed answering people's questions, discussing if it should be used or not, and generally being active in discussions about the setup Here, he just made 1 "policy post", and then never touched on it again. And need I remind you his 1st post was kind of "bad", as in it was just fluff and a rehash of what he said last game. Then he spends time arguing against CH's zombies....and that's it. That's all he's done. You can see the contrast with the previous game Not only that, but the attitude is different. In MTG 1 he started all cheery or enthusiastic, specially about setup discussion. Here he seems more "gloom", or not as enthusiastic. I would understand if you were a posting machine and "leading the way", so maybe he would get lazy and not do much (much like I'm doing with Prome ). But you aren't./G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Please....post who you think is scum, post reads, etc. People seem not very fond of you+Oats because you are not really the paragon of pro-town-ness when coming down to scumhunting /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
I'll surely have doubts about your alignment the whole game, and if you are town scum+misled townies will kill you (maybe resulting in a town loss), and if you are scum misled townies may ignore you (maybe resulting in a town loss). There's not nice happy ending with the way you are playing, unless somehow we find the other 2 scum very easily (if you are town) Could you respond the previous "scum hydra" question? /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
If you are not the scum hydra, at least help us get him. Also that's the truth marv. Or rather it's something I know WILL happen in this game (it's kind of inevitable). You can't just say "Fuck you just make a decent read on me, if you don't it's your fault", mafia doesn't work like that. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
This new post from you is the only time I remember you hunting scum to be honest What do you think of Aperture's play and breakdown? What do you think of Crossfire and what I and CH said about him? Anybody else catch your attention? /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
The 2nd scum could be another hydra, or maybe Crossfire, I dunno. Unless you want to focus on that "other" mafia? If so go ahead focus Also you know what's funny? That me+Prome sign basically every single post of ours, yet Acro/dandel, the guys that were so bitchy about hydras signing their post, still don't sign all of theirs /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Obviously the same approach doesn't work. For one, you don't have a "lynch" until like T3 or T4, so if you keep "focusing" on Cross/Nova, you will have to do so until one of them flips (again in T3/T4), thus basically ignoring the hydras until that time comes. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Speaking of which Imma cast BloodMire before I forget. Will check with Prome what to cast later ##Cast Bloodstained Mire: Put Badlands into play /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ? /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:41 RockHydra wrote: I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious. I don't think anyone specifically said there must be a scum hydra. It seems like you are trying to push the discussion in a certain direction without a good reason. Is it likely that there is a scum hydra? Yes, because there are so many hydra's. Is it unlikely there is no scum hydra? Not very unlikely. (12%) It is as likely a lone player is scum, as that a hydra is scum, so why look at hydra's only? /zebezt Well, I'd like to see that math of yours. I got that there is a 9% chance no hydra is scum, and that's if scum are chosen uniformly (I might have gotten it wrong though) Take away uniformity to take balance and stuff into account, and that chance is even smaller. Take into account that Nova doesn't seem to be scum, thus that the only way no hydra is scum is if both Stutters+Crossfire are scum, and that chance goes even lower and lower. Also lol: I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious. If I am scum, then what I'm saying is 100% true isn't it? I want to put attention on hydras, and not let anybody fly under the radar. Again (I've said this like 10 times), so we don't repeat what happened last game. I won't 100% oppose a Stutters+Crossfire scumteam though, if there is evidence for such. And I'd probably not oppose it after someone flips, not before most likely. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Yep, it's 8.33% (check the P(X>0) one, if you know what data to put of course) There seems to be a lot of shit flinging going on, still have to talk to Prome /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=255225 He does the whole "one-liner" thing a lot, and I see his attitude is the same. His posts don't show hesitation in my mind, or fear of post, etc, specially one-liners that have to do with catching scum or pressuring people and the like (not just setup speculation) His "some guys are null" comment struck me as townie. He didn't use any wishy-washy stance or anything as I'd expect (maybe say stuff like "I dunno he seems townie because of X but scummy because of Y" and that shit). Another townie thing that struck me was him being so "eager" and enthusiastic when I posted that "Suck and Crossfire's posts seem weird" comment. I don't really see scum being so jumpy on it, and immediately promise analysis on Suck. He's basically giving me the same feeling he did last game, and based on meta him not being "useful" is not telling (and may actually be a town tell...although I don't know any game he was scum in) /G | ||
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