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(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 05:31 GMT
#409
Oh yeah I'm gonzaw
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 06:45 GMT
#412
On January 29 2013 14:34 BinOnFire wrote:
I assume DontFear is Gonzaw for now.
The mafia creature is unblockable right? So putting a 'tank' like 0/1 is useless, which means that yeah I support the decision to play attacking creatures. HOWEVER, this also helps scum because then they can use their other creatures to attack the player they want to kill.

Im not sure that Im in favour of having to convince people in order to kill my scum read, especially if I can do it myself.
I realise that yes, its like a lynch.
DontFear, can you concisely say what do you think town should do?
/Oats


Scumhunt and figure out who's scum.
Then you attack your scumread, but you need to heavily justify it before doing so (i.e justify why you are attacking that guy and not another guy, unless you want to split the attack).

I don't want people saying "Yeah today I'm attacking X" and then AFKing or not doing much shit to figure out why they are attacking X. Kind of like what happened last game with some people I think.

Oats/Cross, thoughts on people?
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 16:42 GMT
#445
So, how about we all claim what our decks are, so we finally put an end to the "maybe scum has a [insert super deck] deck !?"

I have Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt, Grim Lavamancer, and that kind of shit cards, and my deck is based on those and on Unearth to bring shit back.

"But gonzaw! What if scum lie about their deck?"
Well it's easy, I have a way to figure out if they are lying or not. If a "scummy" player lies and I figure it out he's lying, easy scum kill.

If we know nobody has a "super deck that can instantly kill us" if they were scum, and if someone has that deck at least it's not Cross/SuckDeck/etc, then it's easier to discuss using Mind Glow for the >20 card plan.



I agree with some stuff said about Cross, but didn't want to "merciless" attack him out of the bat and wanted to see how he contributed to scumhunting.

@Aperture: who do you think is scum?

If I had to take a guess, Cross/Nova/Aperture/SuckDeck would be where I'd say the 2 scum are right now.

/G

Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 16:48 GMT
#447
Also I agree with that post above Aperture

By Appy
Someone can have 10+ Zombies out T1 if you play Mind's Aglow, and can swing with them T2, killing someone.


This may be true. A townie can get 10+ Zombies out T1, and swing them T2, killing scum.
How is this bad again?

"But we don't know if that guy is scum or town!"
Well why don't you try to figure it out then? Last game people did spend some effort trying to figure out if me+Nova were town before giving us the 8/8 beasts.
How do you figure it out? By scumhunting of course, something you haven't done yet Aperture.

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#456
Well dude, had Nova even USED his 8/8 beast last game I think you would have a different conclusion about this :D
The plan was use one on Grey use one on Matt, one of those was scum, so that wasn't that bad. Town derped by being paranoid about Nova after I died.

That "policy" is fine, except for when it's not. Deal with each scenario and situation as its own. There may be a situation where attacking with everything is not good. There are even situations where you tap monsters of yours for abilities and stuff so you can't obviously attack with all your monsters.
Also I have ways to deal damage that has nothing to do with monsters (Lightning bolt) so it's not a very accurate policy

Anyways, Stutters, Nova and S&B are all here, so this should get good, we need contributions from you guys

Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 17:18 GMT
#457
Clockwork, I suggest not getting into Aperture's back that much. If he is town, then I'm pretty sure a repeat of last game will happen (i.e everybody, including scum just tunneling him until he dies in D3/D4 and flips town)

If you don't mercilessly attack him, he won't have any excuse if he fails to scumhunt.
I still have my eyes on him though.

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 17:43 GMT
#463
Dunno, Grey got a little butthurt last game and didn't do much other than defend himself, call us stuff. He just said "Kill Zealos" like every once in a while, and that's as much scumhunting he did.

I take it iGrok plays similarly...? I don't want a repeat of the previous game, so I dunno, maybe it is "normal" for them.

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 18:22 GMT
#470
Nova, what do you think of Suck and Aperture?

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 19:14 GMT
#475
Stutters, have you finished catching up?

Damn you people, do something :/

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 19:53 GMT
#481
I'll add something else about Cross

On January 29 2013 14:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Also, if someone even dares to play a 0/X creature with no abilities, then I'll seriously have to consider "policy lynching" you

Why 0/X creatures suck:
If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer

If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe?

If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself.

If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you

If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you.
I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this.


I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that.

For instance:
I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now

Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom)


I don't like this post by Gonzaw (?) because he's saying people shouldn't defend themselves. This is like a townie who is getting lynched and not fighting it. You have to fight the lynch to save yourself and help town in the process. In this game, a lynch is like everyone attacking someone, so I think people should play their decks to the best of their ability and when we find scum, we all attack him because I doubt scum can withstand 7v1. I mean if scum can withstand that, how is this game balanced lol?


I put the "U serious mate?" thing, because it seemed to me he was thinking I was suspicious because of it or something?

I mean, that's the feeling I get with "I don't like this post by gonzaw". Generally when you post something like that, it's to express your doubts about someone's alignment, which Cross failed to demonstrate in this post and the following ones.

Also this post seemed like filler, or not that thought out. He concludes with stuff like "we should lynch someone by attacking someone, if scum can withhold that then how is the game balanced lol", which to me doesn't have anything to do with the "townies should not put out useless 0/X monsters" idea he was supposedly attacking earlier.
It would in fact be the opposite of what I'm saying. If we "policy lynch" people that put out useless 0/X monsters, then scum won't put out 0/X monsters in fear of the policy, thus it'll be easier to attack them or "lynch" them.
I don't get the point of this post by Cross, again, it just seems like filler so it appears he's active and discussing stuff.

Of course, him asking "simple" questions does not bode well with me, specially if he AFKs later and doesn't contribute anything related to who he might think is scum, etc.

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 19:57 GMT
#482
Like seriously, how do you put these 2 ideas in the same post:
"Townies should defend themselves from the 'lynch' "
"If we think someone is scum, we all attack him and he won't be able to withstand a 7v1 attack"

Like...if we think the townie is "scum" and follow the 2nd point, then he won't be able to withstand the 7v1 attack, so why would the 1st point matter at all?
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 19:59 GMT
#483
That's, at best, not thought out at all, and at worst a "scumslip" or contradiction.
In both cases that post of him is pointless, and even more pointless is saying "I don't like this post by gonzaw" that makes it seem like he's giving a crap about the game and finding scum.

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 20:02 GMT
#485
marv, do you agree with what I and CH posted about Crossfire?

I doubt keeping to discuss "policy posts" will do us any good, other than what has already been posted (for instance my commandments, you should read them).

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 20:18 GMT
#490
Well for me it's easy: Let iGrok be. If by the end of D1 he hasn't scumhunted shit then kill him (if apparently Grey will be AFK until D2)

He won't be able to hide behind setup speculation (like he has done until now) or under the pretense that he's defending himself (like his last post).

He promised he'd "be scumhunting" himself, so if he's town he'll surely follow up with that promise in a satisfactory way that'll convince us he's town.
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 20:21 GMT
#493
How about we kill all the hydras that utterly fail at hydraing? >_>
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 20:31 GMT
#496
If Mind Aglow is used today, I'll probably use my 2 mana on it.
Prome says he thinks drawing >20 cards is anti-town and every townie discarding ~10 cards hurts town more than it does mafia or something.

..I can always act behind his back though
(shhhh! don't tell him >_> <_< )

I have this feeling we can make the game easier if Mind Aglo is played, Voyager is played, CH has all his zombies and we are smart enough to use all our shit on scum.
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 20:36 GMT
#497
Also, if CH is scum and gets his zombies, if we all have those 20 or so lands we can easily fuck him up.
I can just cast 3 Lightning Bolts in succession, or some Reckless Abandon plus other stuff and get him to very low HP. I'm sure other people could do the same, specially since this happens in the Main Phase, before he can use his zombies to kill us.

I don't think he's scum anyways, so that's not that much of a deal.
Him having shitty reads and only killing townies would be a deal though. I trust we can all manage something so that doesn't happen though.

He can always just attack like 5 different people with his 20 zombies and kill them all lol

I think I proposed something like that in the previous game lol

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 21:44 GMT
#506
So Nova, do you have any reads that are not null besides a town read on us? (me? How does one use the personal when one is more than one person?)

P
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 22:01 GMT
#509
Yeah Nova, what about that Stutters thing you found initially?
And what about me+CH going against Crossfire? Do you agree with us?

/G
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
January 29 2013 22:03 GMT
#512
Sorry bro(s) I had one hell of a weekend, I've got some free hours today though so I'm here. I'll be here as much as I can, you know I just can't quit you.

I like where we are, as a whole town seems to be scum hunting instead of set-up hunting which is what Gon and I said should be our day one goal if we rolled town. I am not too fussed about using mind aglow today as long as we don't have to discard a million cards, I know Gon already mentioned this but I think forcing all for town to discard 20 cards is actually anti-town (once again it goes back to numbers, town is discarding 7 cards for every two mafia discards).

I have some decent town reads and I'm working on narrowing the suspect list so in terms of day one I'd say we're doing pretty pretty decent.
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
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