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On February 04 2013 12:51 Stutters695 wrote:
Not sure if you're just looking for his opinion or in general but I'd put Nova ahead of Rock personally.
where would you put you? What about ApSci? I don't want to hear confined opinions form you but broad ones. A whole list of scummiest to towniest is allowed too.
gg wp mg/oats
we're killing xfire today. Gon and I are discussing piling all our damage into our second highest scum read. Should we consolidate and flip one person or go wild and let everyone attack who they please? I'd like everyone to address how and why they would answer this question.
marv, where did your buddy go? I haven't seen snb in a while, is he pulling a you a la MTG 1?
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iGrok, is it that hard to read someone's filter?
Why do you have to "analyze" someone for you to like have any opinion whatsoever on them?
You make it sound like an arduous task, one that will take you 3-5 hours to do, and maybe take out other previous games from that player, analyze every single post of his for any little detail you can find. You also make it sound that hard by saying stuff like "Uff, okay, I will analyze someone, but only ONE! I could analyze Rock or Nova, but NOT BOTH. Pheww I'm getting tired just by thinking about it, so who do you want me to analyze? Also I'll spend like 24 hours before coming up with the analysis. To be honest, I don't know why I'm not getting paid for doing this" [slight dramatization]
Like....no dude....no.
You made only 2 "analysis" this whole game with Grey and it's freaking T3, and you haven't said anything at all about anybody else (only Rock basically).
Stop this dude, either gain some momentum with those "analysis" of yours, or just filter dudes, skim their posts, see what's scummy or not, and post opinions fast. Unless you are scum of course.
"Fast" being a relative term, since anything other than 1 opinion per turn (what you've been doing basically) would be "fast" for me.
Damn you are lazy as fuck.
You don't even need to make uber analysis of shit. You can be in the thread, commenting on stuff as it goes on, commenting on shit you find suspicious as it's posted, and all that shit townies do. If you don't have time to make an "analysis" that is.
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I recognize the above is pure fluff....but really this is something else, and I need to address it...
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So yeah, I'm going to sleep soon
You guys better state what you want to do with all the leftover KP: Flip 1 guy, flip 2 guys, or let everybody attack whoever they think is scum
If you choose "Flip 1 guy", tell us who you want that guy to be, or thoughts about it
If you choose "Flip 2 guys", tell us the 2 guys you want dead, why, and which one is likelier to flip scum than the other in your mind, etc.
If you choose "Let everybody attack", then tell us why, and why it is better than the previous 2 options.
I want to flip 2 guys. I think it has higher chances of winning the game now. If we suck and derp and kill 2 townies, then it would indeed "accelerate" the game, but at least the scum beast would have less impact on it. Basically, this being a double-lynch.
A double-lynch misslynch, followed by scum KP, is better than a misslynch followed by scum KP followed by misslynch followed by scum KP.
Hint hint: There is 1 less scum KP in there.
Prome wants to flip a guy as well, dunno if he wants 2 or 1, I'll discuss it with him.
If we flip 2 guys I want Aperture to be one of them. I have a slight feeling he may flip town, thus wanting to flip a 2nd guy.
We are having doubts about this 2nd guy, but me and Prome are discussing about it
I hope you guys discuss it as well
Brought to you by the Promethelax & gonzaw Administration of Scum Hunting Affairs, LTD.
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Also before you ask, no, I'm not scum trying to misslynch 2 guys and create a faster win or something
Just in case you reminiscence of Liar Game...
...although I wouldn't mind doing that. If we have a chance of killing everybody except me I'm in :D
If we somehow uber derp, we could do something similar like this later (if me+Prome are alive hopefully). Just have everybody except us+maybe Clock kill each other----> Town win (this assumes Clock is town, but if he isn't I already "caught" him with my conspiracy theory so I won't feel disappointed if we lose).
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I have a proposal that may seem "insane", but I think it may work. It has a slight chance of fucking everything up....but if it does fuck up, it means that what we are doing right now will also fuck us in the ass anyways.
However I think it has a higher chance of benefiting us, and could win us the game today.
My only fear is that discussion about it can shit up the thread, and maybe everybody disagreeing with it and getting angry and all that shit instead of hunting for the remaining scum.
If you are interested shoot, I'll try discussing it with Prome frist
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It won't work if we don't have the necessary KP, so people should get claiming it (I'm missing Rock, Suck, Stutters and Aperture)
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My proposal for today:
Today, we should kill 2 players. One of them will be Aperture, no questions asked.
Why? Because:- He is likely to be scum (for reasons bla bla bla)
- If he is somehow town, then I don't see him convincing everybody of that soon, and I don't see town not getting confused as fuck because of it later, which may end up in us misslynching him in LYLO or some shit.
I'll quote some wise words from my fellow hydra head: Promethelax
We kill Aperture today.
If we don't we'll need to kill him tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the next. he needs to die because we all have a scum read on him. Even if he is town we'll have no real discussion while he is around.
We then kill a 2nd player of our choosing.
Why? Because:- There is indeed a chance Aperture is town (for reasons bla bla bla), if so we should try to catch the actual scum as soon as possible, and hopefully kill him
- If we kill the "actual scum" (phrase I'll use for a non-Aperture scum, if he exists) today, instead of tomorrow, we prevent scum from using his scum beast today and we prevent the scum beast getting stronger, which may influence us killing this "actual scum" tomorrow or not
- If we somehow misslynch a townie today, along with a town Aperture, then because of the "double-lynch" comment I made above I think we are in a better position. Better to kill 2 townies today, than to kill 1 townie today, then 1 townie tomorrow. Scum's beast will be +2/+2 stronger, and they will have attacked a townie tonight (most likely me or Clock) or not attack at all, plus any factor we have from prolonging the game and maybe let scum manipulate us longer.
This assumes that any conclusion we reach about killing this 2nd townie is the same whether we do it today or tomorrow, or similar, and it's independent of any other effects that differentiate both scenarios; or at least it assumes that if we misslynch townie X today, then we would misslynch a townie if we did it next day, whether X or Y.
Thus, I propose we do this:
Assume Aperture will flip town, and try to find the remaining "actual scum"
What does this accomplish?
Well, first, what happens if Aperture is scum?:
*We kill him 100%, so no matter what we do, no matter how much we derp and accuse each other, no matter how much shit we fling and no matter who we kill or what conclusions we arrive at, we win. Simple as that
So in this case nothing would matter right?
But what if Aperture is town?
*Then at least today we'll have the insight of town Aperture with us before he passes away. He can push us in the right direction. If we assume he is town, then we assume what he says comes from the heart and all that shit, so we can listen to him. We also would have 1 day of advantage if we just killed Aperture alone today.
*We won't completely waste this day doing nothing at all, as if people assume Aperture will flip scum, which may actually not (at least not with the confidence as a Xfire flip, etc).
I know, this seems like a weird psychology experiment or something, but I want town to win this as soon as possible. Prolonging the game only benefits scum, since they have a super-powerful beast that constantly drains town HP as the time goes on and gets stronger and stronger
So, do you agree with this proposal? Why? Why not?
Don't forget to try hunting for the 2nd scum while discussing this proposal
Extra discussion:
The distribution of KP should matter depending on the 2nd guy we decide to kill. I will assume nobody will choose me+Prome as this 2nd guy to kill, thus our 11 KP can be used entirely to kill this 2nd guy.
However the other distribution of KP may change. A guy won't attack himself (unless he's VERY sure Aperture is scum and he's town), so we may be a little short on KP in this case.
One idea was to get another town read we won't kill, and let him use his KP. Clock could be a choice, since he has 11 KP to use and like...is very unlikely to be scum.
This runs the risk that Clock could be scum theoretically and we won't be discussing him. It will also be a massive derp if it happens, but a scum Clock could be found out in the next day in a 4v1 scenario.
There's also the problem of determining who attacks Aperture and who doesn't, etc.
If we agree on the plan we can all discuss this, we have like 40 or so hours to do so.
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I'd say wait until Suck/Aperture/Rock claim their total amount of KP today. If it is enough then play Door of something (or whatever)
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Zeb, why would scum be so open about the fact that he hasn't read the thread?
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Do you think that is worth the trade off that comes from drawing attention to himself and diverging drastically from his past meta? Why or why not? What would you do if you rolled scum?
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Well who would you attack? Personally.
Do you understand our logic for thinking we should double lynch? If so why do you disagree with it? If not what doesn't make sense so I can explain it to you.
Who do you, Zebzet, think is scum and why? No cases or anything just a two-second-synopsis gogogo.
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He has literally claimed scum in the thread, what more do you need?
Zeb, I still want to to answer my questions.
Nova, you should answer the questions I asked zeb.
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marv, you still think nova is the last scum? If not why?
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I didn't. I just wanted to hear it from you. If you attack Acro I'm going to make fun of you forever for being bad though.
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On February 05 2013 00:08 Aperture Science wrote:
Just a quick question, weren't we going to kill Crossfire today before attack phase by us forking a bolt or something? What happened to that
We still are, that never changed.
In fact we might do it now, or in a few moments.
Anyways Appy, I'm kind of annoyed by this so I'll just forget about it, and kill you, Prome agrees, lots of people agree.
No stress, no pain
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I don't want to spend the whole day figuring out which "2nd guy" I'll use this on, knowing Xfire won't die until I do
So I'll do it on Aperture
##Tap: Mountain x3
##Cast: Keldon Marauders, deal (KM) damage to Crossfire
##Cast: Reckless Abandon on Keldon Marauders, deal (RA) damage to Aperture, deal (KM) damage to Aperture
Come on Appy, kill Xfire
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You are Prome's
I just don't want to deal with you anymore. You could be scum you could be not, in different ways.
It does make sense that everybody else has a "townie" thing to them, that makes you scum by process of elimination, and a LOT of stuff in your play makes it likely.
Then again you are not playing "like scum" in certain manners (being this passive for instance), which make me doubt this.
You don't defend yourself against my case so I can figure out exactly what made you act like you did if you were town, and you are not helping in any other way so my read on you basically can't improve.
You are not helping me improve my read on you, well then I'm not helping you live...
Anyways when I come home I'll reread some other players to see who else we can attack this cycle. Apparently many settled on Nova, which is interesting.
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EBWOP:
*so I can't figure out exactly what made you...
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I never mentioned meta, I haven't even read those games you linked to me yet lol
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