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On February 06 2013 07:10 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 07:06 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Dude, in LIX the scum were like right in front of your eyes, and like half the townies were very apparent townies. You can't compare it to this game  Also of course it's not just not doing anything, it's all the shit that has been said about all of them. Not doing shit just prolongs that "null but want to kill him" read on them and doesn't convince anybody they are town. For instance, I'd say my Aperture case is valid, and you said it was strong, etc right? Well Aperture never defended himself against it, and (wait for it) he is not doing anything [dramatization]. That alone justifies my desire to just kill him. /G yeah, CH's defence of him was pretty bad. but there you go. i'm happy if you think CH is town and Stutters is town than town wins, that's what i've been wanting to hear from a non-looney for a while
Here you express confidence in Gonzaw's belief that town will win.
On February 06 2013 05:30 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Although I have to admit Rock's defensiveness about taking damage is odd
Here you agree that wanting to live for the sake of living is not a particularly townie thing to do.
Yet here:
On February 06 2013 07:54 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Because Prome/gonzaw explained we can kill other people today (people who could actually flip mafia) and I could still be killed off tomorrow if they're both town, which is just hunky dorey
You express the desire to live despite earlier expressing confidence that town can do just fine without you. You know who wants to live for the sake of living? Scum does.
If you are, in fact, town (nobody should believe this), then you should rest in the happy knowledge that there is no way AS, Suck and Nova are all outlasting Stutters, Rock and me. Die like a happy townie, or as a fighting scum. What you SHOULD be doing as a townie is finding us the scum to kill instead of you. But no. You want to kill other people, regardless of their alignment.
We kill scum Marv
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On February 06 2013 08:05 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Oh, how considerate of you, thanks
Anyways....ehm..
Clock, Nova used the exact same defense as Suck for ignoring my "case" against him, that he's "good as scum and sucks as town" (or whatever).
Does it mean Nova is as likely scum as Suck, more or less?
/G
Marv isn't scum because his defense is bad, it's because he was acting like scum in the first place.
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On February 06 2013 08:07 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
What? I've made it quite clear who we should be killing today.
Not my fault you don't read or listen and just rant on and on and on. *yawns*
Aperture Science, who has contributed to town goals. Something you haven't (other than giving Bin a town read just before the mafia creature conveniently roflstomped him).
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On January 30 2013 02:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Finally, a policy proposal.
I proposed this last game and people kind of ignored it but I still think it's a good idea. My proposal is to attack every turn with all your creatures.
This does a number of things:
(1) It's kind of like voting, in that it forces people to take stands they can be held accountable for. In a way these stands are even firmer than normal votes, since they result in lasting damage to people and you can't do a throwaway vote at your scum buddy.
(2) It gets damage down early and stops blocking. Since the mafia monster gets more powerful each turn, blocking hurts town more than scum. People should not block ever. If you have an ornithopter, it should be tapped and attacking for zero damage.
-snb
You going to follow your own policy proposal?
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On February 06 2013 08:05 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Oh, how considerate of you, thanks
Anyways....ehm..
Clock, Nova used the exact same defense as Suck for ignoring my "case" against him, that he's "good as scum and sucks as town" (or whatever).
Does it mean Nova is as likely scum as Suck, more or less?
/G
Suck is more scum.
The defense is the same as marv's, but snb did his version of it, called "I'm bad as either alignment".
So that makes him twice as scummy alone.
Add to that that marv doesn't suck as town, so it's more lies.
I dunno if nova is good as scum, if he's town this game, it doesn't look like a hard meta to copy tbh. Or he's delusional. Whatever. Not that that's even a big point.
I prefer killing the scummy liar that suddenly has a weird interest in staying alive after doing a fake ragequit just yesterday.
~dandel
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On February 06 2013 08:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 08:11 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 06 2013 08:05 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Oh, how considerate of you, thanks
Anyways....ehm..
Clock, Nova used the exact same defense as Suck for ignoring my "case" against him, that he's "good as scum and sucks as town" (or whatever).
Does it mean Nova is as likely scum as Suck, more or less?
/G Suck is more scum. The defense is the same as marv's, but snb did his version of it, called "I'm bad as either alignment". So that makes him twice as scummy alone. Add to that that marv doesn't suck as town, so it's more lies. I dunno if nova is good as scum, if he's town this game, it doesn't look like a hard meta to copy tbh. Or he's delusional. Whatever. Not that that's even a big point. I prefer killing the scummy liar that suddenly has a weird interest in staying alive after doing a fake ragequit just yesterday. ~dandel sorry, when was i a scummy liar? or are you just being hyperbolically pointless and bad again?
Marv, you should type
##attack Clockwork Hydra with Verduran Enchantress in the game thread. If you're afraid I'll block and kill your silly little animal instead of just killing you, then attack Aperture Science instead.
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On February 06 2013 08:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 08:11 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 06 2013 08:05 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Oh, how considerate of you, thanks
Anyways....ehm..
Clock, Nova used the exact same defense as Suck for ignoring my "case" against him, that he's "good as scum and sucks as town" (or whatever).
Does it mean Nova is as likely scum as Suck, more or less?
/G Suck is more scum. The defense is the same as marv's, but snb did his version of it, called "I'm bad as either alignment". So that makes him twice as scummy alone. Add to that that marv doesn't suck as town, so it's more lies. I dunno if nova is good as scum, if he's town this game, it doesn't look like a hard meta to copy tbh. Or he's delusional. Whatever. Not that that's even a big point. I prefer killing the scummy liar that suddenly has a weird interest in staying alive after doing a fake ragequit just yesterday. ~dandel sorry, when was i a scummy liar? or are you just being hyperbolically pointless and bad again?
Last time I called out your little lies, you were far more compliant.
You should keep your story straight. You EITHER try to buddy people up OR flame them. Doing both is just soooo wrong.
~dandel
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Yeah, I'm sure you don't bother reading the thread much.
No need to when you already know all the alignments, right?
~dandel
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The cooler head speaking here, who doesn't bother with pointless flamewars and just kills scum instead of arguing with them. You claimed early in the game that you are absolutely against any kind of chump blocking. Ornithopters must attack. Please put your money where your mouth is.
The sooner you do that, the sooner we can be sure you won't chump block something.
/Acro
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Marv, here's your lie. I myself wouldn't use the word lie, but you are definititely twisting the truth. Also thanks for making me go over the beginning of the game again, I found a GEM
What you said:
On February 01 2013 09:32 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:28 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways, we can go hunting for the remaining scum
Who here thinks Aperture isn't the remaining scum?
Also, who thinks that CH/me/Rock/Bin could possibly be scum in any way possible (regarding what's happening with Xfire and previous interactions)? Please raise your hand.
/G Well Nova looks much better now, I'm happy to get off my Burgler tunnel, even if it was the best thing ever. CH obviously looks much better compared to my previous list because of the Crossfire stuff. This obviously leaves a really large line where CH has moved up a lot as well as Nova, and Crossfire moved down. The first thing I did in this game was agree that Crossfire was scummy and attack Aperture. I'm totes an MTG master.
What you did, in chronological order (and cutting out SnB's trolly savannah stuff).
+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2013 11:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I have a far simpler solution though:
Those people that rely on basic lands a lot should provide the mana now.
Since they are the ones that want bin to draw the other card.
Those people that have nothing vital to play now, should provide mana too.
If you look scummy, you can provide mana if you want to look townie.
I have something quite vital to play, so I would prefer to play that.
And it's not like you can actually force people to do so.
All actions will come from one's own will and I don't like how you suggest the use of "force".
In fact, scum have a far higher interest in doing as you say, as their lacking board development can be made up with the mafia creature. And if it allows them to funnel town into policy attacks on scummys/lurkers, I'd imagine scum would follow you without much resistance.
~dandel marv here. s&b has been hilariously absent of late and was supposed to teach me magic and hasn't. I plan to nag him though. In other news, why are you telling mafia how they might look more townie? I don't understand the motivation behind saying what I bolded at all. You're doing an awful lot of talking about what mafia should and will be doing. Thread entry. Note the bolded part. For the record, Dandel wasn't, he was stating the absolute fucking obvious. + Show Spoiler [Dandel's followup] +On January 29 2013 11:41 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 29 2013 11:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I have a far simpler solution though:
Those people that rely on basic lands a lot should provide the mana now.
Since they are the ones that want bin to draw the other card.
Those people that have nothing vital to play now, should provide mana too.
If you look scummy, you can provide mana if you want to look townie.
I have something quite vital to play, so I would prefer to play that.
And it's not like you can actually force people to do so.
All actions will come from one's own will and I don't like how you suggest the use of "force".
In fact, scum have a far higher interest in doing as you say, as their lacking board development can be made up with the mafia creature. And if it allows them to funnel town into policy attacks on scummys/lurkers, I'd imagine scum would follow you without much resistance.
~dandel marv here. s&b has been hilariously absent of late and was supposed to teach me magic and hasn't. I plan to nag him though. In other news, why are you telling mafia how they might look more townie? I don't understand the motivation behind saying what I bolded at all. You're doing an awful lot of talking about what mafia should and will be doing. Merely stating the truth. What would you do in regards to it? In the purely hypothetical case you were scum of course. Also, you don't post much. What gives? ~dandel Irrelevant to the case On January 29 2013 11:49 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:41 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 29 2013 11:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 29 2013 11:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I have a far simpler solution though:
Those people that rely on basic lands a lot should provide the mana now.
Since they are the ones that want bin to draw the other card.
Those people that have nothing vital to play now, should provide mana too.
If you look scummy, you can provide mana if you want to look townie.
I have something quite vital to play, so I would prefer to play that.
And it's not like you can actually force people to do so.
All actions will come from one's own will and I don't like how you suggest the use of "force".
In fact, scum have a far higher interest in doing as you say, as their lacking board development can be made up with the mafia creature. And if it allows them to funnel town into policy attacks on scummys/lurkers, I'd imagine scum would follow you without much resistance.
~dandel marv here. s&b has been hilariously absent of late and was supposed to teach me magic and hasn't. I plan to nag him though. In other news, why are you telling mafia how they might look more townie? I don't understand the motivation behind saying what I bolded at all. You're doing an awful lot of talking about what mafia should and will be doing. Merely stating the truth. What would you do in regards to it? In the purely hypothetical case you were scum of course. Also, you don't post much. What gives? ~dandel I haven't posted much because I literally found out the deck s&b submitted two hours ago. In case you aren't mafia, here's a pro-tip: don't tell mafia what to do to make you consider them as townies. It should be fucking obvious, but here I am saying it. On January 29 2013 11:58 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:52 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Clockwork, why are you so behemently trying to resist scumhunting? You berate me for "try-hard" at scumhunting...and you keep arguing about Mind Glow and how you want 20 2/2 skeletons and some shit. What the flying fuck? Where are you scumhunting? Specially when you just mention in your post that apparently "finding the scummy players" is a big issue against my plan. That was a bad post marv: On January 29 2013 11:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 29 2013 11:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I have a far simpler solution though:
Those people that rely on basic lands a lot should provide the mana now.
Since they are the ones that want bin to draw the other card.
Those people that have nothing vital to play now, should provide mana too.
If you look scummy, you can provide mana if you want to look townie.
I have something quite vital to play, so I would prefer to play that.
And it's not like you can actually force people to do so.
All actions will come from one's own will and I don't like how you suggest the use of "force".
In fact, scum have a far higher interest in doing as you say, as their lacking board development can be made up with the mafia creature. And if it allows them to funnel town into policy attacks on scummys/lurkers, I'd imagine scum would follow you without much resistance.
~dandel marv here. s&b has been hilariously absent of late and was supposed to teach me magic and hasn't. I plan to nag him though. In other news, why are you telling mafia how they might look more townie? I don't understand the motivation behind saying what I bolded at all. You're doing an awful lot of talking about what mafia should and will be doing. What does the bolded bit make you conclude? Does him saying how mafia would behave, but actually not behaving like it make him mafia or town? Neither perhaps? If so why did you decide to waste your post to point that out? It wasn't a bad post at all. It was a good post. It's not my fault if you're too stupid to comprehend this. The intentions behind my post were perfectly clear. I find it suspicious. Wait.. WHAT? Telling mafia what to do is suspicious? So telling mafia what to do makes you... mafia? Imagine that! Stop! Dandel! You are giving yourself ideas you would otherwise never have had! A badtell? Hell yes. If Dandel had actually been telling mafia a non-obvious thing they could do to make themselves look townie, this would be bad. But how is it suspicious? I'll tell you how: scum Marv didn't think this through, saw someone make a bad play and tried to cash in on it for some cheap scumhunting points. Now, on with what I was actually doing. The first thing you did in the thread was clearly not to "agree" with a crossfire case, because there wasn't even a crossfire case. The first thing you did was also not to attack Aperture, but rather to attack Clockwork. Lets continue. There's quite a bit more on the above little thing, and a load of fluff. Then come the second and third "things" he does in the thread: + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2013 12:15 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 12:07 RockHydra wrote:On January 29 2013 12:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 29 2013 12:04 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:On January 29 2013 12:01 BinOnFire wrote:
What pressure? IT WAS 1 post.
Actually I think minds aglow helps everybody, not just town. So why wont 'scummy' people contribute mana? Then they can start actually 1 shotting people. He called him out on something, CW posted something that in my mind wouldn't really satisfy that thing he pointed out, and instantly marv just dropped the whole thing with the "okay, but in case you aren't mafia pro-tip here: bla bla".
That's pressuring someone, then instantly dropping the pressure when it's not really unneeded. Also, I may be "awfully quick" to attack marv, but you are awfully quick to defend him. If you're reading it this way, you're reading it wrong. Perhaps, but at the moment he's the try-hardiest of us all. Are you suspicious of ThePoster marv, or just depressed about the level of play he's exhibiting? No, he seems to be posting too much to be mafia right now. I mean, he could be trying to take some weird control as mafia, but probably not. Second thing he does is give a town read on Poster. On January 30 2013 05:00 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:48 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 04:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro Put it this way, Artanis didn't even really know we were hydraing until after the game started, and didn't know our hydra name (nor did I). Great, you're around. Find me some scum. All you've really done is make a really weak pressure post against us for "giving scum a recipe on looking townie" when you are better than that: it was blatantly obvious that going along with something that had gotten a "pro-town plan" stamp of approval could be used to gain town credit. Stating the obvious is not giving scum a recipe, it's stating the obvious. Your pressure was weaksauce and you spent like 5 posts arguing about it. You're better than that. Now stop playing LIX and pay attention here. Who's scum? /Acro well that attitude isn't going to get you anywhere, dear. what did you think of s&b's policy post? Ignores scumhunting in favour of deflection. Finally, the 4th thing he does is to agree with the Xfire case and "attack" AS (if this pressure can be called an attack): + Show Spoiler [post] +On January 30 2013 05:08 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:02 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
marv, do you agree with what I and CH posted about Crossfire?
I doubt keeping to discuss "policy posts" will do us any good, other than what has already been posted (for instance my commandments, you should read them).
/G Yeah, I can't add too much more to what's been said about Crossfire, I generally agree. I especially noted how Crossfire called himself a magic noob (like me) but then proceeded to wade in with some strange Magic waffle (unlike me). I'm also not sure whether iGrok is on menopause, or maybe mafia: Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:12 Aperture Science wrote:On January 29 2013 10:10 BinOnFire wrote:On January 29 2013 10:07 Aperture Science wrote:
So, Mind's Aglow looks completely useless. Awesome.
Scumhunting is in Flavor. Magic Discussion is not. It's an investment for turn 3 - the details are on the last page, if you didn't catch them. What else would you be doing this turn, anyways? I'd be scumhunting.I don't want to draw 1/3 of my deck T1. Anyone running Mill is going to have a field day with the rest of us. (I'm not claiming MILLER - haha, get it?) Given he said this, all he's done is shout at people. This post from Grey rubbed me the wrong way, although I'm not sure how warranted I am to think so: Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 03:47 Aperture Science wrote:
Still in Italy and can't post much. I'm trying to keep up and told iGrok to stop trolling. But that's kinda like telling cave Johnson to stop with the prerecord messages. Thats just how he usually starts.
I will be able to post normally again in about 3 days. It's good to finally play a themed game again.
-Grey Like, gosh guys, I'm so excited to be playing, except I can't play for another 3 days yet, so definitely keep me around till then guys, right? However, that thing he is so proud of? He recants the suspicion on his scumbuddy about 24 hours later: + Show Spoiler [xfire not scum] +On January 31 2013 04:33 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 04:22 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Yo S&B, what do you think of Xfire?
Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ?
/G crossfire seems overwhelmed. legitimate reaction for someone who doesnt know mtg and doesnt have a partner to ask about it. his big post about ch is interesting. hes right that theres a contradiction in the first two posts he identifies, but the contradiction is completely explainable by ch reacting differently towards crossfire (relative noob) and igrok (very vet), ch took the same question seriously from igrok. i dont see scum motivation in that contradiction, and (to both his blame (bad townie play) and credit (at least he didnt try to make up some bullshit)) crossfire doesnt explain the possible scum motivation at all. however, in his second point he is kind of pointing out a contradiction that does have scum motivation. the quotes that he has from ch do seem to indicate "beware of giving any one person too much power" "oh wait i mean, unless its me lol". everything else in his filter is either self defense or just expressing being overwhelmed. i guess i like that he tried to do some analysis anyway. overall conclusion: possible scum? hes doing a lot of defense and "oh me oh my" ing but otoh this is a fast paced game with weird ass mechanics where we are all talking about the mechanics all the time. id wait a few days before lynching him to give him a chance to feel less overwhelmed. good thing we can't lynch anyone today anyway. And THAT is his official opinion until Xfire claims scum.
TLDR: claims he "agreed" with the Xfire case, whereas he actually spent the important part (attack phase, where we could actually do damage to scumspects) of T1 claiming Xfire was newbie town, not scum.
Gem: telling mafia what to do is a badtell, not a scumtell. Marv is a veteran and knows that, yet he was suspicious of Dandel for "telling mafia what to do". That's because scum Marv wanted to quickly cash in on some bad play and discredit a townie in the process.
Scum Marv must die
/Acro
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On February 06 2013 09:47 Acrofales wrote:1. + Show Spoiler [here] +On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
This game's looking quite decent. In order of towniness:
gonz/Prome - blates town
me/s&b - town too. slightly less town than gonz because i haven't seen our role PM even though s&b promises we're town
Binonfire - Minds Aglow totes pro-town, Oats being silly with it also probably town
Hopeless/zebeszt - probably townish too, posts don't show any fear (lol)
Stutters - let's call this dude town for now, seems kinda interested
Acro/dand - have hardons for calling me mafia, but maybe they just like that sort of thing. Decent case on Crossfire, although if I was lynching for meta, I'd be lynching s&b. Crossfire seems a good deal more interested than he was in... Mario Mafia as scum.
Crossfire - see above, could still be mafia
Nova - scummy, see awesome burgler case
Aperture - kill it with fire! see also awesome gonzaw case. The more I think about it the less I like how iGrok declared Bin scummy because Oats was disagreeing with MG on Minds Aglow. Seems really superficial.
Ta-da! is you parroting SnB's earlier stated opinion (although a lot later in the day). I think we can take it as a given that you and SnB talked this over, but he made the post, not you. 2. But that's not at all what you said. You said it was suspicious that he was telling mafia what to do. Not that it was suspicious that he had made a load of posts that looked like they were contributing but weren't. 3. Giving generic advice isn't a scumtell unless it's your only contribution quite a bit further into the game. Otherwise 99% of TL Mafia is looking suspicious in the first 12 hours of a game. Your problem was also clearly not with it being generic advice. Your problem was that giving mafia advice on how to look townie was suspicious. PS. Putting stuff in red is awesome and you'll never stop me.
On February 06 2013 09:48 Acrofales wrote:
Are you going to attack? Or chump block?
Zzzzzzzz
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Arguing with scum is pointless.
Are you going to attack or chump block?
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On February 06 2013 09:56 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
lol are you really this braindead acro
you're adorable
I'm going to take that as "I'm chump blocking"
Plan:
8 damage worth of zombies stomps Suck.
6 damage worth of ball lightning stomps Suck.
2 damage worth of ninja stomps Suck.
4 damage from Nova's instants attack Suck.
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20 damage total, of which 2 can be blocked. Suck is tapped out, so no shenanigans are possible.
Stutters: please stand by if Rock attacks someone else with his ninja.
The rest of the damage is unfortunately not enough to kill anybody (due to chump blocking occurring), so please keep it in reserve until the above list of things has happened. Then I guess, attack who you wish.
/Acro
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I'll take his word over yours, chump blocker.
Nova said he was cool with the plan.
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I have more than I want to count right now. It's hard to plan out, though, as it depends on some stuff.
PS. Don't you have 8? Unearth Ball Lightning and do 2 damage with Grim Lavamancer?
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On February 06 2013 10:34 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
From what I calculated, we just need 23 KP from Clock+Stutters+guys that are alive except me/Prome (or less if we draw something else)
/G
That will not be a problem. We can deal 23 by ourselves.
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On February 06 2013 10:35 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
well, i'm sure i must have some KP to use by now anyway
Yes, although I don't know your hand, you can "go off" tomorrow, dealing well over 20 damage, which is one of the reasons YOU need to die today. The main reason, though, is because you're scum.
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On February 06 2013 10:38 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 10:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 06 2013 10:34 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
From what I calculated, we just need 23 KP from Clock+Stutters+guys that are alive except me/Prome (or less if we draw something else)
/G That will not be a problem. We can deal 23 by ourselves. WTF? Since when?
Since tomorrow. Today we can do 11.
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It's not like we can just dump 12 damage on a single target. It doesn't work like that and we'll still have to be careful. But 1. the game ends today when Suck dies and 2. if it doesn't end today, it ends tomorrow when AS, Nova and Rock die. The only things that Dandel and I saw that can screw up this plan are AS going off or a global card that completely fucks town over (like.. even worse than the previous board card)
Also, after that my deck will be pretty much spent and it'll take me aeons to rebuild, so if you are scum, Stutters better be able to kill you on T5 
/Acro
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Of course, we concocted the plan assuming Suck dies today. If suck doesn't die today, him going off will screw up the plan.
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