EPTI think Artanis could have made that clearer at some point, but well
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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I think Artanis could have made that clearer at some point, but well /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Please make a case in TL format, not that spreadsheet stuff Also...I'd say that forcing us to see you making the analysis may not be the best thing? Seems unnatural with how every mafia game is made, and seems to be more like IRC mafia than forum mafia. It does raise me the question if you'd do that as scum...? We can check your thought process and exactly how you are making the analysis, even if most of it is mechanical. If Stutters is town you have to find incriminating stuff about him, which can make you slip as scum and thus fuck up while everybody is seeing your scumslip (like pointing out "incriminating" stuff that's obviously not in an attempt to frame him, but we see it before you can correct it). Don't really know what to think of that. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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It's why everybody says "There must be a vet in the scumteam" in every single big game, and they just go assuming that. If some host goes "against the flow" and doesn't follow that I think it'd be nice to clearly point it out so there are no misunderstandings. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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He spent most of T1 Attack Phase implying Rock was that scum, and next Suck. Now that Aperture "attacked" him, he OMGUSed, even when he said Aperture was likely town, and he was not even convinced by my case (like....my case was super awesome and persuasive, if he was starting to get suspicious of Aperture it should have been there). On February 01 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote: The case against aperture is good however two things concern me about it. First is your timing although this is a very minor point because with how few attackers there are. You said in your case that you had already given him extra time so why not post it twelve hours into the phase instead of less than an hour before the deadline? The other is that we still haven't seen grey and earlier you guys made it sound like iGrok trolls early. I'd have to check his meta for that but I don't have the time at the moment. I'll look into it, but I think cross is so obviously scum he must die first. So what is it? Is Appy 2nd scum? If so, what do you agree about my case, and what did exactly not convince you, and how did that change if it changed at all? What about Suck and Rock? They are town then? Care to explain why they are town then? Remember, if you think 1 guy is scum then everybody else is town, and that changes some reads drastically at times I want to see how they change yours. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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On February 02 2013 12:22 Aperture Science wrote: P.S. I also haven't seen what GreY has done so I can't comment on his stuff. It's right next to your stuff in the spreadsheet, how did you miss it?  So Aperture, what about Nova and Rock? Just skim their filter, don't do a super uber detailed analysis. Tell me your "gut feeling" about them, and why your gut on Stutters is stronger than they are. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Just seeing a +8 or -1 doesn't tell us anything about what you actually feel about those or the thought process you have behind those 2 "gut feelings" /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Yet on another one you put "Can you please post an opinion once?" +1 Why is exactly the 1st one +7 and the other one +1 ? Why is that contradiction scummier times 7, instead of maybe a change of mind or townie mistake, while not contributing nor scumhunting like in the 2nd one is just +1 ? Etc for the rest of the posts basically, or his play in general /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Please do so /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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On February 02 2013 12:27 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: It's right next to your stuff in the spreadsheet, how did you miss it? So Aperture, what about Nova and Rock? Just skim their filter, don't do a super uber detailed analysis. Tell me your "gut feeling" about them, and why your gut on Stutters is stronger than they are. /G On February 02 2013 12:52 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: You say "Blatant Contradiction bla bla bla" +7 Yet on another one you put "Can you please post an opinion once?" +1 Why is exactly the 1st one +7 and the other one +1 ? Why is that contradiction scummier times 7, instead of maybe a change of mind or townie mistake, while not contributing nor scumhunting like in the 2nd one is just +1 ? Etc for the rest of the posts basically, or his play in general /G On February 02 2013 11:30 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Nova should be free to step on the "Who is the 2nd scum?" discussion as well, I haven't seen him in it in like ever /G On February 02 2013 11:26 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I'd really like to see what Stutters has to say, and see him make a stance and analysis on who he thinks is the 2nd scum He spent most of T1 Attack Phase implying Rock was that scum, and next Suck. Now that Aperture "attacked" him, he OMGUSed, even when he said Aperture was likely town, and he was not even convinced by my case (like....my case was super awesome and persuasive, if he was starting to get suspicious of Aperture it should have been there). So what is it? Is Appy 2nd scum? If so, what do you agree about my case, and what did exactly not convince you, and how did that change if it changed at all? What about Suck and Rock? They are town then? Care to explain why they are town then? Remember, if you think 1 guy is scum then everybody else is town, and that changes some reads drastically at times I want to see how they change yours. /G /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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I'm discussing it with Prome first, but I want to see if you guys figure it out. Plus another thing interesting about him and his scumbuddy most likely /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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I know I already asked this, but it shouldn't be that hard from you to do so. /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Now you 2 answer the other questions | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Here I'll make it short for you: 1)Are you angry at me+Prome "spammin" the thread and shit now? We have a 17 page filter, is this "ruining your fun" or not? Is it different than the time we were "ruining your fun" earlier in T1? Why? 2)Wtf happened to your read of Bin ever since you attacked him on T1 Main Phase, up until this T2? 3)When you raged against me and Prome, why the hell did you attack Stutters and other people that had nothing to do with your rage at all? I can't remember anything that might need a direct response from you....but for fucks sake go read the case and defend yourself, this is ridiculous /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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I don't know what to do with you iGrok, I really don't /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Specially the "small" questions I made to "simplify" what I wanted you to answer yet you ignored as well Do the "scumhunting logical version" defense of my case please, at least in passing, at least the bit about your read on Bin, I dunno...anything other than "I react bad to pressure" and "I was stressed and busy" /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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1)Yesterday he didn't attack with his 3 damage, nor defend himself against Clock's zombies. You might say he didn't defend so he'd have his shaman to do shit, but he could have defended with the goblin, specially since it relates to my next point. Also, since he did ninja-cast last day, I assume he was active in the Attack Phase at some point. I don't know if to believe his IRL busy shit or believe he was lurking every now and then. Even so he could have attacked with his 3 KP when he was active (if as scum he knew he wouldn't be active). It's weird how he didn't attack Clock, his "scumread" he was so pushing when he freaked out at me, which would be 3 free damage to a townie by scum. Unless he thought Clock would block with zombie tokens and destroy his Shaman? Dunno 2)As soon as this T2 started, Xfire claimed scum with the Soul Syphon and stuff. This was WAY too sudden if Soul Syphon was the card he drew this T2, you don't plan to out yourself as scum in 10 seconds like that after receiving that card. My point: Xfire and scum planned Xfire outing himself ever since the T1 Attack Phase, already having drawn Soul Syphon and maybe Soul Warden with Minds Aglow This bit may be interesting to see how the other scum would react in T1 AP. If they already planned on outing Xfire as scum, I'd think his scumbuddy would have no problem at all in instantly bussing him with all his might, considering they knew every townie would know he was scum just 1 cycle later. Or maybe not? Dunno, it's what I want to discuss with Prome, and might as well let you guys know to see what you think /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Xfire wouldn't attack him T1 since he's his scumbuddy. Xfire would WIFOM about him being scum today to confuse us and then say "lol I was telling the truth you dumb townies!" in post-game. Also maybe Clock didn't actually want to attack Xfire on T1, but when they figured out they could out Xfire as scum he posted the "Oh actually I'm not suspicious of Suck (who I said I wanted to attack this turn), in fact Xfire is like confirmed scum!" case late-T1. Also like half of the people were suspicious of Clock for some reason at some point (some reason I could never figure out), so hey maybe they were all right, right? And maybe I'm a dumb townie who just can't catch scum. It even seems to "fit" too much lol. It's funny if it's true though (if it is then I should be Town MVP for being the first one to figure it out  )/G | ||
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