EPTAperture Science: BRAAAAAINS
Suck: BRAAAINS
Nova: BRAAAINS
Rock: BRAINS are a possible option, pending further intel
stutters: No brains.
postal: No brains.
/all heads
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Aperture Science: BRAAAAAINS Suck: BRAAAINS Nova: BRAAAINS Rock: BRAINS are a possible option, pending further intel stutters: No brains. postal: No brains. /all heads | ||
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On February 04 2013 08:38 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Cool. We're 8 players left. We can't count on Xfire cooperating. Other than that: if nobody taps to the permanent we all take 1 damage (10/7 < 1.5 and is thus rounded down). I will consider it a scum claim if you tap a permanent for the global card. If you claim you didn't read this and just did whatever, I will consider it a scum claim anyway. /Acro | ||
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Depending on our choice, I suspect you might not want to. But I appreciate your offer of cooperation and would not mind dealing even more terrible damage, generally. ~dandel | ||
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However, there is no reason not to blast Xfire with a healthy dose of 5 damage right now. Second, I agree that Aperture needs to die. Add this to the reasons he's scum: he is fairly active this game. Ask him a question about the mtg side of things and he will pop in and join the discussion. Ask him about mafia and he says nothing. He doesn't want to tell anybody about his reads and the two cases he made so far are both bad: one is on a confirmed town, the other on what looks to me to be very likely town. He is not pushing his cases or making new ones. In SSB I remember iGrok being very adamant about pushing his scum reads (and pushing his plan). They were completely wrong, but he was actively pushing them and appeared invested in the thread. This game iGrok's main contributions are that any time the thread goes seriously south, he's in the middle of it. Greymist I have nothing on. He came back from holiday and has, insofar as I can see, done nothing, except for his half of the stutters analysis. Why not advising Xfire doesn't make him town: if I were scum I would advise Xfire to blow shit up at the end of the attack phase (before damage resolution of course). This has 2 advantages: the first is that town might spend extra resources in killing you and the second is that you know exactly how much damage you need to prevent. The disadvantage is that town might blow up your creatures before you can blow shit up, meaning you might need to sac more lands. Why Suck is scum You know what Suck's contribution to scumhunting has been this game? He has made a bad case against Nova. The combined forces of marv and snb have managed to do 1 thing: find a load of shit that is not indicative of alignment when looking at Nova. Marv has gone into full-on lurker mode. He is not pressuring anybody, despite actually being present for a lot of the game. SnB has done nothing. Even when absent, SnB as town phoneposts to say "dudes, I'm in England, don't lynch me because I don't have internet" and then gives a quick list of reads. As mafia, he straight up lurks (although he seems to have improved in WLIIA). Evidence: SSM and Caller - Remove Incognito. Now, would scum SnB have posted the plan for Xfire in the thread? Well, he told us: never assume your opponent is too stupid to not recognize the board possibilities. In this case a scum SnB expects town to already know what needed doing (blow up Xfire's shit and then just hope for the best). He didn't want to be forced to contribute to town by casting an enchant on Nova's land and thus told town the plan wouldn't work. This allowed him to follow his own plan and cast his own useful stuff. He also scored townie points for being the herald and noticing that shit. Marv flip flops on Xfire. He spends quite a bit of his time soft-defending Xfire. + Show Spoiler [Marv and Xfire] + Original stance on Xfire is to agree with the suspicions (my early D1 case and the followups). He doesn't add anything new, but says Xfire is "suspicious". Now, the rest: On January 31 2013 04:33 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: crossfire seems overwhelmed. legitimate reaction for someone who doesnt know mtg and doesnt have a partner to ask about it. his big post about ch is interesting. hes right that theres a contradiction in the first two posts he identifies, but the contradiction is completely explainable by ch reacting differently towards crossfire (relative noob) and igrok (very vet), ch took the same question seriously from igrok. i dont see scum motivation in that contradiction, and (to both his blame (bad townie play) and credit (at least he didnt try to make up some bullshit)) crossfire doesnt explain the possible scum motivation at all. however, in his second point he is kind of pointing out a contradiction that does have scum motivation. the quotes that he has from ch do seem to indicate "beware of giving any one person too much power" "oh wait i mean, unless its me lol". everything else in his filter is either self defense or just expressing being overwhelmed. i guess i like that he tried to do some analysis anyway. overall conclusion: possible scum? hes doing a lot of defense and "oh me oh my" ing but otoh this is a fast paced game with weird ass mechanics where we are all talking about the mechanics all the time. id wait a few days before lynching him to give him a chance to feel less overwhelmed. good thing we can't lynch anyone today anyway. At the time I just skipped over this post, and read it as being wrong. Now that we know xfire is scum, Marv is going on record here saying that xfire might be scum, but probably just wait to lynch him. Classic scum behaviour: wants the town credit when his mafia buddy flips, but wants to stall the lynch as long as possible. On January 31 2013 05:42 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Yeah, but here it's... Suck is scummy, maybe for this reason maybe not, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... In the last game he didn't have to promise future content, he was happy just to say "yeah kill these dudes". Here he feels the need to justify his absence and his read with future promises. My read on Stutters (slightly town) remains unchanged, and Crossfire seems less scummy for it. At least he made the effort to defend himself and make a case on someone, even though some of it was wrong, some of it was correct too - marvelbabe Huh? What does Stutters being town have to do with Xfire being town? Why randomly include the scumbuddy in this town read? On January 31 2013 06:18 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I take it from your attitude that you think Crossfire is 'surely' scum then, gonzaw? Town explanation: please clarify your stance. Scum explanation: mr. town leader, is it time to bus my scumbuddy? Would marv want that confirmation to make the decision? Finally something meta can help with. In Hero, Marv's stance on Adam is really non-committal. There's the "might be scum, but lets wait and see"... but then Palmar comes in, says Adam is scum and asks why Marv isn't voting for him. 2 pages later, he is (nothing of consequence happened in those 2 pages). Scum Marv does not just willy nilly bus his buddies, he needs to be sure he'll get town cred for doing so. On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: This game's looking quite decent. In order of towniness: gonz/Prome - blates town me/s&b - town too. slightly less town than gonz because i haven't seen our role PM even though s&b promises we're town Binonfire - Minds Aglow totes pro-town, Oats being silly with it also probably town Hopeless/zebeszt - probably townish too, posts don't show any fear (lol) Stutters - let's call this dude town for now, seems kinda interested Acro/dand - have hardons for calling me mafia, but maybe they just like that sort of thing. Decent case on Crossfire, although if I was lynching for meta, I'd be lynching s&b. Crossfire seems a good deal more interested than he was in... Mario Mafia as scum. Crossfire - see above, could still be mafia Nova - scummy, see awesome burgler case Aperture - kill it with fire! see also awesome gonzaw case. The more I think about it the less I like how iGrok declared Bin scummy because Oats was disagreeing with MG on Minds Aglow. Seems really superficial. Ta-da! Heading rather fast towards giving Xfire a town read AFTER the meta case. Is Marv really bad enough to not realize that the metas match 100%? On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I presume you are referring to the Aperture case and the Nova burgler case, yes? Discrediting the case on Xfire. Shortly after that Xfire claimed scum. TLDR No scumhunting. Stand-offish about Xfire. Fitting SnB's scum meta. There are still some things that I think point to a town Suck, but honestly, if we can kill both Aperture and Suck, I am 95% sure we'll hit at least 1 scum. A quick blurb on why you should get your heads out of your asses regarding the CW-Xfire mutual bus thing. Xfire fucked up his sacrifice-defense. He screwed it up by taking out my Rootwalla and enchantment, instead of my Rootwalla and a Zombie. He took out what was probably the strongest card on the board FOR NO GOOD REASON (at least from a spot defense point of view). He was then forced to gimp himself even further to actually take out a zombie. This went WAY overboard on what was necessary to make it look like a two-way-bus and went straight into "I am doing as much damage as I possibly can to your board". I mean, Dandel and I talked it over in Skype and we reckoned a two-way-bus would have been a hilarious stunt, but it didn't actually happen. What happened was, we found scum and attacked him. Then he went nuts, claimed scum and fucked up the townie with the dangerous enchant. /Acro | ||
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On February 04 2013 21:38 RockHydra wrote: I had noticed the fact that he killed your enchantment too. Noticed it gave you some town cred. But now that you brag about it yourself that towncred is gone again. Because it might just be that you told him to kill the enchantment to give you some extra town points. /zebezt Convenient excuse to drop a "townread" you never had anyways. Want to keep your options open, huh? ~dandel | ||
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The only reason I felt it needed to be brought to your attention is because idiots keep bringing it up as if they might be seriously entertaining the idea. Like... if you want to call me scum, go through my filter and make a case. Otherwise, go bugger a goat. /Acro | ||
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Either way, he lurks far more as scum than as town and he is lurking this game. Also, I am not calling both you and Aperture scum. I am calling one of you scum and can't be arsed to figure out which one. That's good enough if we can kill 2 people (assuming we can). /Acro | ||
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On February 04 2013 22:42 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I might deal damage to you just for being silly If you're town, you should find scum and deal damage to him instead. Unless you're 100% confident Aperture is scum, in which case, go ahead. | ||
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On February 04 2013 23:30 Acrofales wrote: Your hydra head disagrees. He is still pissed off at me for HRM, where the whole last day was done for giggles. So you think Aperture is scum. But if we can kill 2 people, how do we maximize the chance of killing the scum? Assuming you don't have a 100% scumread on Aperture, of course. If you do, I'd like to know what makes you so certain. This hydra fail never happened. | ||
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Clockwork: minimum of 12. Poster: 11 Rock: 7 Stutters: 3 Nova: 4? Suck: 0 AS: 0 Total: 37. This is enough to kill AS and Suck assuming there is no life-gaining and Xfire doesn't fuck us over. Assuming SnB is a douche and uses his enchantress thingy to block, there is a total of 35 damage dealt. This is still enough to kill both. General mtg advice: @Stutters: by playing Gaea's Anthem and a bear now, you not only get +1 damage this turn, but +2 next turn. This game has probably ended by then. Also, you have no land at all in your hand? @Rock: you can attack anybody you like with your Phyrexian thingy, so attack us: we won't block it. Then ninja in your giant beasty to do 5 damage to the target you actually want to kill. @Nova: your creature pumping thing is an instant and can be cast in the attack phase. Phrase it conditionally to pump 2 creatures that are attacking and are not blocked. | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:08 Aperture Science wrote: Just a quick question, weren't we going to kill Crossfire today before attack phase by us forking a bolt or something? What happened to that We were. If Poster is around, you should get on with that. | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:19 RockHydra wrote: Unfortunately this is not how ninjitsu works. It has to attack the same target as the original creature. /zebezt You are right. I just read the card and assumed. The comprehensive rules clarify that. It's kinda lame. Well, you can always attack Aperture who seems to be playing creatureless. | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:14 Nova_Terra wrote: How do i do that? I'm still magic newbie. can you give me an example? Lets say I attack Suck with 4 zombies. You can then do the following (in the attack phase): ##tap lands ##cast Blades of Veling Vel after blockers are declared, but before damage goes on the stack (time 3 in OP). Target: 2 unblocked zombie tokens. Of course, if there are no unblocked zombies, you might have to do something different, but for now that looks unlikely. You also don't have to target my zombies, but can target any other unblocked creature if you disagree with who my zombies attack. | ||
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On February 05 2013 01:27 RockHydra wrote: It's interesting how in clockwork-town suddenly everybody is on board with attacking Suck. There might be interest in killing aperture, but I'm not sure about your other target. /zebezt You don't have to be. We are almost certainly rampaging all over his face with zombies. I think he is more likely scum than Nova, who would be my 3rd potential scummer. If people don't want to kill Suck and other people don't want to kill Nova, then we can have everybody do damage to Aperture and the rest is a free choice. Yes, this might bring people within mafia beast range without killing them. As long as that isn't us, we are okay with that  This forces people to make a hard choice rather than just sheeping what town leaders tell them to do makes and might be a more informative use of KP (at least it forces people to say WHY they are attacking than just being "Gonzaw told me to"), although it gives us 1 less flip. How about this: Poster does 5 damage to Aperture, 1 to Xfire and attacks whoever he wants with Ball Lightning Clock does 5 damage to Aperture, attacks whoever he wants with the other 3 zombies Rock does 5 damage to Aperture (ninja), attacks whoever he wants with the other ninja Nova does 2 damage to Aperture and 2 damage to some other player who is being attacked by creatures Stutters does 3 damage to a target of his choice Suck does 0 damage (presumably, although he has that combo thing where he drops down enchants and doesn't draw cards in order to deal damage). Attacks someone with his 0/2 beastie as per his own policy suggestion. Aperture does 4 damage to Xfire and dies Xfire dies a horrible death, hopefully dealing no damage. /Acro | ||
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On February 05 2013 01:52 Stutters695 wrote: I can understand not trying to defend himself anymore since it is pretty much consensus that he's dying. Don't quite get his lack of pressuring any reads however. If he is going to flip town he should probably pursue his reads up to the flip. The silence makes me a bit more confident in him being scum but also worried he's going to have something game changing. Rock do you honestly think I'm anywhere close to as scummy as Nova? What changed in the past 24 hours that made your list go from Nova, AS, me to AS, Nova=me? CH I'm assuming you are the next town to go due to your board. Does my 3kp difference over two turns affect our killing potential over the next two days? Right now I don't see how it does and being able to be lethal myself forces either the scum to kill me or town has a free lynch when our kp starts to stagger. Honestly, I think the game ends tomorrow (if it doesn't today). T5, if it happens at all (and we fucked up bigtime if it does), will have 2 townies and 1 scum alive. Mafia creature will be 16/16, so forget about a T6 happening. That means you come out 1 damage ahead if we include T5, if you go the Gaea's Anthem path. Moreover, Infect doesn't play nicely with other forms of damage (you need to do the 10 poison counters all by yourself, whereas everybody can chip in on bringing life total down). You're only lethal on your own if you can guarantee 10 damage regardless of blockers (trample obviously helps). However, 6 regular damage is almost certainly going to be more help than anything < 10 poison counters (even 9). /Acro | ||
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On February 05 2013 02:22 Aperture Science wrote: By the way, if you've read or played with me in any previous games, you'd know that I don't have a meta. I have never played the same in two games and I'm proud of that (usually) Why are you trying to be Drazerk?  | ||
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Aperture is more likely to flip town than scum imo. "Oh no!" you might cry in despair. "But he's playing so bad" To which I reply "bad =/= scum." Yes, my brethen, it is true. If he is town, he's played bad as fuck. Like, really bad. Abysmal. Doesn't matter though. Just think about the situation: You're scum with Cross. Who just outed himself as scum. Who is going to die easily tonight. "town" has plenty KP left over to kill you, and then some. YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED SCUM ALL GAME. You are aware you played like shit. Nobody wants you alive. Why do you still bother bussing Cross? Why would you take damage in the face, just to redirect it to Cross? Your buddy? that means you both die tonight. After all, everybody is just saying "yeah let's flip aperture" and gonzo goes all "I WANT FLIPS! I DEMAND DEAD BODIES FOR MY GOD ODIN!" all the time. Would you, as scum, still keep doing damage, taking damage, like it's no big deal? Maybe. It's not impossible. I'm not saying aperture is confirmed town or anything. HOWEVER, the far more likely, and simple, solution is this: Aperture is town. He knows he's going to die today. Since he's town, he helps flipping Cross, so that town has more KP in total. Excess KP that town can deal to somebody after his body is already cold. I anticipate WIFOM arguments to come to counter this. I anticipate all those arguments to be horseshit. ~dandel | ||
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