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On February 05 2013 03:08 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Whatever, I don't have to convince YOU, because you're scum. Town Marv would have recognized the strength of this argument ages ago.
Everybody else: Aperture is town. Suck is scum. Act accordingly
lol, the argument is nonsense
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why does this feel like setting up mislynches :x
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On February 05 2013 08:28 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Hey marv, could you get S&B here? I mean, your life depends on it, so you could try, right?
/G
I'm home, and I cannot. I'm going to repeat it here.
If you are committed to killing me and Aperture, make sure that Clockwork can be killed afterwards, that if he is scum you can take him down once me and Aperture are dead.
This is VERY important. Work it out and think about it.
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this game is silly. Aperture, if you are in fact town, Stutters is not the correct target. I'm pretty sure he's town. Rethink.
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On February 05 2013 10:50 Stutters695 wrote: Would love to hear what AS and Suck think we should do both if they're getting killed and what they would do if they're left alive. Also would love to hear from Nova, it feels kind of wrong to not lynch him with his play, but the case against Marv is pretty compelling (especially in contrast to LIX) and I would expect more out of both AS heads than out of Nova in addition to Nova being much less of a threat magic wise it seems.
why the fuck are you comparing this game to lix, srsly. this is just light relief
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yes, but you'll always be a shit mafia player and i will not. so horses for courses
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On February 05 2013 11:03 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Keep flaming, scummer. Face it, you played like shit this game. Happens. No need to be a salty asshole about it 
no, i played fine. i've only played played badly as mafia once and this isn't it. again, you're a fucking atrocious player, and you always will be.
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I'll say this only once again: if me/aperture flip town, make sure you are actually able to flip CH next.
Anyway, this game isn't fun anymore so I won't be posting anymore.
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On February 05 2013 20:14 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 15:52 Nova_Terra wrote: The point that CH needs to be able to be killed is a valid one, and i worry about that. This is only valid if you think that we are scum. The only reason you think we might be scum is because we have a powerful deck. You, nor anybody else has given a reason to think we're scum. If we are scum, we have played the most insanely brilliant game ever played by a scum ever. At the same time, we have played the most insanely mindbogglingly stupid game ever played by a scum ever. BOTH AT ONCE. Here is what we have done as scum: 1. The very first action of Xfire was apparently to write in scumQT: "I am going to claim scum on D2, so what you should do is bus me hardcore from my opening post until I am dead." This will give you town credit. To which we replied "sure buddy, claiming scum is a wonderful idea" and followed the plan through. In fact, we did this so convincingly that Xfire was easily 2. We did this so convincingly that Xfire took out the only (potentially) important card in our graveyard and the main engine of our deck. This effectively stalls our deck from a point where we would have been completely unkillable by town (as in, entirely) and could probably have killed 2 townies singlehandedly in D4, to a point where we are merely strong contenders. The ninjas are getting rolling and Rock will have 2 decently big creatures and a load of shitty ones next turn. Stutters will eventually have a load of fatties and presumably Nova's deck is coming online at some point around now, with finally a changeling hitting the board. 3. When someone came up with a plan for Xfire to live, we panicked and tried to bury it in 1-line spam. Because we don't want our scumbuddy seeing the plan for him to live. When this failed to work because people discussed it instead of burying it, we yelled at SnB for being stupid. Because we, as scum, realize that our scumbuddy living for a day longer would be a terrible blow to our master plan (this was sarcasm). 4. Okay, so all is well again, scumbuddy Xfire is back on track to be dying. We are on our way to the fruition of our masterplan and everybody is planning on killing the guy with the potentially scary combo deck, that might go off in our faces despite our strong creature-based position. We then look at Suck and think "hrmmm, SnB is also good at magic, and he has this incredibly scary Verduran Enchantress out". Furthermore, this combos INCREDIBLY WELL with Words of War, which he has in his hand. He will be able to do 2 entire damage for 2 mana any time he plays an enchantment. With Shimmering Wings (of which I don't even think there's a GRW variant) that would mean 2 damage to anything or anybody for the measly cost of 4 mana. At least, that is the case I have heard so far for why we are pushing this lynch onto Suck from a scum perspective: "Suck's deck is more powerful". What? Now I don't know how SnB's deck works. It's possible that there is another piece to the combo that will eventually cause that to be a threat. However, that same can be said for Aperture, who seems far more likely to, at some point, just play 15 cards and say "I deal 20 damage to everybody. I win". Furthermore, since when does scum behave like this? Scum doesn't spend all day derailing town plans to possibly kill a guy who looks like he might be a threat in the future. No. They go along with town plans and then kill the threat at night. 5. Just read our filter, okay. Just look at it and see how completely impossible our play would have been from a scum perspective. Even if you think we're wrong about Suck, look at our filter. TLDR: Don't panic. I know it's scary to be carried. I was super paranoid of Sandroba in SSM when he came up with the plan to "everybody just mass claim to me and I'll carry you all to victory". But after a lot of evaluation I realized it was highly unlikely he was scum and went with it. Now I'm not claiming I can hold a candle to Sandro's town play, but if you take a moment to analyze both Dandel and my play this game you will see that us being scum is completely impossible this game. And that is why you don't need us to be killable. /Acro PS: to preempt Zebezt, pointing out why we're town is because apparently nobody is taking our repeated advice to actually read our filter and figure this shit out for themselves and is instead listening to scum Marv's words (when they should just be preparing to kill him).
this is all fine, as long as town can still kill you once it used its KP on me and Aperture.
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On February 05 2013 21:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 11:02 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: yes, but you'll always be a shit mafia player and i will not. so horses for courses Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 11:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 05 2013 11:03 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Keep flaming, scummer. Face it, you played like shit this game. Happens. No need to be a salty asshole about it  no, i played fine. i've only played played badly as mafia once and this isn't it. again, you're a fucking atrocious player, and you always will be. This is unacceptable behaviour. Consider this a last warning, or a modkill will follow.
Furthermore, an advance warning: Posting logs between hydras is unacceptable to 'prove' whether you're townie or not. I experienced it first hand in SSB Mafia. Any such activity will result in an instant modkill.
my apologies, it was an unwarrantedly rude display of frustration
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also i was kinda drunk last night but that's not an excuse either
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Right, here's how it is.
Consider this a mafiaclaim..
Now, you can read what follows in the knowledge i'm not trying to pursuade anyone of anything, even though some of it directly contradicts my mafiaclaim.
I've no idea what's going on this game. gonzaw recognised my play early on as the kinda townplay I often exhibit on omgus.net. I have no idea why he backed down from this, as it was totally correct. Don't know if he's paranoid, or weak, or what.
I don't know if CH is mafia. I'm desperately hoping he is, because I have/had plenty of respect for Acro, so I desperately want him to be mafia rather than incapable. Frankly my play this game looks nothing like my mafia games. In my mafia games I try very hard to be/look pro-town, to varying degrees of success. That's pretty much completely absent here. That's what marks my mafia meta (which is why i'm usually hard to catch, because i'm "pro-town" as mafia or town). So if Acro is town, the fact he finds this game similar to my mafia games is really depressing because it means he has no idea what he's talking about. There's a simple comparison to last game as well, where I made 2 posts, and 200 here. Kinda not surprising that the two games are opposite marv-alignments, right?
Aperture by all intents and purposes *should* be mafia with how he's played, but i dunno. There's a bunch of sheep coming on to me, so it's hard to distinguish bad town from mafia. This game is almost identical in feeling to LVIII, where Palmar made an "ironclad", "very strong" and... completely incorrect meta case on me day 1.
When I'm dead, look at who sheeped on to me and why. Examine Acro's arguments "why would we let Crossfire nerf us trololol" when if they're unkillable virtually now, why does it matter? Who sat back and let this happen because it's convenient? I actually have no idea who I trust atm, so I don't know who to appeal to to bring it home. Meh. Can't be bothered to put in the work to find out as I'm dying ^^
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On February 05 2013 22:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Marv, what the hell do you want me to say to that: you look like scum, therefore you can't be? It's a non-sequitur. The case isn't based on meta, it's a case chaining together your scummy behaviour this game (the tiny bit of meta I invoked yesterday was to show that you're a good player, not to show you're scum). Your meta is not to look like scum as town either. You looked like town in CT. You looked like town in LIX. You don't look like town here. Saying that you're not playing anything like your scum meta is irrelevant when you're not playing anything like your town meta either.
/Acro
I'm playing like I tend to play in heavily themed games for light relief. See Parallels where I mostly trolled through the game. I don't know why you ignore LVIII and Paranoia, two recent games where I almost got lynched as town, but whatever.
I mean, according to you, I'm a mafia who 'discredited' the case on Crossfire just before Crossfire decided to claim scum. I'm also mafia who made some brilliant play to get Crossfire to avoid damage in-thread. This is a couple of posts of mine from my most recent game on omgus.net:
Kira wrote: this is pretty terrible. And the people who are randomly putting their vote on me have failed to explain what it is about who and why i've pushed as mafia is bad. Fairly glad I'm not spending any time on this game, really. If palm gets back I'll sheep his vote, as long as it's not on me. gonna vote brndn in the meanwhile
Kira wrote: Just popping in. I'm sheeping palm. Hope you got this right, buddy.
On the bright side, if it's a mislynch, Pez isn't flipping blue. This isn't his blue play, certainly.
##Unvote ##Vote: Pez
Oh look, marv under pressure for kicking back and doing jack shit, then openly sheeping his strongest town-read.
I hate that gonz has disappeared, and reversed his townread on me, based exactly on games like the one I've taken from above, which literally finished 1-2 weeks ago. It makes me doubt my strong townread on him. I didn't sign up this game to play mafia like I did in LIX, that was srs stuff. I played this game for fun and to hopefully lynch some mafia along the way.
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On February 05 2013 23:03 RockHydra wrote: Is there a chance there is more than 2 scum in this game? Then what are we talking about? We have suck and xfire xfire is already just about dead. So just kill suck and do a celabratory dance.
Or wtf does marv mean with her mafia claim? All I read after her claim was "WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM"
/zebezt
Her? wtf?
By my mafiaclaim, it means I can't be arsed to argue out of my way of dying, but I still wanna talk to town without people going "ARGH MAFIA DON'T LISTEN AHAHA"
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so, how do i attack with my blocker?
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There's a whole other phase? What are we doing in this phase?
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On February 06 2013 04:13 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Sheez marv, are you going through your period again? Calm down.
yeah, i start bleeding out my fru-fru when i get lynched for terrible reasons :d
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Rock, you should defend yourself, then we can all laugh at Acro post-game for singlehandedly throwing the whole game
it'll be awesome
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Although I have to admit Rock's defensiveness about taking damage is odd
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