EPTParallel World Mafia: Chaos of GreY
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Presumably we can only vote for people in our world? | ||
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Anyways I'm voting for marvellosity cause he's mafia. ##Vote: marvellosity | ||
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I have and I found a mafia. Look for yourself. | ||
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On December 12 2012 10:26 Keirathi wrote: No, you haven't read the thread. Swap days are mandatory. There's no "screw the swapping". We lynch one day, swap the next. I meant with figuring out who to swap and using peoples' abilities to swap. It's meaningless discussion and banter. | ||
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On December 12 2012 10:29 marvellosity wrote: cool story bro. similar amounts of reasoning given too. that'd be none for the reader wondering What does that have to do with anything? | ||
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On December 12 2012 10:31 marvellosity wrote: what does calling me mafia for absolutely no reason in two games and you flipping mafia in one have to do anything? let me think oh yeah you rolled scum again I have plenty of reason. You haven't done anything, you're spamming the thread. And I'm not going to sit here while people derp around with swapping when there's mafia to kill. | ||
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Also I have no idea what you're talking about. You haven't said anything all game. | ||
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Also glad to see that what was potentially meaningful discussion has turned into a flinging doubt contest in the other thread (at least it's obvious who is doing it there *coughRisenYamatosandrobacough*). | ||
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On December 13 2012 06:40 Palmar wrote: I'm all for this discussion thing Foolishness. Let's start with you explaining in detail why you think marv is scum. He hasn't made a post longer than 30 words (most of them are just one liners full of nothing). He's not contributed anything of substance, all he has done is start a silly counter vote on me, backed by horrible reasoning. He says my vote is exactly the same as bureaucratic mafia, but it's not anywhere close. In bureaucracy, I just said he should die, I didn't give reasoning, and I don't even think I ever voted for him, I just made the comments in passing and never really elaborated on them. Poor comparison to try to get something going (though the amount of people jumping on it is great for the town). What's most sketchy about his accusations against me is that they seem so out of the blue. He was really quick to jump up and point the finger back, so quick that it was made out of panic (oh shit he's onto me...quick! accuse him back to divert the attention!). | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah, kinda. You did something extreme, he didn't. You have yet to actually do anything other than that, though. I did something extreme? He called me out on a bunch of bullshit cause he's a little butthurt | ||
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You flatter yourself thinking you're good at this game. | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:49 Palmar wrote: I am baffled you don't seem to be understanding what the issue is, at least from my perspective. You still haven't provided anything other than "he's made no post longer than x" to support your claim marv is scum. I'm all ears, but you're not talking. You don't buy that he accused me out of panic and to draw attention away from himself? | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:50 Palmar wrote: And I'm not interested in marv's later posts, I only want the analysis you did to initially conclude he's scum, so up until the point you made that decision. He posted 2 things, I got a bad vibe. nobody was doing anything productive. I wanted to get the ball rolling. You were conveniently gone. Wanted to save accusation of crossfire for later. | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:55 marvellosity wrote: so given I lobbed out a possible scumread on Crossfire, what is your opinion on me currently? Are you a player who will draw attention to their own mafia team? | ||
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This is a heavy post about what's been going on this game. It's compiling the thoughts of a few people who are making sense (unnamed cause it should be obvious) while combining in everything I've noticed since the start. The best information the town has is from the start of the game "each world will begin with 2 mafia". So far people have not taken this into high consideration and have been too narrowly focused, taking it one step at a time. The bigger picture is what needs to be analyzed. That is, you as a town should be asking yourself this question: pick 2 mafia from each of these lists: Clarity_nl Crossfire99 Dienosore Foolishness Keirathi Marvellosity Palmar randombum SlOosh austinmcc Blazinghand Clarity_nl Darkfirex5 Hassybaby Mementoss Risen Yamato77 For now I am going to assume Clarity to be innocent cause he's in both worlds. Until we know the details of his role we can't be sure, but pretty safe assumption (has he done anything suspicious anyways? Probably not). According to austin's check, Palmar, Crossfire99, and Sloosh are not anti-town. I believe austin to be the most confirmed innocent right now as he has been the most active in explaining his thoughts and trying to accomplish something for the town. He has no hidden agenda, and has been clear and concise with his posting. Even so, I am not sure how reasonable it is to assume these 3 are not mafia. I do trust what austin told us about his role and his result, but the wording of the statement seems sketchy in my eyes. I might be over-thinking it but it seems to easy to just confirm these 3 off the bat (though I do agree this is a good starting point for now). So pick two mafia from: myself, randombum, marvellosity, Keirathi, dienosore. I will tell you right off the bat that randombum is mafia. The other one I can't decide, but my initial guess is marvellosity. Keirathi and Dienosore have a bit of ambiguity in their thoughts, but on the whole I do not see them as overtly suspicious. randombum? Yes, definitely mafia. Why? General avoidance to any topic of discussion. He simply has not said anything about anything the town is talking about. I give him credit for commenting about sandroba's plan, but that's it. His posts are simply empty. He hasn't given any reads (he admitted to this in his recent big post) with the justification that nobody else has. Remember mafia love to comment about how bad the town is doing (I'm guilty of doing it, look at bureaucracy) instead of actively trying to fix it. randombum never talked about myself or marvellosity when the two of us were having a larger penis contest. He was around during lynch time but never said much of anything. His lynch was avoided because one or two people said they thought he was innocent (I believe austin and clarity were the two, could be wrong though). Given that he was one of 4 choices to be lynched he was awfully quiet. And what mafia wouldn't be? If two outspoken players called you innocent you would take that and run with it as long as you could. He random voted for Palmar day 1 without any justification (read his filter if you don't believe me), hopped on the Kenpachi bandwagon, and hasn't said anything since. I can't decide on the remaining mafia in the group but I'm going to call out marvellosity on some horrible anti-town play in the past 48 hours. When Austin took control in attempt to get a lynch going you were the person that hard went against him and questioned everything. It should be apparent from Austin's filter that he's either a town trying to do something or he's mafia with some master grand scheme using his role to confirm his mafia buddy as he watches the town crumble (the latter is very unlikely). marvellosity was actively questioning all of Austin's moves and everything he did, and it just seemed like marvellosity did not want the town to get organized. What marvellosity did is very very reminiscent of Ace and wherebugsgo when they are mafia; they actively shut down obvious townies by questioning and throwing doubt into their actions. There's also the issue that marvellosity hasn't really been active with any reads other than calling me scum (and he's obviously wrong). Palmar still hasn't done anything constructive, and he's running out of time. When I read his filter I see boredom more than hesitation or fear. ------------ Onto the second list. Again Austin is the only true town player here and I'm assuming clarity is innocent for now. That leaves us 2 mafia from: Blazinghand Darkfirex5 Hassybaby Mementoss Risen Yamato77 As stated earlier, the majority of the analysis can be found from two things. The first is who is actively not commenting on important topics. The second is who is throwing doubt around and pushing mafia agenda. Randombum is ignoring topics and not saying anything. Marvellosity is pushing mafia agenda's. From this list we have Risen ignoring topics (and just being inactive overall) and Yamato77 doing a marvellosity and throwing doubt around the town. Risen has been here, but not really been here. I just finished rereading the thread and I could not remember a single post he made (needless to say I was surprised he has 25 posts already). He's kinda said who he thinks is mafia, but he doesn't provide much justification for his reads. He also pushed mafia agenda when he started questioning sandroba's actions. Not that sandroba was confirmed, but he was actively trying to help the town and get people talking, and anyone who tries to stop that is not pro-town. Yamato. When I decided to vote for him on the grounds of him being expendable, I was not sure at the time if he was mafia or not. As stated, I couldn't read his filter cause it was so abrasive. After rereading everything I'm more inclined to say that he's mafia. He's guilty of exactly the same things marvellosity is doing. Yamato questions everyone that is doing something for the town. He constantly argued with sandroba and austin day 1; and it was incredibly unproductive for the town and in the end nothing got accomplished. He's back and forth on his reads a lot, and seems to always accuse those who are accusing him. I give him credit for trying to push Risen recently though. What of the other people? During lynch time yesterday, there were 5 people actively engaged in lynch discussion: sandroba, Blazinghand, Yamato, Keirathi, and Clarity. Mementoss occasionally posted, Hassybaby popped in from time to time to share a thought or two, Darkfire is suspiciously absent. Blazinghand is not mafia (he's been here during key hours, he's actively engaged in pro-town discussion). Mementoss does not strike me as mafia from his filter, though he needs to step up the activity a bit (lots of his posts are filler). Hassybaby is the textbook scared blue role, I assume he knows something about his role in the other world otherwise he wouldn't try so hard to get to it. Darkfire I don't know what to say, too difficult to tell if he's legit or not at this point (his one long post is very questionable though). tl;dr THE GRAND MAFIA LIST: Batch 1 1. randombum 2. Probably marvellosity, maybe Palmar, else pick your favorite from the rest. Batch 2 1. Risen 2. Yamato Remaining likely's: Darkfire, maybe Mementoss. IF YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE GO BACK AND REREAD THIS POST BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. If you are mafia then try hopelessly to spam this away, and I hope you have 2KP to kill me tonight. | ||
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On December 16 2012 07:02 marvellosity wrote: you coloured Palmar in red, but austin's power confirmed him according to how you view things. I guess I haven't decided whether I want to just say "those 3 confirmed town" or not. For now I'm inclined to just wait and see about those three. Any anyways, we got a handful of better targets to worry about first. | ||
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On December 16 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote: Effort is irrelevant if you can't see and understand the reads. Palmar seems uninterested but he's not *pretending* to be interested. That's why I don't know about him and said we can wait on him. Also marvellosity, you want to kill Risen? | ||
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On December 16 2012 09:57 Risen wrote: My guess is he was trying to keep the number of scum reads equal in both worlds. I agree with what he was trying to do, just a shame he was wrong. Also, and I'm not sure why you haven't considered this, but I'm pretty sure there's a good chance clarity is third party. So he would have his own motivations behind swaps. Which would mean Clarity likely has some win condition that isn't just "survive until the end" | ||
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On December 16 2012 10:05 Risen wrote: My PM does everything but say he's town. If he's scum I'll be more surprised than I've ever been in a mafia game. erp, so you know his role? | ||
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Remember to read carefully what I posted. Look at who is here contributing to the conversation and who is riding in the backseat and just letting everything happen. ##Vote (GreY): austinmcc | ||
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On December 16 2012 10:26 randombum wrote: As far as I know only one person came up with a plan to take advantage of this (sand) Who was coincidentally mafia's first target. Oh, and who know who was sand's biggest (only) supporter of that plan? ME. So if your going to call it a good idea to focus on that fact you should realize who supported actions which would take the biggest advantage of that fact. What has honestly been "discussed". Nearly everybody has had the same/similar opinion. There was lynching you which everybody agreed on. There was austin's list which everybody pretty much narrowed it down to the same 3 or 4 people. The only real discussion (read divided opinions involving more than 2 people) was how to use the swap mechanic and I was there. I felt it pointless to get into a penis contest when it started as A: "B is scum!" and B responses "No, A is scum!" Apparently B won that since the whole town agreed to lynch you. You write that as if I somehow escaped getting lynched (Note: that was your lynch that was avodied) If you actually read the threads it was neither austin or clarity that supported me. The only person to throw suspicion on me was austin, and even his post was along the lines of "he's on my list and I like him LEAST" Also, there was not a single vote for me ever that day, so I don't know what I'm supposedly avoiding. I don't know what you consider quiet. I responded to direct questions and posted my opinions. I wasn't nearly as vocal as austin, but that's because he has like 2/3 the posts in the thread since he's been here. The vote on Palmer was random, but I don't see how that points towards an alignment on day 1. The kenpachi vote was because there was under an hour before deadline, and not enough people wanted to lynch austin to check his role. I hopped on the wagon because I was trying to help avoid a no-lynch and he was everybody's choice. And by choice he was really more like the least bad choice. Why I haven't said anything since? Its barely been 24 hours and it happened to be Friday night and Saturday afterwards. I had other things to do. The bulk of your post has so many mistakes which to me implies you are not really reading the thread and are trying to avoid getting lynched tomorrow and the fact that you lock onto the only target that some people have showed some doubts on to try to save yourself in a last ditch effort. I mean you even accuse palmer when you claim this about austin And this Either he's town and Palmer is town, or he is mafia which you call very unlikely. I cannot see a scenario where austin is both town and Palmer is anti-town. I don't think anybody who reads the thread can come up with that scenario either. Part of the point of my post was that you should have been a topic of discussion day 1 and you weren't. And because of that you were strangely quiet during that first lynch. That's the problem. I'm not expecting an austin level of activity, I just want to see your reads and why, and you haven't done so (even now). There's always something to discuss, and this is now twice this game where you have not done anything with the justification of "nobody else has done anything" (you did it earlier when you said you weren't giving any reads because nobody else is). And you say that I'm locking onto targets in a last ditch effort to save myself. This is clearly not the case cause I not only accused you but two others who I know are mafia as well. And I also did this yesterday when I was in a world that was voting for swapping; at the time nobody was even talking about me. Also you guys need to reread my analysis, cause so far it hasn't been proven wrong and the only people who have said anything about it are the ones I've accused. And if you want to accuse me of being mafia, actually make a case and don't say my reads are "easy" or "convenient", especially when you're accusations against others consist of one sentence. | ||
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##Vote (GreY) randombum | ||
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On December 19 2012 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote: So if you're not scum, who is the scum from our world (Chaos of Grey)? I've only colored the confirmed people green. Clarity_nl Crossfire99 (Confirmed not anti-town. Masoned with Risen) Dienosore (dead) Foolishness Keirathi Kenpachi (dead) Marvellosity Palmar (dead) randombum SlOosh (confirmed not anti-town) Unless they're dead they are not confirmed. If we're believing marvellosity's claim that he's 3rd party I honestly don't know who the last one out of the bunch is. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's syllogism because he exists in both worlds (which would mean there's only 3 mafia, and that's not likely), so sloosh or keirathi; pick the one you hate the most. | ||
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On December 19 2012 05:04 Crossfire99 wrote: Why don't you believe Austin's check? He died and is confirmed town? It's not that I think he is lying about what happened, I just don't believe that the results indicate that you and Sloosh (and palmar before he died) are in the clear. That ability he has is too good to be true. I can think of ways to get more than 3 people confirmed if used properly, pending on the wording you could probably win the game just with that ability. It's too broken. Too good to be true kinda thing. | ||
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Honestly I'm more inclined to just say marvellosity is bullshitting and he's the last mafia just causing chaos. My first instinct in games almost always turns out to be right (Liar Game Mafia for example) | ||
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I explained what my role did and why I put it on Yamato, there was plenty good reason for me to do so. I was right to think that there was something up with marvellosity, he pretty much claimed 3rd party. Assuming that he is 3rd party, he is still anti-town. You want to let him run around then you have only yourself to blame. | ||
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On December 19 2012 07:15 marvellosity wrote: That's like saying "I thought he was scum because he was wearing a hat. Turns out he was 3rd party so my hat theory was kinda right guys!" That's like saying, classic confirmation bias | ||
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##Activate: Inter-Dimensional Sacrifice | ||
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My ability kills everyone who has been swapped between worlds in the past cycle (it also kills myself whether or not I have or not). It's only usable during the day and activates at lynch time. So Risen and Crossfire will die at the lynch with me. After I flip town reread everything I've said this game. And I have no idea why syllogism is agreeing to work with a 3rd party we know nothing about. He's clearly playing anti-town (and has been from day 1). What reason is there to trust him with no other proof then what he claims? | ||
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