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On December 19 2012 06:00 Hapahauli wrote:You said you had your vote on DYH all day, which would imply that you were suspicious of him. But... you never call him scummy, never suspect him, never question him... ever in your filter. So even if we take your comment as "I thought I had my vote on him the whole day" as true, these are your conversations with DYH in "the whole day": Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
DYH, your case is bad.
Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.
And your whole case is based on that not being true.
Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
DYH, your case is bad.
Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.
And your whole case is based on that not being true.
Wrong, your case is based on that assumption being true, mine is not. My case is based on you pushing a strategy that would reveal whether hapa is blue or not when he is still potentially in danger of being silver shot. My case is based on acknowledging that you don't know exactly how scum are operating, which you clearly don't, because you want to lynch hapa. If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter. Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:41 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:39 DoYouHas wrote:
If MrZ was town he would have to at least acknowledge that his assumptions might be wrong. And if that possibility exists, then his actions only have a scum mindset. Any town making his assumptions could just as easily test them when hapa was out of danger. They would be no less convincing, even if we will be missing 2 more votes now.
MrZ was rolefishing, plain and simple. The probability of scum having a bullet and Hapa being blue was minuscule. And I'm impatient. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:47 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 DoYouHas wrote:On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
DYH, your case is bad.
Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.
And your whole case is based on that not being true.
Wrong, your case is based on that assumption being true, mine is not. My case is based on you pushing a strategy that would reveal whether hapa is blue or not when he is still potentially in danger of being silver shot. My case is based on acknowledging that you don't know exactly how scum are operating, which you clearly don't, because you want to lynch hapa. If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter.Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it. What? Again, the only way your plan works is if your assumptions hold true, yes, they aren't bad assumptions, I never said they weren't but they aren't the ONLY valid assumptions. What you just said boils down to, hapa was either vanilla or elected scum, I was trying to figure out which. This is exactly my point. What you did leaves no room for your assumption being wrong. No, there are a lot of things Hapa could be. The reason I was focused on elected scum is that that was a really easy way to catch him and prove he was scum. And he had a good chance of being elected, regardless of his alignment, so there would be a decent chance of him being elected scum. Nowhere in this conversation do you even imply suspicion on DYH. This is true of your D1 play as well. In fact, it looks like you're just defending yourself against someone you think is town. Nowhere here do you even question his motives.
On the first day, I had a null read on him, so of course I wasn't going to imply suspicion.
On the second day, I thought I had voted for DYH after he voted for me, just to show that I was tired of his ridiculous cases.
I probably wrote the post and then forgot to post it. :/
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I would have voted somewhere between the time he voted for me and my first post after he voted for me.
And I think you're over reacting to this situation.
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And now everybody thinks I'm scum.
Good.
Good.
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And Hapa, don't you think I as scum would be more careful and actually try to make it look like I was suspicious of DYH before voting him?
Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game.
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On December 19 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 06:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 06:33 MrZentor wrote:
And now everybody thinks I'm scum.
Good.
Good. Put your vote on Mr.Cheesecake please. DYH + MrZ scumteam. I can prove it.
Okay, sure, whatever gets you to kill DYH.
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My scum play is sooo bad. -.-
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Don't worry, Hapa.
You're far too paranoid to me scum.
Because he has a far better chance of flipping scum than I do, even though I'm sure DYH is scum.
##Unvote
##vote Mr.Cheesecake
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Just read some of my scum games.
Also, if DYH is innocent like you now seem to think, and I'm scum, why would I want to take credit for his lynch?
Wouldn't I want to make it look like it was your fault we lynched a townie?
That makes no sense from a scum perspective.
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I think it would be a ton of fun to try to play this way as scum.
But it would also be really difficult to pull off.
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I was afraid of calling him scum after misreading him last game.
Your case gave me confidence.
I don't see what the problem is.
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Woah, I'm really confused.
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Oh, I see.
Paranoia mafia.
Day 1 I was convinced DYH was scum.
He was going to be lynched, but at literally the last minute my mason buddy BH saved him.
DYH ended up being the vigil.
I am still scarred from almost killing the vigilante. o.0
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To show that I was tired of his ridiculous cases against me.
I thought I already said that.
Didn't I say that?
I don't know anymore. 
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Also, what happened to your "Mafia wouldn't try rolefishing." idea.
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His whole case is
That he agrees with me on a bunch of stuff
I can't really go after him for how he pushed mord. I agreed with his read on JX and his points on Mord were convincing. It is worth noting that he only stopped 1 lynch in order to push a different mislynch. A good way to gain cred as scum and something I think fits with how MrZ plays, but not really alignment indicative.
But because I wanted to know if Hap was scum or not from witchcraft votes
What really tips the scales for me, and I'm amazed doesn't do the same for the rest of you is his n1 call to reveal voting on hapa
And because I didn't want to wait more than 48 hours to get the results
It is the timing of this that makes it so scummy. If MrZ was town he would have waited until N2 to bring this out.
I am scum.
One thing DYH doesn't realize, which is extremely important, is that my plan wouldn't work if I waited for N2, because there would be at least 2 more dead people, and I would have no way to know those people's witchcraft votes.
He says I am scum because I didn't wait for N2 to ask for everybody's votes, but he doesn't understand that my plan wouldn't work if I waited for N2.
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Hey, scum, I voted for Djo, and I think a lot of other people did too. I'm pretty sure he's blue.
If you have another silver bullet, you should shoot him!!! 
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No but really, scum, I think he's blue.
If you shoot him now, this lynch will be much easier for you.
You should take that risk. You should shoot him. Just think how cool it would be to have killed 2 blues so early in the game.
You'll be a hero.
Do it.
PULL THE TRIGGER NOW!
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Scum, why would he be so afraid of people revealing their witchcraft votes if he wasn't a blue?
He has to be a blue himself. That's the only explanation. KILL HIM
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EPT
