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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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On December 17 2012 05:29 Eywa- wrote: Finally, someone with some sense speaks... I didn't say who was going to get lynched, I simply said it would be a civilian (which is truth, there is no way any of the mafia is going down today, not with this town). Ohhhhhhhh that makes more sense. See this is why you're supposed to address my questions rather than let me get going. ##Unvote | ||
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Hapahauli
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[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: [QUOTE]On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote: Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker. We should kill Morbidius.[/QUOTE] Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. [b]##unvote ##vote MrZentor[/b[]/QUOTE] Justifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote ##vote MrZentor Justifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. | ||
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On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote: This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. | ||
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On December 17 2012 05:41 Djodref wrote: Do we need to consolidate on Mondi ? Why is everybody ignoring my proposition to lynch theesr on a policy lynch ? He's playing like lynch-bait. From what kush has been saying, lynching him is literally flipping a coin and praying. Morbidius is both a lurker, and has a pretty decent chance to flip scum. | ||
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On December 17 2012 05:46 thrawn2112 wrote: and we already know that's his plan for the whole game, why should we allow it as a viable strat? Because Morbidius is a viable lynch candidate based on his own play. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=36#718 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#746 | ||
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On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote: You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. I'm taking more time to defend myself than your case deserves. Apparently you're ignoring it all and refusing to read my defense. So you accuse me of lying when you're simply misrepresenting my filter (a.k.a. "lying"). | ||
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Based on the votecount, the flip, and the dyanmics of the lynch (fairly last-minute), I'd expect scum to have their votes pretty spread out, and not giving a shit about the outcome. | ||
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On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote: i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote: Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? | ||
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On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote: Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch. Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote: This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. All this post is lies. I've explained exactly why here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760 Your response has been to ignore all of it: On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote: You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote: 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Eywa- Introduction: One of my weaknesses as a player is catching more active mafia players. I tend to read into activity as genuinity a little too much. When I unvoted Eywa- earlier, it was partially because of that. While he came into the thread, he all of a sudden was actively pushing a case (against myself), and he looked to me like a confirmation-bias spewing townie. However, when you really examine his play from yesterday, that's just simply not the case. If there's one player that was pushing mafia objectives yesterday, it was Eywa-. Table of Contents: 1) Ewya's "Case" 2) Ewya "Addressing" My Defenses 3) Ewya "Pushing" His Case (or, why this is isn't simply him being stupid town) 4) Post-Lynch Anger ***This one is the most damning*** #1: Ewya's "Case" Against me First let's establish the context of Eywa's case. 1) He was absent for most of Day 1 2) When he arrived in the thread, he started bombing suspicion against a player who had no chance of getting lynched (myself). The second point is the most relevant. It's a very common mafia tactic to bomb a third party case to create chaos in the town. It's also very common for mafia to push a player who has no chance of getting lynched, as they can appear to be useful while not doing anything for the town. Now none of this makes him scum alone (yet), however, when you start to look at the content of his cases, it's very very lacking. Basically Eywa's entire point against me is that I've been "bandwagonning." The spoiler below is his compilation of posts on the subject: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote: Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping: ##vote hapahauli If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote: Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote: This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. One way for mafia to avoid making analysis is to be obsessed with irrelevant topics. In this case, Eywa- is obssessed with the idea of bandwagonning. Even though bandwagonning has no relevance to one's allignment, he uses it as a talking point over and over again. But more importantly, he's somehow 100% convinced that I'm scum based on this talking point, which is nonsensical. #2: Eywa- "Addressing" My Defense Initially thinking he was a confirmation-bais ladened townie, I took some time to address his accusations. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760 Here for example, I made a fairly long and well laid out post for why his accusations were wrong. His replies: On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote: You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote: 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you. Eywa straight-up ignores me. He doesn't even read my defense. He doesn't attempt to analyze it. Instead, he keeps screaming "Hapa is scum" without any substance. A townie would atleast attempt to read my defense. Eywa doesn't - he keeps trying to push his suspicion while avoiding any attempts at analysis. #3: Eywa "Pushing" His Case The problem is that Eywa doesn't push his case against me. He's more concerned about justifying his own vote on me rather than convincing others to vote for his top scumread. For example: On December 17 2012 01:30 Eywa- wrote: While you make a decent case against Thrawn, I still think that there is more of a case against hapahauli, thus I will not change my vote. On December 17 2012 03:06 Eywa- wrote: It is not my first time playing mafia, it is my first time playing TL Mafia. Previous character profiles are a nuisance to the town, they generally bring people to quick and unfortunate assumptions, if someone plays a certain way 10 times and are a townie every time, why wouldn't they play the same way once they got mafia? It's common sense... Previous knowledge can be used for serious meta-games, stay away from it. Otherwise, it suffices to say that: I am not going to jump on someone else's band wagon just because it's a popular choice. I will remain with my vote on hapahauli. I don't believe him to be a town. On December 17 2012 05:16 Eywa- wrote: He's randomly hopped onto about 5-6 people willy nilly just because it sounds like a good idea at the time, I'd get rid of him (as I've said from my first post, my mind hasn't changed and there is nothing that has been posted that seems more accusation worthy than how he's hopped around). Look at all the above posts. He's not trying to get me lynched. He's trying tell everyone "Hey! I have a reason to vote this guy!" The ONLY time he ever attempts to get other people to lynch me is the following: On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote: You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Look at that weak-ass shit. "Please guys, sway your votes." This coming from the guy who is foaming at the mouth that I am scum. #4: Eywa's Post-Lynch Anger Eywa made this post a couple of hours before the deadline... On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. ... which struck me as really odd for it's pessimism. So what does town Eywa- do when he thinks townies are going to the gallows and he's convinced I'm scum? NOTHING! That's right! Nothing! While the town scrambles to put together a lynch at the last minute, this is what he does in the last 25 minutes: On December 17 2012 05:38 Eywa- wrote: I didn't intend to, if it happened, I apologize. On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote: You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this: On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote: Q: Which townie predicted this? A: Eywa- I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member. HERP DERP ALL YOU GUYS SUCK I AM AWESOME 'CAUSE I PREDICTED THIS AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT. In conclusion, lynch Eywa- tomorrow. He's pushing mafia objectives, he has no case against me, he didn't push said case against me, and his post-lynch anger is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread. | ||
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