Two things to note about the red/bolded passage: 1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good." 2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees that my voting theory is possible. This is odd, considering his next post.
Like I totally get that town DP is capable of tunneling bad townies. However scum DP is far more aggressive with it, and does so with much more desperation.
You were asking questions to one of the newer players (drazak) and overall trying to keep a cooperative atmosphere.
Here, it feels like you're tunneling Djo in the most forced manner possible. I find the "tunneling bad town" in such an aggressive manner rather hallmark of your scumplay.
You were asking questions to one of the newer players (drazak) and overall trying to keep a cooperative atmosphere.
Here, it feels like you're tunneling Djo in the most forced manner possible. I find the "tunneling bad town" in such an aggressive manner rather hallmark of your scumplay.
On December 15 2012 13:13 DarthPunk wrote: Assume for the moment I am town. What do you think of the sheeple on my wagon. Thrawn in particular?
Djo seems pretty townie so far. Didn't have much guilt when he was responding, and his early vote was basically due to a genuine misunderstanding. I don't think that Thrawn vote means much. I'll get a hang of his alignment throughout D1 based on how active/engaged he is.
On December 15 2012 13:10 Hapahauli wrote: Hmm IRC chat seems to corroborate that you're in a bad mood. I can also chalk up most of my case to you being rather angry as well.
##Unvote
It is unfair to use IRC as info in this game. like. grievously unfair.
Perhaps a bit unsportsmanlke, but it's allowed in the rules.
On December 15 2012 13:18 DarthPunk wrote: Right. Why was your case so uncharacteristically bad originally?
Well you're not going to get an objective answer to that...
It's a genuine question. I have never seen a case that poor from you as town. It set alarm bells ringing immediately.
Well in my mind I had posted the "abridged" version. Probably a mix of laziness and that the "idea" I was pushing was rather hard to communicate in writing (involves tracking logic, assumptions, etc).
On December 15 2012 13:18 DarthPunk wrote: Right. Why was your case so uncharacteristically bad originally?
Well you're not going to get an objective answer to that...
It's a genuine question. I have never seen a case that poor from you as town. It set alarm bells ringing immediately.
Well in my mind I had posted the "abridged" version. Probably a mix of laziness and that the "idea" I was pushing was rather hard to communicate in writing (involves tracking logic, assumptions, etc).
I went from point a) to point b) for a couple of reasons: 1) A lot of it is actually explainable by the fact that you were angry 2) Your responses seemed pretty townie. Instantaneous, no-guilt, etc. 3) I started to realize that I was pushing the most active player in the thread, which served very little purpose.
'Dat JieXian Post
Daaaaaayum that's scummy. I'm going to have to read through his meta before I'm willing to jump on something like that though.
On December 15 2012 16:10 Hapahauli wrote: Kinda disconcerting to see kush normal crazy self. Draz also showed up bigtime with his new "aggressive" playstle...
Oh haha I completely didn't notice that post of yours. But regarding the town reads thing, I'm still going to post mine to the ends that I need to. I won't be building town-cases or anything, but it's something that's an integral part of my playstyle, and I'm not scared enough of a couple of mafia vigi shots to care about it.
Hm well I expected to wake up to much more than 30 new posts.
And kush, you have no right to be suspicious of me for an "overreaching" early D1 case when you've been as useful as a sack of used condoms so far.
Your suspicions on Djo ring rather hollow (and pretty fucking scummy) when you quote a 1-liner of his and acknowledge your read as mostly based on gut feeling.
On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads)
Saying that "you changed your mind" on a read is pretty easy to do in a post. Why didn't you simply say so? Also, if you changed your mind on a read, why would you even mention an outdated read in the first place?
Also, you called us (myself, DP, perhaps some others) all town. That's a problem.
Btw, a handful of one-liner posts does not make you an "active" participant. You still are a lurker, just there are a billion other players who've been even worse.
Btw, you mentioned that you would be aggressive this game, but I've seen none of it so far. What gives?
On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't
what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town.
The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote.
Hmmmm ok here's an arbitrary case on Djo that's "mostly a feel read." But he's still my biggest scumread.
this game is full of lurkers, but I think most of them are going to get modkilled or replaced. I will vote for a lurker who is avoiding modkill, and right now this includes drazak and threesr.
But fuck voting for my top scumread, I'm voting for lurkerzzzzzz!
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