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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 00:37 GMT
#865
It isn't my only metric. But the fact that someone who I found scummy before any Oats association has pretty strong ties with him is pretty hard to just glance over and ignore.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 00:38 GMT
#866
As I said i was going to judge more based on Day2, but I think my chances of making it through the night phase are pretty slim.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 00:46 GMT
#872
Yeah I would say of the lurkier people in the game Arn is the most suspicious. His case on me that he posted was pretty much all the same points Oats made, and for him making such a large case, and not posting anything else on anyone, he sure didn't stay committed to his read.

On December 05 2012 11:21 Arnarnion wrote:
Based on the general style in which players have been approaching the game I have a couple of reads

First with regards to Yam Man, I have a bit of town read on him based mainly on the way he has been approaching the game by asking questions, even if they have been aggressive. This style of play seems to be harsh but information driven town play since it is actually creating an environment where conversation can actually move forward. This should be obvious given the fact we are still talking about it. If his move against Axle was scum motivated, to what end? He would possibly get Axle lynched and then be cast into immediate suspicion on D2, since he would called out for pushing a mis-lynch. This question oriented play style promotes clarity of peoples intentions, which is ultimate of town's goals

In contrast, all of Dickstart's actions have seemed to be aimed towards stalling the game. First, and I've made this point a couple of times, his wishy washy approach to pointing FoS on Yam Man did not help players understand the possible intentions. The fact that he put suspicion on Yam without trying to ask Yam why he acted the way he did does not provide information from Yam on whether he is scum or not. Kick did not ask for Yam's opinion on the accusation and instead attempted to get our reads on Yam without really committing to his own. Why would a town do this? This seems like a very scummy play, trying to get a case on player moving the conversation forward without actually providing any strong evidence on why that player is scum and fishing for scum reads from the rest of town to get that player lynched.
As for his case:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 15:59 Kickstart wrote:
Right, I know it is early in the game but I am just going to throw this out there and try to make it as comprehensive as I can to try and get some real conversation going. So far I have some suspicions on Yamato and Rad. (I will also note that as an aside that Rad defended Yamato against one of my questions but association cases are bad day 1, just interesting that there are two people I find suspicious and one is defending the other.)

Yamato77
As I have stated before, I find Yamato's incessant policy talk a bit suspicious and that was the first thing to draw my attention to him. I have to look at it and see what his possible intentions could be. As town, policy talk is ok to start with, but I think it is best to say what needs to be said and not dwell on it much, where as scum would try and drown the thread with as much policy talk as possible as it is really unlikely to gain any useful information from it.
Taking a look at Yamato's filter shows that most of it is policy talk and then he has an exchange with Axl. Now on his points against Axl I am in agreement. Axl is posting way too much in the way of "I am a noob and everyone else here is better than me" and things of that sort, and I too expect this to end. But I am not sure if the way Yamato reacted to this is town oriented. I can't help but feel that from a town perspective, someone would be a bit more helpful and not putting so much pressure on him and then throwing a vote on him when he doesn't respond. To elaborate a bit:

So far Axl is putting out this vibe of being a noobie. Now I won't say town or scum because he is not doing a great job of answering questions and is really posting way too much about how noobie he thinks he is. To me, a town would look at this and react by first encouraging Axl but then pushing him slightly. A good example would be to give some support but to remind him that he needs to just post what he is thinking and why for the sake of town clarity. Here is my post directed at Axl:

On December 04 2012 15:11 Kickstart wrote:
Axle being new is not a bad thing and being unsure isn't. In my first game I didn't really know what I was doing either (and to say I know exactly what I am doing now would be a stretch) but I just tried to be as honest as I could and put my thoughts and opinions out there and that alone will show what your intentions are. If you are town, and you tell everyone what you think and why, then you have done your job (as far as confirming your "townyness" (or whatever the right word is) is concerned), the only other thing to do is to try and find scum, but it should be clear who you think is scum when you give your thoughts and the reasoning behind them.

Also, if you haven't already, contact the coaches, they signed up because they want to help so don't be afraid to talk with them. [that is true for everyone in the thread]


I gave as much support as I could but I also made it clear that it is important for Axl to post what he is thinking and why; and note that other players reacted in much the same way as I did.

Now look at the way Yamato reacts to Axl:

On December 04 2012 12:19 yamato77 wrote:
On December 04 2012 12:16 AxleGreaser wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:22 yamato77 wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:19 AxleGreaser wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:09 jidolboy wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@jidolboy

What do you believe is the best thing for a good town atmosphere Day 1?



I'm not too sure but talking about random things is a good way to tart guess. I mean there is nothing else to talk about because nothing major had happened yet


The social parts of the discussion break the ice and get things going.
The on topic parts, such as what is our plan and objective let you see if people are deflecting away from anything.



Not to badger you, but do you have thoughts on lurker lynching? Or any ideas about day 1 town plans?


your question has two parts.
What were you trying to find out when you asked this question.
What did you want to achieve.
Or any ideas about day 1 town plans?

Lurker lynch discussion IS a day one plan in my opinion, at least early on where people don't have much to talk about anyway. You weren't responding so I decided to ask you again, because your input is valuable to MY evaluation process. So in essence it's the same question. Either you participate in the lurker lynch discussion or offer up your own plan of action for town day one.


On December 04 2012 12:20 yamato77 wrote:
EBWOP: Or you lurk and avoid my questions until I vote for you.


On December 04 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote:
By the way right now it seems like you're avoiding me.


On December 04 2012 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
EBWOP: Oh, you actually ARE avoiding me, cool.

##Vote AxleGreaser


This is almost the exact opposite reaction that I and pretty much everyone else in the thread have displayed in regards to Axl. Yamato is being really aggressive (I used the term badgering earlier). He doesn't see that there is a timid first timer and try and be encouraging but productive, he instead seems to try and take this opportunity to attack and throw his vote onto a noobie town.

Here he attacks Yam's use of pressure, which as I've already stated, seems to be more of a town play than scum. Also, going after weaker noobs is more indicative of a town looking for answers, and a scum player would be more focused on targeting noobs who were playing scummily.
Kick also gives HIMSELF as an example of proper treatment of confused noobs, which basically says "Hey, guys look at what a good town I am!! I'm not picking on poor defenseless Axle, and anyone who does is clearly scum!" This is a shit argument since it only says that players who play nice are town and players who are jerks are clearly scum, and by the way, Kick plays nice and thus must be town. I fear it comes from a mischievous scum looking to get a mislynch on a semi-suspicious player than from a concerned town and so I'm going to go ahead and ##Vote Kickstart


For such a huge wall of text case he sure dropped it pretty quickly.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 01:02 GMT
#881
Interdasting. I suppose CC protected me too, I shall avenge you CC!
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 01:06 GMT
#885
Yamato a bit less scummy to me now. As he seemed to be gearing up to have it out with CC this day phase.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 01:09 GMT
#886
Between Arn and Rad I guess. YOU LURKERS WANNA CHIME IN ANY TIME?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 02:56 GMT
#905
@Axle

Given the Day1 lynch of Oats turning out to be a successful scum hit, and then Cheese being night killed during night 1, who do you feel is most likely to be the second scum.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 06:29 GMT
#917
On December 07 2012 15:08 Rad wrote:
I'm sorry for doubting you back then kick.


Rofl
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 06:29 GMT
#918
I have no clue what he is on about atm
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 06:38 GMT
#919
Axle you are putting all your energy into the wrong things. You need to evaluate THIS thread, and the players in THIS game, and find the SCUM. Anything else is unimportant and unhelpful.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 06:54 GMT
#922
I don't see the relevance of the questions to finding scum. But my answer would be the first option. Playing to win THIS game is the correct way to play.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 11:36 GMT
#928
Not voting and not actively looking for scum does not help town. Taking a pacifist stance in this game does not help town. Providing reads on on people is helping town, pointing out people and actions that you find suspicious or questionable is beneficial to town. I can promise you Axle, that if you continue on this pacifist approach of just sitting back and letting everyone go about their business without interfering, that you will not be around for long (assuming the game progresses to that point). One demonstrates that they are town by actively trying to find scum, not by being a pacifist and sitting around doing nothing.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 11:58 GMT
#933
I am so on the verge of just getting rid of you.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#934
I take it back, I must keep finding scum my main priority, but holy crap Axle you are frustrating me.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 13:20 GMT
#937
He makes no sense at all and at this point is is just aggravating. I don't want to vote him off because that goes against the point of the game and the win condition to find the scum. But then he can just continue posting meaningless gibberish all game that gives me nothing to go on. I can assume he is town and has no clue what he is doing, but if he is scum and just posting random bullshit I will never ever play another game with him in it again.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 13:24 GMT
#938
And now he is detracting from the game because everyone is preoccupied with his shit posts.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 13:32 GMT
#940
Which would be complete bullshit and I would push for him to be banned. He should be anyways. Either way this is my first and last game with him in it.

Anyways enough of that, I am done talking about him as it is pointless. Anything further will be up to the moderators discretion.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 13:37 GMT
#942
##Vote: AxleGreaser

whatever
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 18:01 GMT
#951
Do you not listen to a single word anyone has said to you. Are you just going to refuse to try and scumhunt at all?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 19:49 GMT
#958
Now you are thinking Axle, good on ya. I was actually going to make a case on Rad based partially on his vote on you just now. But before I do so, would you want to justify your vote on him a bit more?

To better phrase it, could you give us a comprehensive explanation as to why you have the read you do on Rad?
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