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AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 16:42 GMT
#821
Actually I cant be certain what I read, so I cant state I didnt.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Arnarnion
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada39 Posts
December 06 2012 17:01 GMT
#822
I voted for Oats because a no lynch seemed more detrimental to town than either a scum lynch or a mislynch. So I voted him hoping that if he flipped scum, he flipped scum and yay, one down and one to go, or if he flipped town, clearer reads could be made on people who voted for him or against him. A no lynch would do nothing good for town besides keeping a possible scummer or a possible town alive and scum could then pull off an easy NK. When I voted, I voted for coin flip reasons, which aren't very good reasons but I felt it would be better for town than to let nothing happen.
The Omega Spider of Hip-Hop
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 06 2012 20:33 GMT
#823
I am a bit worried that I may not make it through the night because I think the lynch on Oats has pretty much solidified my position as town. Thus, I want to reiterate who I am suspicious of so that if I do go at least my thoughts are recorded. This isn't a case on either of them because I am just reposting what I have already said.

I think that given the events thus far the most likely people to people to be scum are Rad or Yamto.

Rad
  • A strong association between him and Oats. He defended Oats against CC's case, and he was with Oats on the wagon on me.
  • Slightly scummy when you take away the Oats association, it is hard to separate his actions from those of Oats because they had the same opinions most of the time, but it is possible that he reached his conclusions without talking with Oats (being the scum team), but independent of that it does seem that he just jumped on a wagon and was aiming to do so from the beginning (his jumping on my joke and him later voting my immediately after I had put a vote on Axle).


Yamato
  • Yamato, unlike Rad, is more scummy on his own, there is no real association case to be made between him and Oats. Early on Oats listed Yamato as a scum read (though he did do a 180 on his read, the cause of much suspicion), and Yamato never bought into the wagon on me.
  • Yamato has not done much in the way of scum hunting this game. His posts thus far can be summed up like this:
    1. Debating policy lynches
    2. Focusing on Axle
    3. Arguing with me about whether my suspicion on him is justified
    4. Lurking for a bit
    5. Back onto Axle again


I already made posts/cases about these points and there is not much new to add, so I am throwing it out that so that they can be watched more closely in upcoming cycles (in case I am night killed). I think going forward people need to be forced to lurk less because at this point it is ridiculous. A majority of the players are getting away without posting anything in the way of reads and this is unacceptable as it hinders any attempt at having a town favored environment. That being said, right now my strongest scum read is on Rad because I find the association between him and Oats to be far too strong to just overlook it. Yamato is my second scum read, because while his play thus far is suspect, it can be written off as lazy town play (and in that case he is not as bad as all the lurkers in this game). I think it will be important to watch both of throughout the upcoming day cycle and see if they do anything that adds to their scummyness, in which case they are likely to be the last scum.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 06 2012 21:03 GMT
#824
@Kick

You forgot the part where Yamato was rolling his face over me for criticizing Oat's shitty case. Point

On December 05 2012 03:02 yamato77 wrote:
Ok, so you agree that Oats could conceivably find kick suspicious? Then you are basically only disagreeing with his method of applying pressure which is a stylistic choice. Why criticise Oats for making a town favored play if you think it might actually catch scum?

Unless, that is, you know kick isn't scum.


Implying Oats was at all town favored.

I'm leaning towards Yamato for the last scum. Imo Rad actually thought you were scum--I found him slightly suspect at first, but now I'm not so sure. Darn sure tries a hell of a lot harder to push your case. Ofc, I don't think the people who voted for Oats have a better chance at flipping scum, simply because scum did not need to bus Oats. Could have easily not voted for him and went for the no-lynch. Especially Arn, he could have simply just not voted Oats and been done with it.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 06 2012 21:09 GMT
#825
Yeah, I pissed both of them off early on (Rad and Yamato) so both of them ended up agreeing with Oats in his crusade against me (even though it was bullshit, they were mad at me :D), so it is a bit difficult to tell if they were just pissed with me or working with Oats.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 21:12 GMT
#826
I have explained twice now that I saw it as a town favored play because I also found kick suspicious. If you want to lynch me over that then go ahead but it's a shitty reason.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#827
I still have no idea why Yamato insisted that we shit up the thread with that 2 page long conversation where he just attacks me for telling Oats his arguments weren't that valid in a case against you. He kept going "Omg it's just a pressure play, y u mad about it?" How did he know it was JUST a pressure play and not a real case?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 21:15 GMT
#828
Also, nice opportunistic timing on posting that. Wait until kick posts his suspicion of me and then throw some weak WIFOM association bullshit on top of it.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 06 2012 21:18 GMT
#829
On December 05 2012 01:33 yamato77 wrote:
Oats I don't understand how you say you have a scum read on me and then attack kick for the same read.


Actually, i just found this quote so IDK if you were in the team with Oats. Scum usually don't point out stuff like that to each other (in the QT, they would, not in the thread).

Being all flip floppy right now.

That said, scum usually have difficulty keep the same read on their partner. They can fake reads for the rest of the town, but when it comes to their scumbuddy they typically have difficulty reading where they stand in the thread. A bunch of WIFOM, I know.

Also, Oats said that lynching him for 180ing his read on you was stupid >.>.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 21:18 GMT
#830
On December 07 2012 06:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I still have no idea why Yamato insisted that we shit up the thread with that 2 page long conversation where he just attacks me for telling Oats his arguments weren't that valid in a case against you. He kept going "Omg it's just a pressure play, y u mad about it?" How did he know it was JUST a pressure play and not a real case?

Because that is what I had done to Axle. Looking at his arguments, it didn't seem that convincing but kick would have to address the suspicion. I liked the play at the time and you shitting on it made me suspicious.
Writer@WriterYamato
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 06 2012 21:18 GMT
#831
Yamato also implied that he thought I was town though , or at least wasn't so sure that I was scummy -Not sure how far you can unravel that line of thought (that he said Oats was playing town). He did use the same "it is just a pressure play" argument when I FoSed him for voting Axle ;o, dunno if that tells us anything -_-
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 06 2012 21:20 GMT
#832
On December 07 2012 06:15 yamato77 wrote:
Also, nice opportunistic timing on posting that. Wait until kick posts his suspicion of me and then throw some weak WIFOM association bullshit on top of it.


Association cases are valid atm because we have a red flip. Don't get all butthurt plx.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 06 2012 21:21 GMT
#833
Us 3 are the only really active ones in the thread either way, lol. Don't expect much from anyone else :p
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 06 2012 21:39 GMT
#834
I wish I could ban all the lurkers. Sign up to play mafia then have 3 posts to your name. The eff.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 21:41 GMT
#835
Why do you keep trying to make me less suspicious of you every time I post something about you? It's all Hakuna Matata with you. Buddy buddy with kick and you don't act at all like town CC did when he was suspicious last game. CC hiding simething .
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 06 2012 22:15 GMT
#836
Make you less suspicious of me? All I'm doing is giving a bunch of random stuff that could make the Oats/yamato scumteam make sense... some stuff just doesn't fit.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 06 2012 22:23 GMT
#837
Sorry I have to be a lurker during the day guys, I have to work =/ I'm much more active at night. Posting a lot during the day (when I'm working) in past games made me wonder if I should even play this game at all (and is why I skipped last newbie), so I'm really forcing myself to not get too drawn into it until I'm done working for the day.

Please take note though that yamato and I are most suspicious right now because we've put ourselves out there for town scrutiny. Had either of us lurked and throw out our opinions sparingly and jumped on the oats train, we'd be in the same position as the other lurkers. Both of us, instead, interacted, made our thoughts known, and stuck to them.

Take that however you will, but I'm getting an angry townie feel from yamato, the same one as your last game. He's given that same exact vibe for most of this game. I think it's especially interesting that he's not convinced in town CC. Talk about picking the hardest target to throw suspicion on...
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 22:36 GMT
#838
I find when I like where Town play is going, and currently I do, when focus has indeed been drawn, if town is being effective. Often the best thing to do is nothing more.
I do what I done since birth best, watch QQ and evaluate. I have worked out my most in town meta, this dog just will not bite EVER.
What else I will do best is ask questions small, simple, exposing questions.
That is not what I did as I was so green, but now I have some experience I think asking the right questions is my most powerful pro town tool. I am watching, because i can.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 06 2012 22:41 GMT
#839
On December 07 2012 07:23 Rad wrote:
Sorry I have to be a lurker during the day guys, I have to work =/ I'm much more active at night. Posting a lot during the day (when I'm working) in past games made me wonder if I should even play this game at all (and is why I skipped last newbie), so I'm really forcing myself to not get too drawn into it until I'm done working for the day.

Please take note though that yamato and I are most suspicious right now because we've put ourselves out there for town scrutiny. Had either of us lurked and throw out our opinions sparingly and jumped on the oats train, we'd be in the same position as the other lurkers. Both of us, instead, interacted, made our thoughts known, and stuck to them.

Take that however you will, but I'm getting an angry townie feel from yamato, the same one as your last game. He's given that same exact vibe for most of this game. I think it's especially interesting that he's not convinced in town CC. Talk about picking the hardest target to throw suspicion on...


Ugh, that's the read I've had on Yamato entire D1 and it infuriates me hehe. Still can't trust you though, sorry Raddy boy. I just don't see why mafia would bus their own guy D1 when they could have easily went for no-lynch. First two were lurkers who sheeped off my case, and then arn went off syl when I told him he didn't care about the lynch. Could be them I guess, but what's the point in getting your own dude lynched D1 when you could be in a way better position D2?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 22:46 GMT
#840
Town cred? We could WIFOM about it all day but being on the Oats wagon does not accuse anyone of suspicion.
Writer@WriterYamato
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