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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 06 2012 06:31 GMT
#801
Nah I'm with you on the Axle point (I threw down a vote on him d1 too!) But yeah, just scumhunt Axle, stop doing whatever else it is you are doing.

With that it is bed time, see you all later!
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 06:58 GMT
#802
Just some general thoughts after reading people's filters after the Oats scum flip.

Arn - Your last minute switch seems like a town consolidating but you never really give any good reasons why you think Oats is scum at all. In fact, you were pretty adamant about them both being town in a couple posts you made. So why vote for Oats at all? Your play of trying to divert attention away from Oats/Kick by voting for Sylencia could definitely be interpreted as a scummy move.

Jidol - Your filter is tiny but you have acted more like town would so far than scum.

Sylencia - See above.

CC - I don't really like that you seemed in favor of the vote switch to Syl. It makes me think you were less influential in getting Oats lynched than you want to appear to have been. Even your case on him was made with halfhearted effort with a joke about being bored at the end. You are playing much more of a self-image focused game than a true scum hunt game.

Kick - Fairly obviously town at this point. Sorry for being suspicious of you early but you kinda threw around your suspicions more than I cared for.

Rad - You look the most guilty from the Oats flip but I think you saw what I saw in Kick's play which is what Oats tried to play with to get a mislynch. I don't think scum would have been so close because of the chance of this happening.

Axle - Are you even taking this game seriously?
Writer@WriterYamato
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 10:06 GMT
#803
Actually very seriously which is why I have felt so stressed.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 10:06 GMT
#804
Do you have any question you wish to ask me
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 10:07 GMT
#805
Are you still here?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 10:17 GMT
#806
@yamato77 Id like to chat
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 10:20 GMT
#807
I'm here.
Writer@WriterYamato
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 10:26 GMT
#808
@yamato77
When I was questioning Oats about Why scum and Town would do things
did you find those questions interesting?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 10:27 GMT
#809
@yamato77 Oh and are you going to be here for a while?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 10:40 GMT
#810
I think they are probably good questions to have the answers to.

I mean, that is the point of this entire game. You have to be able to discern what is scum play and what is town play. But when you are playing in a real game, you need to be able to extract the information necessary to make a solid read on whether someone's play is scum or not. And then you need to communicate that read in an effective and convincing manner so that the rest of town can see what you have seen.

I don't think you have done any of these things yet. Your biggest posts seem like a joke because they are calling into question the alignment of the host, an entity not directly involved in the play of this game. I'm sorry this game has stressed you out, but if town were in a worse position they would be more likely to lynch you at this point because of your lack of contribution. I voted for you because it is seriously difficult to tell sometimes whether you are being earnest it just trolling us hardcore and that makers it more difficult to play this game as a town player.

Now I am going to bed. If you want to help town win, think about what I have said.
Writer@WriterYamato
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 10:42 GMT
#811
The questions start here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129013
and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129392
if that is a help
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 06 2012 10:55 GMT
#812
Those were good questions but you never really followed it up with anything definitive. If you thought Oats was scum at that point in time you should have been more aggressive in questioning his motives.
Writer@WriterYamato
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 11:39 GMT
#813
Case on Yamato77

Basis interference with question of Oats, when he now says
I think they are probably good questions to have the answers to.
I mean, that is the point of this entire game.
You have to be able to discern what is scum play and what is town play.

Why wasn't he listening to the answers when he was there, and why post other stuff in the middle of it.
What was the purpose of the other stuff?
Would you have done that, and do you think he would if he was town?

Starting here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17128988
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129392
I then proceed to question him for about 2 hours
(Why is no longer important, now that he has flipped red.)

Why did Yamato repeatedly interrupt this?
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2012 22:01 yamato77 wrote:
Kick is playing different from last game. Gonna have to read his filter from Mario Mini.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2012 23:33 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I could say that about you too
I agree with CC in the last game, meta over 2-3 games is not really identifiable though :/

I think we should scumhunt using more normal scumhunting methods.

Yeah, I know you could say that about me. I have almost certainly played completely different from last game.

But kick's difference I think could be meaningful. I'm not entirely sure.


Why choose now to reply to this challenge to Yam, if he knows hes town
why not just see if these questions of mine turns out a better alternative?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129692
Isn't this promoting confusion?
and again .... btw I have been talking to him for a some time hadn't you noticed?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129752
and again
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17130028
Here I finish rather pleasantly an innocuously.
The question is where does the now known to scum rabbit run?
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 05 2012 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Umm if your criteria for finding scum is how they scumhunt then ok.....
Hey yamato, do you have any reads?



Aside
+ Show Spoiler +

Umm if your criteria for finding scum is how they scumhunt then ok.....

And it is
scum do things such as help people, to buddy up to them, help them do
less useful things, and to gain sway and influence over emotional decisions
town do things such as help people, who have just been squitted to recover
afterwards, so they can be active again.

Indeed Oats original post this one can be justified by town motivation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=292&topic_id=385389
It did indeed help me. Ta.



##Vote Yamato



Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 06 2012 11:50 GMT
#814
It is the night phase, there is not a lynch to vote for right now. You have 13 hours until the night phase ends
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 11:50 GMT
#815
UBER EBWOP

Case on Yamato77

Basis: interference with my questioning of Oats, when he now says of that questioning
I think they are probably good questions to have the answers to.
I mean, that is the point of this entire game.
You have to be able to discern what is scum play and what is town play.

Why wasn't he listening to the answers when he was there, and why post other stuff in the middle of it?
What was the purpose of the other stuff?
Would you have done that, and do you think he would if he was town?

Starting here I was asking Oats a long series of questions
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17128988
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129392
I then proceed to question him for about 2 hours
(Why is no longer important, now that he has flipped red.)

Why did Yamato repeatedly interrupt this?
Once might be an error, repeatedly is a pattern.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2012 22:01 yamato77 wrote:
Kick is playing different from last game. Gonna have to read his filter from Mario Mini.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2012 23:33 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I could say that about you too
I agree with CC in the last game, meta over 2-3 games is not really identifiable though :/

I think we should scumhunt using more normal scumhunting methods.

Yeah, I know you could say that about me. I have almost certainly played completely different from last game.

But kick's difference I think could be meaningful. I'm not entirely sure.


Why choose now to reply to this challenge to Yam, if he knows hes town
why not just see if these questions of mine turns out a better alternative?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129692
Isn't this promoting confusion?
and again .... btw I have been talking to him for a some time hadn't you noticed?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129752
and again
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17130028
Here I finish rather pleasantly an innocuously.
The question is where does the now known to scum rabbit run?
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 05 2012 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Umm if your criteria for finding scum is how they scumhunt then ok.....
Hey yamato, do you have any reads?

back to Yam

An Aside
+ Show Spoiler +

Oats says:
Umm if your criteria for finding scum is how they scumhunt then ok.....

And it is
scum do things such as help people, to buddy up to them, help them do
less useful things, and to gain sway and influence over emotional decisions
town do things such as help people, who have just been squitted to recover
afterwards, so they can be active again.

Indeed Oats original post this one can be justified by town motivation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=292&topic_id=385389
It did indeed help me. Ta.


##Vote Yamato



Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 11:51 GMT
#816
EBWOP
##VOTE: Yamato77
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 11:52 GMT
#817
Sorry
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 06 2012 12:18 GMT
#818
No voting yet Axle, it is night phase so only scum and blue roles (if we have any in this setup) will do actions, but they the actions are sent to the host and then the host will tell us what has happened when night period ends. The best thing to do for night period is to get everything you are thinking out there in case you are night killed, because at that point you are out of the game.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 16:06 GMT
#819
Fuck Why didn't I read those games until now.
read every other dam thing.

Damn
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 06 2012 16:09 GMT
#820
This will certainly be the case of me turning around the hopeless seeming situation
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
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