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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 07 2012 00:27 GMT
#861
Honestly I am more suspicious than Rad.
Writer@WriterYamato
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 00:29 GMT
#862
If you don't take into account Oats associations then yes yamato you are more suspicious, but with them Rad becomes 100x more suspicious ;/. If he is town it is unfortunate he sided with such a scummer.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 07 2012 00:32 GMT
#863
I think you are taking this Oats association thing too heavily. It shouldn't be your only metric to measure people's play by.
Writer@WriterYamato
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 07 2012 00:33 GMT
#864
Kick, I have shit reads. See my last game w/ scum Clarity and my arguments with town Djo. Hell I even thought sylver was town until he gave up. After my first game, I ran to the QT and said something like "dandel's being framed!" and everyone's like "uhh sorry, dandel's obv scum." Give me a break >.> The association case with oats is bullshit.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 00:37 GMT
#865
It isn't my only metric. But the fact that someone who I found scummy before any Oats association has pretty strong ties with him is pretty hard to just glance over and ignore.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 00:38 GMT
#866
As I said i was going to judge more based on Day2, but I think my chances of making it through the night phase are pretty slim.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 07 2012 00:40 GMT
#867
Look at Arn's voting behavior. He has it on Kick, then when he realizes Kick will probably not be lynched, he unvotes. Then he votes the most suspicious lurker. Then he votes Oats after I call him out for not giving a fuck about who dies.

Idk. Blendy people are blendy.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 07 2012 00:40 GMT
#868
Yeah Kick, you prolly gonna be dun goofed up during the night.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 07 2012 00:41 GMT
#869
On December 07 2012 09:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Look at Arn's voting behavior. He has it on Kick, then when he realizes Kick will probably not be lynched, he unvotes. Then he votes the most suspicious lurker. Then he votes Oats after I call him out for not giving a fuck about who dies.

Idk. Blendy people are blendy.

I pointed him out and you shot me down.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 07 2012 00:43 GMT
#870
You said he seemed town?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 07 2012 00:44 GMT
#871
And then I went on to explain my doubts about his play
Writer@WriterYamato
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2012 00:46 GMT
#872
Yeah I would say of the lurkier people in the game Arn is the most suspicious. His case on me that he posted was pretty much all the same points Oats made, and for him making such a large case, and not posting anything else on anyone, he sure didn't stay committed to his read.

On December 05 2012 11:21 Arnarnion wrote:
Based on the general style in which players have been approaching the game I have a couple of reads

First with regards to Yam Man, I have a bit of town read on him based mainly on the way he has been approaching the game by asking questions, even if they have been aggressive. This style of play seems to be harsh but information driven town play since it is actually creating an environment where conversation can actually move forward. This should be obvious given the fact we are still talking about it. If his move against Axle was scum motivated, to what end? He would possibly get Axle lynched and then be cast into immediate suspicion on D2, since he would called out for pushing a mis-lynch. This question oriented play style promotes clarity of peoples intentions, which is ultimate of town's goals

In contrast, all of Dickstart's actions have seemed to be aimed towards stalling the game. First, and I've made this point a couple of times, his wishy washy approach to pointing FoS on Yam Man did not help players understand the possible intentions. The fact that he put suspicion on Yam without trying to ask Yam why he acted the way he did does not provide information from Yam on whether he is scum or not. Kick did not ask for Yam's opinion on the accusation and instead attempted to get our reads on Yam without really committing to his own. Why would a town do this? This seems like a very scummy play, trying to get a case on player moving the conversation forward without actually providing any strong evidence on why that player is scum and fishing for scum reads from the rest of town to get that player lynched.
As for his case:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 15:59 Kickstart wrote:
Right, I know it is early in the game but I am just going to throw this out there and try to make it as comprehensive as I can to try and get some real conversation going. So far I have some suspicions on Yamato and Rad. (I will also note that as an aside that Rad defended Yamato against one of my questions but association cases are bad day 1, just interesting that there are two people I find suspicious and one is defending the other.)

Yamato77
As I have stated before, I find Yamato's incessant policy talk a bit suspicious and that was the first thing to draw my attention to him. I have to look at it and see what his possible intentions could be. As town, policy talk is ok to start with, but I think it is best to say what needs to be said and not dwell on it much, where as scum would try and drown the thread with as much policy talk as possible as it is really unlikely to gain any useful information from it.
Taking a look at Yamato's filter shows that most of it is policy talk and then he has an exchange with Axl. Now on his points against Axl I am in agreement. Axl is posting way too much in the way of "I am a noob and everyone else here is better than me" and things of that sort, and I too expect this to end. But I am not sure if the way Yamato reacted to this is town oriented. I can't help but feel that from a town perspective, someone would be a bit more helpful and not putting so much pressure on him and then throwing a vote on him when he doesn't respond. To elaborate a bit:

So far Axl is putting out this vibe of being a noobie. Now I won't say town or scum because he is not doing a great job of answering questions and is really posting way too much about how noobie he thinks he is. To me, a town would look at this and react by first encouraging Axl but then pushing him slightly. A good example would be to give some support but to remind him that he needs to just post what he is thinking and why for the sake of town clarity. Here is my post directed at Axl:

On December 04 2012 15:11 Kickstart wrote:
Axle being new is not a bad thing and being unsure isn't. In my first game I didn't really know what I was doing either (and to say I know exactly what I am doing now would be a stretch) but I just tried to be as honest as I could and put my thoughts and opinions out there and that alone will show what your intentions are. If you are town, and you tell everyone what you think and why, then you have done your job (as far as confirming your "townyness" (or whatever the right word is) is concerned), the only other thing to do is to try and find scum, but it should be clear who you think is scum when you give your thoughts and the reasoning behind them.

Also, if you haven't already, contact the coaches, they signed up because they want to help so don't be afraid to talk with them. [that is true for everyone in the thread]


I gave as much support as I could but I also made it clear that it is important for Axl to post what he is thinking and why; and note that other players reacted in much the same way as I did.

Now look at the way Yamato reacts to Axl:

On December 04 2012 12:19 yamato77 wrote:
On December 04 2012 12:16 AxleGreaser wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:22 yamato77 wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:19 AxleGreaser wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:09 jidolboy wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@jidolboy

What do you believe is the best thing for a good town atmosphere Day 1?



I'm not too sure but talking about random things is a good way to tart guess. I mean there is nothing else to talk about because nothing major had happened yet


The social parts of the discussion break the ice and get things going.
The on topic parts, such as what is our plan and objective let you see if people are deflecting away from anything.



Not to badger you, but do you have thoughts on lurker lynching? Or any ideas about day 1 town plans?


your question has two parts.
What were you trying to find out when you asked this question.
What did you want to achieve.
Or any ideas about day 1 town plans?

Lurker lynch discussion IS a day one plan in my opinion, at least early on where people don't have much to talk about anyway. You weren't responding so I decided to ask you again, because your input is valuable to MY evaluation process. So in essence it's the same question. Either you participate in the lurker lynch discussion or offer up your own plan of action for town day one.


On December 04 2012 12:20 yamato77 wrote:
EBWOP: Or you lurk and avoid my questions until I vote for you.


On December 04 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote:
By the way right now it seems like you're avoiding me.


On December 04 2012 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
EBWOP: Oh, you actually ARE avoiding me, cool.

##Vote AxleGreaser


This is almost the exact opposite reaction that I and pretty much everyone else in the thread have displayed in regards to Axl. Yamato is being really aggressive (I used the term badgering earlier). He doesn't see that there is a timid first timer and try and be encouraging but productive, he instead seems to try and take this opportunity to attack and throw his vote onto a noobie town.

Here he attacks Yam's use of pressure, which as I've already stated, seems to be more of a town play than scum. Also, going after weaker noobs is more indicative of a town looking for answers, and a scum player would be more focused on targeting noobs who were playing scummily.
Kick also gives HIMSELF as an example of proper treatment of confused noobs, which basically says "Hey, guys look at what a good town I am!! I'm not picking on poor defenseless Axle, and anyone who does is clearly scum!" This is a shit argument since it only says that players who play nice are town and players who are jerks are clearly scum, and by the way, Kick plays nice and thus must be town. I fear it comes from a mischievous scum looking to get a mislynch on a semi-suspicious player than from a concerned town and so I'm going to go ahead and ##Vote Kickstart


For such a huge wall of text case he sure dropped it pretty quickly.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 07 2012 00:48 GMT
#873
I never shot you down about Arn. In fact, I said you should be more suspicious of him than me :D
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 07 2012 00:51 GMT
#874
Arn is also the only person to have an initial "scumread" on Kick, then switch to Oats. There were two sides people were taking, Oats side or Kicks side (or neutral). Why the sudden switch?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 07 2012 00:57 GMT
#875
He did give a really weak explanation about not wanting a mislynch.
Writer@WriterYamato
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
December 07 2012 01:00 GMT
#876
Stop Posting
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
December 07 2012 01:00 GMT
#877
End of Night 1



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Figure 3. He wasn't "allegedly" frozen, he was frozen. Like a lego leftover.


Someone had wanted everyone in the town to see this.

In the center of the town was a giant block of ice. Enclosed in that block of ice, one Mr. Cheesecake. It was a horrifying image. Mothers shielded their children's eyes as those same children strained to see around their mother's protecting hands.

No one in the town really knew what to do at this point. Could they somehow rescue Mr. Cheesecake? Would they just have to leave the block there until it melted? Was Mr. Cheesecake still alive, and this was some sort of race against time? Who was the milkman? No one really knew the answer to any of these questions.

Fortunately, the town coroner did. "He's dead. Someone get me a blowtorch so we can get him out of here."

Mr. Cheesecake the doctor was found frozen solid!



Day 2 has begun! You have 48 hours to find whoever is responsible for "allegedly" freezing him.

Note that there are no clues this game. Any names used above are purely for flavor.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 01:06:56
December 07 2012 01:01 GMT
#878
GL town, kill the scum



Edit: Popcorn
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
December 07 2012 01:01 GMT
#879
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 07 2012 01:01 GMT
#880
GG CC
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