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On December 05 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 11:57 Kickstart wrote: Since you asked kindly I will entertain you.
a) no one was really suspicious of before (or at least no one had posted about) and b) are not one of the "easy targets" (there are several first timers here, some of whom are lurking, and I did not go after any of them) So how you can say I am stalling when I am bringing up new points against players who had no pressure at all on them is strange to me.
You then call me wishy washy about my suspicion of Yamato. Maybe you should look up what wishy washy, because I have been nothing but firm with my stance that I found his interactions with Axl and his general posting up until that point to be suspicious. You then accuse me of trying to start a case on someone without providing anything to back it up (which is strange since right after you post my large post). I have given a more comprehensive post on why I have my suspicions than anyone thus far - so your accusation is just false.
Its early game, who would be suspicous of anyone? You didnt go after the first timers because there is too little to go off of.... This looks so weird kickstart. Also, so now what do you think yamato is? Scum or Town?
LOLWUT?
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So CC, you start the game by thinking everyone is scum?
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I think Yamato's reaction to my suspicions of him was town. He saw it as me being unsure of his intentions and basically was able to discern exactly why I was suspicious, even though he didn't agree with me. Yamato reacted in a town way to my case, some other people went complete apeshit, and I will look into that.
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On December 05 2012 12:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I vote for a modkill on Axle for not adhering to The Standard English Syntax and Grammar Rules as imposed by my brain.
Please don't talk about this kind of thing in thread, even in jest. If you seriously have a problem with the play of another player, contact one of the hosts.
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On December 05 2012 11:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Pretty suspect of Arn right now because he sheeped that Kick wagon so hard with a bunch of WIFOM and wall of text. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 11:43 Kickstart wrote: And I am just going to ignore arnarion all together because he is being a dickhead and because his case is stupid. I doubt anyone who reads his case then looks over my actual post will agree with a word he said. I lol'd so hard. <3 Kickstart. Hey Rad, waddaya make of all this?
@CC
I thought your case was half good. I'm kinda curious about the flip on yamato (not sure if I believe his explanation or not), and the idea of thinking of everyone as town and searching for scum is sooo... I dunno, "dreamy"? Like, really? He does that? I agree with you in that I'm paranoid as fuck as town and everyone is scum to me (though I feel I'm getting a bit better at my reads TBH).
Claiming he's town - eh, everyone does that. Null.
On his Kickstart case - ehh, I took it as a pressure move, and I wanted to see more out of kickstart anyway so I thought it was a good move. I've seen debears throw out terrible cases (for example, against me in my first newbie) that got me to talk a lot.
I'll be honest, oats feels unreadable from a meta standpoint. I watched him last game, thought he was scum until people told me otherwise. Feels very similar this game. I have to decide what I think about that "slip" you caught cause it's the major non-meta point that just doesn't make sense to me.
Regarding everything else that's going on, need to read through arn's case, and can't wait for axle to make sense because I honestly believe he's newbie town that will probably have some mind blowing read if he can tell us in english.
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On December 05 2012 12:05 Oatsmaster wrote: So CC, you start the game by thinking everyone is scum?
No, I start by being suspicious of everyone. Because that's common sense. Trust no one. They're all lying scum.
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Yes Oats, all town players start the game being suspicious of everyone becase we don't know the alignment of people. It is interesting that you say otherwise. Are you not suspicious of anyone because you already know their role?
Scum.
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On December 05 2012 09:46 Rad wrote: @Sylencia
You seem seem to have a lot of insightful things to say, but are holding back. You do realize that you're not just here to solve everything on your own, you need to help us determine if you're town or not, and if you're town, you could help a lot by talking more. Maybe jump in and give some reads?
Sure thing, I wasn't planning on holding back for much longer, since I just wanted to get a few more posts in the thread before seeing if anything useful came from it. However, I'm going to have to make a longer post later since my lunch hour is about done and I only just managed to catch up with the thread.
For now, all I want to say is that I'm pretty sure Kickstart is with the town here. Firstly, he brings up good, valid points with his posts, there's justification behind what he says and he also has an attitude. This attitude that he is bringing into the game doesn't help him whatsoever, and really only promotes him to be voted. Why would you bring so much negative attention to yourself when you want others to feel like you should still hang around?
As I said before, more later but I am only going to be able to lurk around for the next 5 or so hours.
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Oats you are pulling a Yamato, I already responded to your "case" and explained why it was all bullshit", if you didn't read it or don't like what I said that is not my problem, but don't ask me the same question over and over again.
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I really dont know what your problem is kickstart/CC. We play mafia differently, fine. I am not saying my way is better, its just my way.
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Sylencia, I can't help but be angry when several players are going complete retard mode. That being said PLEASE POST MORE YOU MAKE MORE SENSE WITH THAT ONE POST THAT ALMOST ANYONE ELSE IN THE THREAD.
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Problem is, you were suspicious of everyone last game, like a townie should be.
This game it's suddenly different?
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@Oats
Our problem is you made an odd post that makes no sense from a town perspective. Town players are naturally suspicious of almost everyone, because we start out knowing nothing. The only people who start out with information and therefor are just inherently not suspicious of anyone are scum.
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Was I suspicous last game of EVERYBODY? I think you misunderstand me. I think that everyone is town at the start of the game. Oh look CC posted an iffy looking post, let me look through his filter. Ok town/scum read. Keep posting bla bla. Oh look yamato posted a totally bullshit case, let me think about why.
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EBWOP: Sorry, I thought this had posted this right after my case ##Vote: Kickstart
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If someone I regard as important states the need for me to put the xxxxx in explicitly I will, I should not have to as I am fairly sure you know. but if you do that you are making assurances about where that data goes.
I have used my skills and reads on people enough to form the conclusion that everything I found suspicious about anyone being scum, was misdirection.
The players on this forum who are good had serious precision in their language.
I am now going to turn to consider the game setup posts. Why those?
I think it time to re-evaluate, my position on the host.
His good intentions were evidenced by A nice chocolate, cake reminiscent of the one my xxxxxx posted about during newbie mafia XXXI which he said was truely delicious.
(actually i have never verified, he xxxxxx linked to prinzengenten torte he just told me he did, I never clicked on that if I recall correctly. ) ========== This bit is flat out paranoia. (hence optional) (Ahhh thats how the bloody lights may have gone on) There exist people that know that cake in the RL is tied to my family. either that or I am wrong, but it would explain lots of stuff. ==========
How the host of game acts and plans things is much more greatly constrained that any of the players in it.
You player guys can do any shit you want, then change your mind and say it was the plan to fool/enrage/frustrate X. The option are kind of large, and as claimed I have not played mafia. {I keep getting worried every time I say that. As I have played shitload of things in my life. I have certainly not played mafia in at least 10...20...? years). So if someone is sitting on some claim I have drop it on the table, pls? }
Indeed all that recent faff I regard as evidence you are worried I getting close to rumbling the plan
========== This bit is flat out paranoia. (hence optional) Although as mentioned I do think i discussed it very long time ago. I though it was in the 90's I have since realised it may have been as far back as the late 70's I think the person I discussed it with may have had a friend named cheetah. (no that is not a pun on cheater, it was just the guys name) ==========
The host of game however is bound by all sorts of mathematics to make a game mechanic that works.
It is bit tricky as they don't answer many questions in game, and usually only briefly. and I think I am probably just better of reading all the rule really carefully and commenting on those.
So if this, post is visible outside, you may really want to say no dont do that before I get back with my cup of coffee.
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Votecount:
AxleGreaser: (0)yamato77
Kickstart: (2) Oatsmaster, Arnarnion
Not voting: (7) AxleGreaser, Kickstart, jidolboy, Mr. Cheesecake, Sylencia, Rad, yamato77
You have ~20 hours remaining until lynch
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...What is this guy... I don't even...
wat?
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Just to put it out there.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I can't wait to see who these semi-lurkers vote for.
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