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On December 06 2012 18:47 Bluelightz wrote: Spur of recruitment because of me <3? Of course. 5 players returning from my first game in here, a year to the day. Lets see what we've learned. | ||
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Far and away my favourite game and I ate a bullet on the second night. | ||
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I don't know you, can you link me some of your games as scum on here. | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote: any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote: If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote: What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote: That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. Why are you so defensive? As previously stated, I am not accusing you, I am trying to figure out what your motive is for whatever stunt you're pulling. Your response to that is 'go read the post that says nothing'. Obviously you wanted to be the talking point today, so here we are, get talking. | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:50 debears wrote: So, let me get this straight. You aren't accusing him of being scum, yet you are aggressively questioning him? You say his posting is distinctly different from his town posting, yet you don't think he's scummy because of it? Yep, pretty much nail on the head. I'm not going to assume hes scum off of one stupid claim, I want to gauge his reaction to help me make up my mind about him. So far hes just being evasive. | ||
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On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote: @Djo The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum. His reaction is feeling very forced That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. | ||
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On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote: no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic) Adam, thoughts on debears? He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of. Ill be watching him closely today. | ||
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On December 10 2012 12:47 marvellosity wrote: as opposed to the people you won't be watching closely? ... your whole summarising comment leaves ambiguity for either dumb or scum, care to commit on which way you're actually leaning? Right now, leaning scum. I would like to know why he thinks I should of been voting for Thrawn from my exchange with him. | ||
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On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote: @Djo The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum. His reaction is feeling very forced You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears | ||
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On December 10 2012 13:59 debears wrote: It was one paragraph with 4 sentences on you. By no means a "case". Also, my "case"was a response to a question djo asked You on the other hand have these on thrawn You even use meta and say it's different from his town play. Yeah, you're full of it If that wasn't your case, then what is? I've already explained my reason for using that quote against thrawn, to get his reaction. I did similar in WLIIA mafia on BroodKingEXE. go read it. | ||
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Now, I'm going to sit down and watch Palmars video and give my thoughts. | ||
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On December 11 2012 10:14 debears wrote: Are you sure I am just misunderstanding what you are saying? Well, no. I thought that was implied with 'seem to be'. | ||
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On December 11 2012 10:25 debears wrote: Guys, I'm pretty sure Adam just claimed scum. Look at the difference in tone from the first two posts and the last one. He thinks I'm scum. Then, in the third, he claims I am "misunderstanding" his posting. He doesn't accuse me of twisting his words. He doesn't accuse me of being scum pushing a mislynch. He just says "misunderstanding", as if he thinks I'm townie. He explains his whole reasoning for his thrawn thing to someone that he thinks is scum. That's weird, cuz he has a vote on me. God, this just keeps getting stupider and stupider. Now you are twisting my words to fit your theory. I specifically replied, "no, i'm not sure that you are misunderstanding". | ||
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My initial read towards him was "leaning scum" when I questioned his 'case/not-case' that he made on me, but that was a long time ago. Since then he's put a lot of effort into his focus on me and while I know this is misguided, I also feel that it is coming from an honest place, hence why I am not screaming that he is intentionally taking all of my posts out of context, because I do not believe it to be the case. ##Unvote The person I am interested in right now is Vivax. On December 11 2012 02:59 Vivax wrote: That VE defends thrawn with another argument than thrawn himself used. What motivations would he have to defend him if he doesn't even grasp thrawns own point of view? He might aswell have not read his posts, not showing any interest in scumhunting with that trail available. I might also remind you that VE has been present since 9:44, but only posts as answer to jay at around 10:23. He's shown lack of interest in the matter from start. My conclusion?Maybe scummy, maybe sloppy. You want me to go further than this?We've got enough time to vote. If I had to do it now it would be thrawn. Fakeclaiming as joke is a pretty shitty move. This post here, you say that VE shows no interest in scumhunting, is actively lurking the thread and yet conclude "maybe scum, maybe sloppy". This is very wishy-washy and ultimately amounts to nothing. What was the point of pointing this out if you were not going to draw any conclusions from it either way? You accuse VE of scummy actions yet in the same post say that you would vote thrawn over it for his 'joke' claim. To me, this looks like acting like you're trying to scum hunt without actually doing anything. Then not long after you produce: On December 11 2012 03:42 Vivax wrote: After thinking about thrawns actions more thoroughly, there's another aspect that I think noone mentioned so far: If he was a scum fakeclaiming, believing that millers are self-aware, he would take the risk of facing a counterclaim. As others mentioned, he's drawn attention with that. But identifying scum with stereotypes isn't exactly the way. Why wouldn't scum be able to draw attention and get away with it? He would have made following mistakes: 1. Overlooked the rule about self-awareness. Obvious. 2. Forgotten to consider another miller, under the premise that he really made mistake 1. I don't believe it was a joke though, rather some sort of strategy. Maybe he would have brought these points up by himself at some point, betting on town not believing that he would do such mistakes. This post looks to be saying that thrawn has some agenda or strategy by fakeclaiming miller and that you no longer believe it was a joke. Ok, if he's playing with some form of strategy, do you believe it to be a scum one, you do not comment on his alignment either way with this post. It is mostly just a rehashing of what Clarity posted. On December 11 2012 05:38 Vivax wrote: So I've been scratching my balls while reading the thread for the last 20 minutes, and when I saw jaybrundages posts, they started to hurt. ##Vote jaybrundage So you are okay with this post? To me it looks like you didn't study the matter enough. This explanation sucks hard. He's basically leaving the defense of himself to everybody else. He never said explicitly that he joked, he only said explicitly that he had intentions, fuck knows which. That being said, I suggest you go back and read the stuff before you make the same mistake I made with clarity. Then a vote on Jaybrundage comes seemingly out of nowhere once interest in him picks up in the thread. What happened to Thrawn? or VE? The reasoning for this vote does not appear until after someone presses you for it and the reasoning you provide is just a summary of his actions, and it does not illustrate why Jaybrundage is scum. Furthermore, for someone that said here that you just couldnt let thrawns claim go, you dropped it exceedingly quickly to pursue Jaybrundage. I find your lack of follow-up on VE or Thrawn shows you had no intent on trying to find out their alignment. | ||
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On December 11 2012 19:12 Palmar wrote: I don't understand what that "scumslip" is either. I think I explained in the video why I don't like Adam's first post: Basically, it's a legit question, but it's very easy to just click on someone's profile, go to posts and find recent games. Maybe Adam's just being lazy, but this post reeks of him trying to convey to the thread that he's going to be actively looking at people. Again, I'm working on the assumption Adam isn't dumb. It's pretty clear what thrawn is doing, and trying to wonder about it is dumb and pointless. Adam is lingering way too much on a silly stunt pulled by a random person, and asking all the wrong questions. Again, he's coming on with this idea that thrawn's actions require extensive analysis, it's very clear (to me at least) what thrawn is doing, and either it means he's scum and fucked up, or he's town and has a terrible plan-idea-thing. I concluded the latter to be the case, but adam seems really confused by something so elementary. Not putting shit in the voting thread is not scummy at all, and hardly worth talking about. I don't know why Adam keeps obsessing about irrelevant things this game. Also "I'll be watching him closely today." made me laugh. It's just how he's saying it that gets my lynchfinger all twitchy. --- In addition to this Adam calls debears out for not voting him, which is yet another thing I find fairly irrelevant, the action of voting adds or relieves no pressure at all in this game, it's the mind behind it that does. Everything Adam has done and said this game feels careful, calculated and often irrelevant and inconclusive. He should be the lynch for today. I've already defended mostly this same case from dabears, so I'm not going to go over it all again. How is playing carefully and calculated alignment indicative at all? You may have found my line of questioning irrelevant, but I didn't, hence why I did it. Vivax, can you expand on your thoughts on VE and Thrawn and why did you drop pursuit of them so suddenly? | ||
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On December 11 2012 23:04 Vivax wrote: @ Adam That's cause I didn't read the thread properly and thus made shit accusations. I thought you'd be a little more up to date. Or are you just publicly trying to find reasons to drop your vote from me? I have no vote on you? And that was way more of an honest admission than I was expecting. | ||
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Your response was interesting to me, because while you openly admit to not reading the thread and making shit accusations, I honestly wouldn't ever expect that level of honesty from a scum. | ||
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On December 12 2012 00:05 Vivax wrote: While Tunkeg's halfassedness is detrimental to town, I start doubting if scum would do it in such an obvious way. In lack of better options, I still consider him to be a valid lynch candidate along with jay (Who I've read from bugs post has a tendency to get mislynched). While I think debears case against Adam is bad, I don't like his entrance right now. It doesn't look like he's been properly scumhunting lately, just some more half assed questions and statements. Thanks for saying you lean town on me though. ADAM, who are you gonna vote for if you had to? Right now, I think Tunkeg has a solid chance of flipping scum. His reaction to WBG's case was overly defensive and he's contributed very little. Ill take a closer look in the morning. Its 2am, I am going to bed. | ||
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Obvious town to me: Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax. Jaybrundage Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum. Bluelightz Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum. WBG He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum. Tunkeg Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment. VisceraEyes VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions. Djodref Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref. Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort. ##Vote Jaybrundage | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote: he's not pushing to keep himself alive at all I gave you my reads, I could have just as easily peaced out of the thread and let this day be a waste after I flip town. I think the cases against me are pretty bad, I think some people on this wagon just sheeped on to please palmar. jaybrundage is only voting me to save his hide, hes scummy as hell. I could have slapped my vote on Tunkeg, who's the next highest votes behind me, but I honestly don't think he has a good as chance to flip scum as jaybrundage at this point, hence why i'm not voting him. | ||
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I am a Vigilante. Give me a chance to prove i'm town tonight. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Adam where's your crumb? ##Vote Adam4167 I don't crumb, I haven't ever and I don't see the point. People of either alignment can crumb anything. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Even with a crumb I don't buy it, actually. The timing is scummy as shit. Why would I crumb? Its only just the end of day 1 now. I don't need to crumb anything, the proof would be in the daypost. | ||
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End of Day 5 + Show Spoiler + WoooOOOOOOooOOOOoo I am the ghost of scummy past, standing in for your host and co-hosts because they're on a spiritual journey ![[image loading]](http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/5/db390655-cef6-44fc-a5a9-16c5fbf359c4.Full.jpg ) Fire!!! Fire!!! TAAAA DUUUUU TAAAA DUUUUU A firebrigade airship came shooting through the sky, hovered above the "Ironia Dramatica" and dumped about 10,000 liters of water straight onto the deck. While putting out the fire, this also smashed some really big holes in the hull and destroyed the propellors. By a sheer miracle, everybody on board was saved and grabbed onto a life rope from the fireship. Unfortunately 5 people were too heavy to pull aboard, even for mighty firemen. It was put to a vote, the result of which was Hapahauli dropping to his death. Hapahauli was lynched! The game has ended. Stand by for HiroPro's endgame post. He promised to be back sometime tonight! Otherwise blame Acro for the lack of resolution. | ||
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Really well played guys, things looked pretty crappy pretty early but you guys pulled it off. I'm especially impressed with Z-BosoN, your scum play looked so much better this game than in Chrono. | ||
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On December 24 2012 10:15 marvellosity wrote: debears, I *was* the first couple of voters  Yeah, I remember thinking, jesus christ, marv better get on my lynch damn quick because i'm flailing like a mad man here and crashing epicly. Not much later "IVE CHANGED MY MIND, GUY WITH NUMBERS IN HIS NAME IS CLEARLY SCUM BECAUSE.... SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE SAID WAS MARGINALLY CONVINCING *whack* there's my vote." That vig claim was awful, I know, but your reaction clarity was like holding up a giant sign saying "THIS GUY JUST CLAIMED MY ROLE". | ||
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