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On December 13 2012 20:28 Palmar wrote:
I'm just going to work backwards. List the people I don't want to lynch and why, then try to get a lynch into the remaining players.
Players I don't think we should consider lynching
Palmar: because I'm towny as fuck
Clarity: he was active, critical and clearly reading the thread on day 1. He shot bugs, which seems like an unlikely mafia shot. I think he gets a pass for a while
Marv: second guy on the Adam wagon, even if I'd like him to actually do something more, I don't think we can afford to lynch him just yet. Not to mention Bugs also had a town read on him.
thrawn: his day 1 actions just don't make sense if he's scum. I need to look better into what he did later.
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This leaves Tunkeg, Z-Bos, Hap, Vivax, VE, Djdrof, BL, grush and Jay
This is where it gets kinda shady, there's probably at least 2, if not 3 mafia in this group.
Bugs was pretty adamant that Jay is town. As I explained in my day 1 reads, while I thought at the time he was more scummy than Tunk, I still didn't think Jay was actually scum, even if clarity's case had some points in it.
Bugs called Jay "the easiest mislynch in history of TL Mafia". I think I'm willing to take Jay from the pool of potential candidates.
That leaves 8.
I'm not quite sure whom to eliminate next from the race. I'm thinking maybe one of Hapa, grush or Z-bos. But I cannot know which one, or if I even want to take one of them out.
Please, comment on this approach and help me figure things out.
I wouldn't take Hapa out, mostly because of how Munk-E behaved and the respect I have for his play in general (day 1 hilarity in Mario not withstanding)
I think Vivax is on the townside for his funny timings diagram, plus he's all over the place, confrontational, and it's hard to even guess at scum agenda in his posts.
Z-Bo and grush I'm somewhat town on, although I don't particularly want to explain in grush's case
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One other thing before I forget.
Hapa? I think was speculating on night actions. We get hit notifications in this game, and I didn't get one. So I was jailed but not hit.
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On December 13 2012 18:04 VisceraEyes wrote:I was not roleblocked and took no hits. Bugs flipping town is obviously a shock, but the good news is that we weren't left with nothing overnight. Remember when Adam claimed Vigilante? Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright I was hoping that I could talk my way out of this lynch without having to claim, but apparently that does not seem to be possible.
I am a Vigilante.
Give me a chance to prove i'm town tonight. Pssssttt....there's emphasis in there. "...tonight." Adam's claim heavily implies the existence of a Scum Vigilante.That being said. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 13:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 13 2012 13:25 jaybrundage wrote:
Also Clarity why aren't you still going for me as your main scum read.
What changed your mind. Do you still think im scum?
So for spamming thread btw guys : / You might be. I'm more convinced on a scum BL though, bugs having a townread on you also makes me hesitate. Don't be ridiculous btw, I'm not scum and there's like a 1000 reasons why. I shot the guy who was probably going to get lynched tomorrow and who I agreed with looked like scum. This post is extremely suspicious to me for a couple of reasons. 1) That's possibly the most atrocious justification for shooting someone ever. If he was probably going to be lynched tomorrow, then WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD YOU SHOOT HIM? It doesn't make any sense, because if most everyone can agree that he looks scummy then we can lynch him. It just doesn't make sense from a townie perspective. From a scum perspective however, it removes Bugs' ability to defend himself and possibly avoid getting lynched. 2) The second part of the statement reads like scum trying to fit in. "...and who I agreed with looked like scum". If you're town, the assumption is that if you shoot someone, it's because you think they look like scum. It feels like over-justifying his shot. ##Vote: Clarity_nlThe fact that there has been no counterclaim holds no relevance - if we have a town vig who didn't shoot, there'd be no incentive to claim because it's not a guaranteed trade as there could also be more than one town vig - and the implication of Adam's claim coupled with Clarity's A) shitty target and B) suspicious justification is more than enough to lynch Clarity today. I think he's scum. I wish Bugs had told us who he jailed. Any crumb-hunters out there wanna take a stroll through his filter?
What drugs are you on??
If you take out the possible existence of a mafia vigi, Clarity's shot was clearly town - he shot the primary scumread of the thread. In addition, Clarity is prone to sheeping strong players in some situations, notably me - he sheeped my Z-Bo case in Mario, he sheeped my syllo vote in Chrono. The fact that a mafia vigi is now possible doesn't suddenly make him scum, Hapa said well enough that it didn't make sense.
To the bold, given I'm the only one who's claimed roleblock (I think?) it's fairly obvious. Otherwise this would fit the bill:
On December 13 2012 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
if I actually got shot then I <3 marv.
Just sayingas
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seriously VE, everything you've said/done since the lynch is completely irrational, I don't understand what you're doing at all.
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Palmar needs to start reading the thread properly
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how about we don't decide on alignments based on your ego?
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On December 13 2012 22:57 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote:
Also I just really want Tunkeg to be town so I can at least claim bugs was wrong on day 1 as an excuse for me wanting to lynch him when he was town. It just looks a whole lot better if I didn't get bugs killed for trying to lynch some other scum than the one I wanted to lynch.
I want to be able to pull off "Well if you wanted me to think you're town, maybe you shouldn't have tried to lynch townies to save scum". Don't worry, I am town. You can have a go at WBG post-game all you want, he played like utter shit this game. Also there got to be a scum in either Jaybrundage or Bluelightz (or both). I don't think adam would post his "reads" without least including some of his scumbuddies as scum.
Why not?
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On December 14 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 22:32 marvellosity wrote:On December 13 2012 18:04 VisceraEyes wrote:I was not roleblocked and took no hits. Bugs flipping town is obviously a shock, but the good news is that we weren't left with nothing overnight. Remember when Adam claimed Vigilante? On December 12 2012 09:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright I was hoping that I could talk my way out of this lynch without having to claim, but apparently that does not seem to be possible.
I am a Vigilante.
Give me a chance to prove i'm town tonight. Pssssttt....there's emphasis in there. "...tonight." Adam's claim heavily implies the existence of a Scum Vigilante.That being said. On December 13 2012 13:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 13 2012 13:25 jaybrundage wrote:
Also Clarity why aren't you still going for me as your main scum read.
What changed your mind. Do you still think im scum?
So for spamming thread btw guys : / You might be. I'm more convinced on a scum BL though, bugs having a townread on you also makes me hesitate. Don't be ridiculous btw, I'm not scum and there's like a 1000 reasons why. I shot the guy who was probably going to get lynched tomorrow and who I agreed with looked like scum. This post is extremely suspicious to me for a couple of reasons. 1) That's possibly the most atrocious justification for shooting someone ever. If he was probably going to be lynched tomorrow, then WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD YOU SHOOT HIM? It doesn't make any sense, because if most everyone can agree that he looks scummy then we can lynch him. It just doesn't make sense from a townie perspective. From a scum perspective however, it removes Bugs' ability to defend himself and possibly avoid getting lynched. 2) The second part of the statement reads like scum trying to fit in. "...and who I agreed with looked like scum". If you're town, the assumption is that if you shoot someone, it's because you think they look like scum. It feels like over-justifying his shot. ##Vote: Clarity_nlThe fact that there has been no counterclaim holds no relevance - if we have a town vig who didn't shoot, there'd be no incentive to claim because it's not a guaranteed trade as there could also be more than one town vig - and the implication of Adam's claim coupled with Clarity's A) shitty target and B) suspicious justification is more than enough to lynch Clarity today. I think he's scum. I wish Bugs had told us who he jailed. Any crumb-hunters out there wanna take a stroll through his filter? What drugs are you on?? If you take out the possible existence of a mafia vigi, Clarity's shot was clearly town - he shot the primary scumread of the thread. In addition, Clarity is prone to sheeping strong players in some situations, notably me - he sheeped my Z-Bo case in Mario, he sheeped my syllo vote in Chrono. The fact that a mafia vigi is now possible doesn't suddenly make him scum, Hapa said well enough that it didn't make sense. To the bold, given I'm the only one who's claimed roleblock (I think?) it's fairly obvious. Otherwise this would fit the bill: On December 13 2012 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
if I actually got shot then I <3 marv.
Just sayingas JUST WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT?! ADAM CLAIMED VIGI DID YOU NOT FUCKING READ MARV?! WHY WOULD I DISCOUNT THE POSSIBLE EXISTENCE OF A MAFIA VIGI?! ADAM'S FUCKING CLAIM DIRECTLY...[big DIRECTLY IMPLIES THE EXISTENCE OF A MAFIA VIGI IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW! Think about it, why would Adam claim Vigi? Why wouldn't he claim like...Jailkeeper? Why not claim VT? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE for Adam to claim Vigi AND THEN SAY HE CAN PROVE IT when he's a Goon unless the scum team HAS a Vigilante! Fuck marv, I expected this kind bullheadedness from Palmar, but et tu?!!? ET TU MARV?!?! [/big]
who gives a flying shit if mafia have a vigilante?
what part of someone i consider pretty townie anyway shooting at someone that Palmar and I were pushing at during the night is scummy? The townie explanation requires fewer assumptions, is more intuitive, and lines up with my read on Clarity anyway
I have no idea what the fuck you're thinking but you need to get a grip. I can understand jay being an idiot but really you should know better. Although I find myself saying that a lot apparently.
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On December 14 2012 06:43 jaybrundage wrote:Hey guys Best Mislynch NA here. (Is it something to brag about? Nope. Do I give a fuck? Nope.) Hear me out. What if Clarity is scum. And Palmar is scum as well. Palmar followed up on his Adam read. Cause it made sense as he had posted the video and he would get town cred and try to get away with some mislynches afterwards if he could. Notice how he puts off making decisions today. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 10:37 Palmar wrote:
Seeing as I was wrong on Bugs I might just let someone else take the reins for now. I'm gonna check out this bluelightz case.
I recall writing something about him earlier, that he was getting away with something. And here after stating that bugs was scum a bajillion times cause hes so confident. When bugs is finally admitting to being scum. Palmar responds with stop trolling cause as scum he would know that bugs is town. Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 09:34 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 13 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:28 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok palmer, was that wbg stuff for real? he's scum, lynch him Palmar 2 good how did you know I was scum Palmar? I'm curious, cause no one has ever caught me like that before. Your play and personailty this game is vastly different this game really? how so? I'm really curious to know this, so I can improve my scum play for the future. Stop trolling me. Just something to think about guys. But regardless I think we should lynch Clarity today. Why some of you have such a great town read on him. For doing shit is surprising. Yes he has been logical. Yes he has pushed cases. But why cant good scum do that. You are acting like hes confirmed town for no reason. He was not part of the adam lynch. In fact he tried to derail it. *Sigh* Ok reading more up on it. Debears thought it was scummy that Clarity changed his vote to adam. When adam claimed Vig. However if Clarity was really a town vig he would have more reason to vote for adam. Because he knew that he was Vig already. However if Clarity is actually just a mafia Vig he could just shoot and claim it. Because he saw the threads direction. People can see WBG is an easy mislynch. But he is a very out spoken person. His lynch would of gave alot of great conversations. Im trying ot think outside of the box here. People give towncred so easily this game. Putting townie as virtually confirmed when its bullshit. Some stuff to think about. Will we lynch Palmar or Clarity today prolly not. As my case isn't as strong as I like. Yes is it a bit odd that I am giving a case and then saying its not strong sure ill be honest But these are my thoughts as convoluted, and twisted as they are. Regardless I want thoughts. Even if you think im crazy :3
none of this is even a case, it's a bunch of what ifs and wifom.
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On December 14 2012 05:39 grush57 wrote:
So much scummy play this game I'm not even considered a lynch.
No one is paying attention to me :'(.
:'(
:'(
Star...senses....faaaaaaaaadiiiiiiiiing
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
COME BACK BABY
I <3 YOU
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Wait?
What is this?
Logic?
What?
Proper intelligence?
What?
100 IQ?
WHAT
ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie.
I don't know about Tunkeg he could either be bad town or scum.
Clarity is town.
Djordef never mentioned scumbuddy Adam and DIRECTLY tried to counterlynch bandwagon. That play is so bad as scum that is the only thing saving him. I am up for lynching him.
I'm also for lynching Bluelightz because his play is extremely bad/scummy. Plus the fact that out of all the vets, I find him by far the most scummy and mafia usually has atleast 1 vet.
... I agree with most, if not almost all of this (barring how strongly I feel about BL)
... my world is collapsing around me...
Looking into Djo, Tunkeg, BL tonight before I sleep. Stay tuned!
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I don't know yet. If I don't have a pretty good idea with good reasons in a few hours, feel free to policy lynch me 
The 3 names there are the 3 I think are likeliest to flip scum at this stage.
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What it comes down to with Tunkeg is whether I (or anyone else reading his filter) believes his two main reads posts are properly genuine, and whether it makes up for the drivel in between
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what is it in there that you find so townie? the incessant tunnelling of a townie? (yes i know he wasn't the only one). Directing blues? what is it?
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So then.
About Bluelightz. I looked at his filter and... kinda found what I thought I'd find in his filter, which is a whole lot of nothing. I can't even give any particular reasons he might be town. The strongest reason would be his vote on Adam, but I can't feel that strongly about it. At the time Bluelightz voted, jay had 3 votes, Tunkeg had 4, and Adam had 3. It's possible either way that he put his vote on Adam and hoped he'd pull it together and not get lynched later. Even so, he voted scum and that should be at least a bit of a townie point in his books.
There's a couple of things I don't like. Firstly his attitude on bugs - he was down to kill him... if that was the consensus. There was no reason of his own until pressed, and the reason given then was the percentage thing, which was really weak. That feels like going along with it and not bothering to give a reason because potentially as scum he didn't have a reason to give, knowing bugs was town. Again though, I could see town BL doing this :/
The thing I dislike most, which I probably shouldn't but I hate it, is:
On December 13 2012 20:51 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 13 2012 20:10 Bluelightz wrote:On December 13 2012 19:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 13 2012 19:48 Bluelightz wrote:On December 13 2012 19:39 Clarity_nl wrote:One more thing about this post, actually: On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out stuff in the game:
Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right" Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking. Why would you ask that good sir? Do you think I'm scum? No So why are you discrediting me as a player, rather than my case on you. Why does my "effort" matter to you. Why have you acted this way to me ever since I made my case on you, yet you think I'm town. Better yet, why don't you have a scumread on anyone? Because I haven't had the time? I think your town but how you push me is troubling. Discrediting your case is kinda a no-no since I responded and you haven't responded back.
BL hasn't played a game in ages, seemed pleased to be back, but now he just doesn't have the time to even get a scumread? arghkfgjkdlfjlskjfdlkfsdkljfkldjfkj. Bleh, whatever. He's scummy but he's also BL and if I had to go for an alignment, uh... I'd guess town maybe? It just seems like he's not pushing an agenda... I still have not-so-fond memories of NMM2 where Bluelightz as scum made a good-looking case on some lynchbait during Day 1 when (scum) prplhz was receiving heavy heat for both his play and his blueclaim. There was an agenda there, he was deflecting suspicion; here he voted for the scum.
Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too.
His vote on thrawn
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so I'm writing my post and instead of previewing i pressed post.
more to come 
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On December 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:
Annnnyway, Now that I expressed my random thoughts on Clarity and Palmar.
Anyone still down for a Djodref lynch?
##Unvote
##Vote Djodref definitely but i'm undecided between him and boson
quick interlude. are you actually going to make any sort of case on either of them? you just keep mentioning them but not saying anything else, it's getting kinda boring.
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On December 14 2012 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:@ MarvShow nested quote +Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too. I know you haven't finished your stuff on Djo, but this comment I think is pretty telling of his play. Players like this often are just attention whoring townies rather than scum.
I think you're just making that heuristic up ;p
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Anyway, picking up where I left off ^^
Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too.
His vote on thrawn was bad and was kinda along the lines of falling into what Adam did. He questioned him repeatedly, and even when it should have been clear that thrawn was probably town, he still ended up chucking a vote on him. Tied into this is that he concentrated on wbg's random 80% number way more than seemed necessary.
Generally Djo's whole handling of the Day 1 stuff with adam doesn't look good.
On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam.
I mean, that's just an example, but similar stuff pops up enough.
Djo also concentrates on wifom stuff quite a bit. Like when he was talking about Munk-E posting his stuff on bugs, or when discussing the night kills with regards to BL. That's reminiscent of his scumplay.
I don't see his lynchtime shenannies as particularly townie either. They're just what they are, there's no reason scum or town can't make them.
Repeatedly he makes passive-aggressive threats to Z-Bo about finding him scummy. Both Palmar and I picked up on this at different times in the thread. It's a really insidious way to try to get someone to stop attacking you. Actually I find this scummier than his actions around Adam during Day 1.
Anyways, there's a few things that give me pause. Although I know he's capable of it as scum, Djo seems pretty invested. His analysis of the bugs night 1 stuff seems to come from a townie mindset. Also posts like this:
On December 13 2012 18:47 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 18:43 Palmar wrote:
oh right, I thought you meant he was trolling me about misusing the words, which I never do.
I want to add this thought about Tunkeg's martyr post. Remember that if we assume he is scum, he knows bugs and I are both town, so what are the implications if I fail to stop the wagon that at the time was on him and swing it over to Adam? If he's scum he leaves a lot of things to be considered if he flips, and "opinions" on two loud town players between Bugs and I.
My initial thoughts were that if he is scum, he wouldn't dare leave such strong opinions on us, especially as I had already voiced my suspicions of Bugs, and scum calling him scum then flipping scum would probably make me rethink the issue.
I still feel the most reasonable explanation is that Tunkeg isn't scum.
This is not true at all. Adam flipped scum and his list post was saying that WBG was scum. It didn't change your opinion at all. Adam and Tunkeg lists look almost the same, it's just lists fitting the general consensus. What's up with your double standards ?
He's willing to carry on attacking Palmar even when plenty of the thread is suspicious of him. Kinda puts himself out there.
So anyways, Djo is pretty suspicious to me for several reasons, but just recently he's come across with a few more townie things. At any rate, I'm not interested in lynching him today, because I think Tunkeg has a far higher chance of flipping scum.
Basically overall I agree with Hapa's assessment that Tunkeg hasn't done anything to make me think he's town. Or at least his small glimpses aren't enough to overturn the rest of his play.
His Day 1 contained no scumhunting until he was finally forced to do something to save his ass. Spoilered for length:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote:
I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general.
It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote AdamPS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy.
It's useful to look at this with the hindsight of a couple of flips. He's forced to call Adam scum else he'll look even worse on Adam's flip. He goes after wbg hard, and calls him later 100% scum, with somehow total certainty, and we know how that turned out. Apart from that we have a scumread on jay for being... "fluffy". Alright. At the time I got the feeling Tunkeg might be town because of the martyring feel of the post, but frankly I'm not really sure why I thought that at all :/
On December 12 2012 18:03 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:47 Hapahauli wrote:On December 12 2012 17:45 Tunkeg wrote:On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote:
So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here. It is that I am finding your meta-read on me strange, and wanting to let the thread know. Also you elaborating on it is somewhat informative... Ok strange yes, but it's a bit funny given that I've never been attacked for putting too much effort into a read. Kinda funny really. But calling my read strange is one thing, but you're seemingly flying off the wall and taking it personally. I am not attacking you for putting to much effort in. In fact what I question is the effort you have put into this. I find it strange that you can have read enough of me to have a meta-read on me at this point.
What's the town motive for this attack? It's just spreading suspicion around for... effort? Insidious.
He calls multiple people dumb, but basically can't explain it when pushed on it. Town motivation... what? Scum motivation, demoralisation, ez pz.
His obsession with nightkills and jailkeeping and stacking and all such things betrays a scummy mindset too. In Liquid City, ShiaoPi made some such post and I instantly admonished him in scumQT because scum love to talk about that shit, and indeed BH pulled Shiao up on it shortly thereafter. Typical make-myself-look-good by calling actions by telling them to do obvious things.
Tunkeg is easily the scummiest guy in the thread right now and we should kill what's in front of us. Palmar I think is totally blinded by his ego and his will to be proved right about bugs, which is just a dumb way to play and it's clouding his judgement.
##Vote: Tunkeg
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On December 14 2012 12:17 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:On December 14 2012 11:45 Djodref wrote:
I also think that Hapa could be buddying me because He spends more tiㄷ defending me than fi.ding scum.
But I still thi.k that my previous point for a town munke is valid.
Hapa, I appreciaye your read on me but I would like you to find scum.
Honestly I think that BL ahas the least cjances to flip scum among Bl Tu.keg and Ve.
Would you like to lynch VE today ? I"ve made my reads really really clear. VE's giving me more of a dumb town vibe than malicious scum. I want to lynch Bluelightz, but Tunkeg is rapidly climbing my list and is a clear #2. VE going after Clarity reminds me of me going after BH in Mario. Plus his case boils down to few posts only and speculation. On top of that, I don't think that VE could be that misguided.
lol you don't know VE at all
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