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Disclaimer: Important Read Post
WBG beautiful bluff
So, there is something important that some of you may have missed. Just before being shot, WBG did this:
On December 13 2012 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'M SCUM OK YOU GOT ME
and then
On December 13 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 13 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:28 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok palmer, was that wbg stuff for real? he's scum, lynch him Palmar 2 good how did you know I was scum Palmar? I'm curious, cause no one has ever caught me like that before. Your play and personailty this game is vastly different this game really? how so? I'm really curious to know this, so I can improve my scum play for the future.
At this point, only the mafia team could have known that he was lying about his alignment.
When I read this, I thought, "ok, bugs was really scum, Palmar imb4, gg mafia, time to concede noaw". So I think we can get very valuable information from the reactions of the people present in the thread to WBG's last move.
Town players were going to react like me, I mean that they are going to fully believe Bugs.
Mafia players were going to feel awkward in front of this fakeclaim, and maybe avoiding participating at this point.
Marv
For example, marv is certainly town, due to this post, which I cannot see as anything but genuine.
On December 13 2012 09:34 marvellosity wrote:
eh, save it for the post-game.
This is the reaction to expect from town marv.
@ VE
What do you make of this one ?
Vivax
Vivax reactions look also quite townie. I think I was wrong about him. He looks to have a carefree town style.
Please check all page 65 to see Vivax's reaction as he gets uber-sniped and the his WBG's eulogy.
On December 13 2012 09:41 Vivax wrote:
But actually, I can see a scum Bugs fit in there too.
On December 13 2012 10:00 Vivax wrote:
I'll rather remind myself to swear less in future posts, it's even getting boring for myself. Sorry for that, I think it's addictive to post so many insults on TL and get away with it :> .
Anyway, Bugs' initial play looked so damn townie to me I didn't even bother reading on. You looked pretty pro-town there, I'll give you a props for that.
Palmar?
I'm not so sure what to think about Palmar's reactions.
I like this one
On December 13 2012 09:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 13 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 13 2012 09:28 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok palmer, was that wbg stuff for real? he's scum, lynch him Palmar 2 good how did you know I was scum Palmar? I'm curious, cause no one has ever caught me like that before. Your play and personailty this game is vastly different this game really? how so? I'm really curious to know this, so I can improve my scum play for the future. Stop trolling me.
Because he is anwering to a post that even wasn't addressed to him at the first place.
But this one a just pure back tracking.
On December 13 2012 09:47 Palmar wrote:
This doesn't prove you're scum, just means there's a good reason you need to die.
But, still, I don't see scum Palmar posting this, if he knew that WBG were going to flip town. But still, posting this after flooding us with "Bugs is scum" posts is quite bad. I don't know what to think of this post.
Another thing speaking for a town Palmar is this post
On December 13 2012 10:47 Palmar wrote:
It's also very legitimate that Bugs jailed Marv, seeing as he had basically decided very early marv was town.
Marv gets some relief because of how early he joined the Adam wagon, but I'm not completely sure on him. But it makes very little sense to go for him now.
Dabears is also pretty clear.
I don't think that scum Palmar would have forgot who was NKed. So, all in all, still leaning town on Palmar but I don't think he took this game very seriously until now...
@ Palmar
Could you start to play this game more seriously ? Like reading the thread for real and stuff ?
By the way, I'm town, so I recommend you to reassess your reads because you are going to look bad if you keep lynching townies.
Clarity
All in all, I have a strong town read on Clarity. I don't see any reason to doubt his claim because it would have been stupid for the mafia to kill a potential mislynch. His reactions before and after the flip look really genuine as well. Anyway, I already had a town read on Clarity before all this so, yeah, Clarity is Vig.
@ jay
Don't be stupid, don't waste your time and ours, don't write this Clarity's case and come back to your senses.
Thoughts anyone ?
Do you think it is far-fetched ? I think it's quite reasonable...
@ Hapahauli
Why didn't you comment on WBG's confession just before the flip ?
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On December 13 2012 17:37 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Djo
What happened to your Vivax case?
@ Hapahauli
I don't think Vivax is scum anymore. I don't feel him as scum when I read his filter because he looks really carefree.
Also I like his reactions wrt WBG's fake confession.
I'm dropping my case against him. I didn't have anything except the association case with Adam and it's true that he was defending him quite hard for being his scum partner.
The rest doesn't indicate a scum Vivax. So, yeah, I've just changed my read on him...
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On December 13 2012 17:52 Hapahauli wrote:Also Djo, can you explain your thought process behind this? Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:06 Djodref wrote:
Anyone up for a counter bandwagon on jay ?
##Unvote
##Vote Jay Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower !
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##Vote Tunkeg Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote:
And, seriously guys, you still prefer to lynch Adam to jay after Adam's latest post ?
Counter wagon ! GO GO GO !
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##Vote jay
@ Hapa
At first, I would like to say that I believed that the deadline was at 9am KST. I didn't feel sure about Adam being scum and I liked better (far better) a Jay's lynch (or a Tunkeg lynch). So I've tried to start a counter bandwagon without any success.
I didn't work and I had to go to take a shower before going to work. The majority was reached but I was still hoping for a jay or a Tunkeg lynch. Tunkeg could have happened so I put back my vote on Tunkeg.
After my shower, I've realized that the deadline was at 10am KST.
On December 12 2012 09:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 08:57 debears wrote:On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower !
##Unvote
##Vote Tunkeg Djo you really don't want to lynch Adam huh? It's not that, I just really don't think he is our best lynch today. I thought the deadline was at 9am Korea also. I've got to go to work now. I hope you guys are right about Adam...
So I thought I was still having some time to start a counter bandwagon on jay. After that, I really had to go to work. I was checking the thread from my phone while driving and I've seen Adam's claim and Munk-E coming back. You can see an attempt to vote Munk-E in the voting thread 
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On December 13 2012 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's a real claim. I think Clarity is a Scum Vigilante.
@ VE
What do you think about Clarity antecedents ?
For me, his filter looks town, regardless of this claim. Plus the mafia do no shoot potential mislynches.
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On December 13 2012 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I missed that in the hullabaloo.
1) That means nothing because this is a semi-closed setup. There could be more than one town vigi, so the counterclaim thing is not relevant. There's little risk in a scum Vigi claiming a shot he ACTUALLY took because we have no way of knowing if they're scum or town.
2) Why would Mafia vigi one of the stronger town players? So he can't defend himself and avoid the lynch? Maybe turn it around on one of them? Scum removing a vet from the game in a NON LYNCH situation is actually extremely strong.
@ VE
Your vote on Clarity is going to be acceptable for me only is you present a super strong case against him, independently of him claiming. If you can show me than Clarity was scum before that, maybe I'm going to believe that you are not faking being stupid.
I'll fight against a Clarity lynch today.
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On December 13 2012 18:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) I don't know if it's likely, I'm saying it's possible and therefor terrible play for any vig to counterclaim. It's not about Clarity "gambling" on there being two vigs, it's about the scumteam "knowing" that it's possible and relying on that to keep a vig from counterclaiming.
2) The fact that it was Bugs makes the alternative not likely. I think it's much more likely that scum Clarity shot strong townie Bugs at an opportune time for scum to make a play like that than a town Clarity shooting a veteran scumhunter without giving him a chance to defend himself and find us scum. And regardless of whether you believe Clarity is scum or town, that makes the scum KP debears yes? You're telling me that you believe that scum shot at debears and ONLY debears?
@ VE
Stop speculating, show us that Clarity is scum outside this claim.
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On December 13 2012 18:43 Palmar wrote:
oh right, I thought you meant he was trolling me about misusing the words, which I never do.
I want to add this thought about Tunkeg's martyr post. Remember that if we assume he is scum, he knows bugs and I are both town, so what are the implications if I fail to stop the wagon that at the time was on him and swing it over to Adam? If he's scum he leaves a lot of things to be considered if he flips, and "opinions" on two loud town players between Bugs and I.
My initial thoughts were that if he is scum, he wouldn't dare leave such strong opinions on us, especially as I had already voiced my suspicions of Bugs, and scum calling him scum then flipping scum would probably make me rethink the issue.
I still feel the most reasonable explanation is that Tunkeg isn't scum.
This is not true at all.
Adam flipped scum and his list post was saying that WBG was scum. It didn't change your opinion at all.
Adam and Tunkeg lists look almost the same, it's just lists fitting the general consensus.
What's up with your double standards ?
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@ Bluelightz
Do you even have a scumread right now ?
You are going to be lynched if you keep on playing the way you do because you just don't contribute.
If you are town, shape up now !
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@ Palmar
I think it is a valid approach. Did you read my latest post on WBG last bluff ?
I think you should take Vivax out of the list for his reactions at that time. Obvsiouly you should remove me from the list as well ^^
My conclusion is that the remaining scum players are among BL, Tunkeg, VE, Hapa and Z-Bo. I'm not for removing Jay from the list but I'm going to follow Wbg and you on this one.
@ Z-Bo
I'm gonna be seriously concerned about you if you don't find a mafia player today.
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On December 13 2012 20:48 Palmar wrote:
That's a loaded threat towards Z-Bo. I don't like it.
Well, I'm expecting him to deliver. I like his town playstyle and he totally nailed thrawn in the last Mario Mini.
I liked his cases so far but I want him to nail scum.
I should expect the same from marv and you but I'm just more familiar with Z-Bo.
Your post with the syntax compilation was strange. People have also been counting the number of smileys I have in average in my scum and town games. Why do I provoke reactions like this ?
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On December 13 2012 20:53 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote:
I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets. WHY DO YOU SAY THIS RIGHT AFTER CALLING ME TOWN, BAFFLES MY MIND. You find it intiguing?!?! Can we just lynch this fucker.
lol he was talking to me ^^
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On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote:
I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets.
I was persuaded that jay and Tunkeg were mafia yesterday and far less sure about Adam. The lack of interactions with Adam could be explained because I was a bit wary of the debears/Adam interactions and didn't want to step in. After, I went sleeping and Adam went lurking.
I didn't feel the need to interact with him yesterday, that would be my best explanation.
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On December 13 2012 21:14 Palmar wrote:
So why are you lying?
Did you simply forget that you not only stepped in, you figuratively waded in yelling at debears repeatedly for his read on Adam?
Or is there something more malicious to it?
I sincerely wonder, because I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but it makes no sense for you to lie about what you did, from neither alignment, but it doesn't make you look good.
I forgot about these posts...
Yeah, at that time, I was under the impression that debears was exaggerating in his analisys of Adam's posts.
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Yeah, I know I look bad because of this. I find it strange that nobody used it in a case against me yet.
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On December 13 2012 21:51 Palmar wrote:
Isn't that exactly what I'm doing??
I'm just in no rush to wagon it up, we still got plenty of time.
I'm still town though...
I honestly think that there are people looking worse than me, and maybe actually mafia on top of that. Did you read my last contributions ?
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On December 13 2012 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
no, fuck you. go read my posts.
kill tunkeg BL and VE and consider killing Palmar if his reads still suck ass.
I'm totally up to follow WBG legacy.
My tentative scumteam rightnow would be a Tunkeg, BL and VE.
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EBWOP: But I don't think that we should lynch Palmar.
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On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote:
Lemme point out some stuff in the game:
Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right"
Hey, guys, I think I found the reason why debears was NKed by the mafia. He was the only one standing in front of a BL mislynch... How could I have been so blind to this obvious truth ?
BL is totally getting framed !
Or not ?
On December 12 2012 14:29 debears wrote:
and I better add Djo and BL to my possible naughty list
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On December 13 2012 23:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ehhh, that's heavy WIFOM and you know it Djo.
I know, I was being sarcastic, I'm totally up for a BL lynch today.
Do you have any ideas for a possible scumteam ?
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