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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 12 2012 00:05 GMT
#821
On December 12 2012 09:03 debears wrote:
Only if he's town palmar, only if he's town


That's the assumption.

Also can we like get a vote or two extra on Adam just to prevent any last minute shenanigans?
Computer says mafia
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 00:06 GMT
#822
adammmmm now's a good time to start posting
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 12 2012 00:06 GMT
#823
On December 12 2012 08:57 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower !

##Unvote
##Vote Tunkeg


Djo you really don't want to lynch Adam huh?


It's not that, I just really don't think he is our best lynch today. I thought the deadline was at 9am Korea also.
I've got to go to work now. I hope you guys are right about Adam...
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 00:07 GMT
#824
On December 12 2012 09:05 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 09:03 debears wrote:
Only if he's town palmar, only if he's town


That's the assumption.

Also can we like get a vote or two extra on Adam just to prevent any last minute shenanigans?


I'll do it at the last minute
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 12 2012 00:07 GMT
#825
Alright, seeing as I am the leading vote getter today, Ill get some reads out for you guys so my death isn't a complete waste.


Obvious town to me:
Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax.


Jaybrundage
Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum.


Bluelightz
Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum.


WBG
He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum.


Tunkeg
Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment.


VisceraEyes
VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions.


Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.




Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort.


##Vote Jaybrundage
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 12 2012 00:07 GMT
#826
marv any thoughts on my BL case?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 00:07 GMT
#827
wow i summoned adam
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 12 2012 00:09 GMT
#828
On December 12 2012 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
wow i summoned adam


Try summoning Bugs - I'd expect him to be in here calling us all fucking assholes or something.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 12 2012 00:10 GMT
#829
no joke VE

hmmmm
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 00:12 GMT
#830
where do bugs go? when do bugs go? why do bugs go?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 00:13 GMT
#831
On December 12 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:

Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.



I disagree, go read looney lynching. mario was an abnormal situation
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 12 2012 00:13 GMT
#832
On December 12 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright, seeing as I am the leading vote getter today, Ill get some reads out for you guys so my death isn't a complete waste.


Obvious town to me:
Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax.


Jaybrundage
Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum.


Bluelightz
Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum.


WBG
He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum.


Tunkeg
Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment.


VisceraEyes
VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions.


Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.




Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort.


##Vote Jaybrundage


GOD DAMNIT I FUCKING LOVE THESE READS!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME ADAM?!?!?!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 12 2012 00:13 GMT
#833
On December 12 2012 08:03 marvellosity wrote:
naw i feel terrible about it


Adam not ok for a lynch?

On December 12 2012 02:04 marvellosity wrote:
The number of people 'uncomfortable' or whatever word you want to use about Adam's lynch makes me feel quite good about it at the moment.


Adam ok cause of others.

From interaction with bugs, meant somewhat as defense since Adam might prove useful:

Marv @ 00:10; 12/12/12:
Take a gander at Whose Line where Adam caught two scum in the first cycle or so


Adam somewhat not ok?

On December 11 2012 11:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
Marvy baby. Thoughts on my recent posts on adam?


I like it. I have very little else to add other than I agree that it makes no sense that he was talking to you that way when you were his scumread.

I'd understand it more if this was the start of the interactions, but it's been going on a while.

Tunkeg has done jack shit to make me think he's town which I love to lynch for on Day 1, but Adam has betrayed a scum mentality right there.

##Unvote
##Vote: Adamsomenumbers


The voting moment. This is quite important, marv agrees with debears about something pretty generic. Calling marv out for this here would give him plenty of versions of "that he was talking to you that way" to offer.
Anyway, you'll see how this is weird cause of the last quotation, especially that he agrees with debears with no problems.

On December 11 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 05:53 grush57 wrote:
I remember in LVI I was on scum with Adam, and it reminds me of how he is semi-active but not really doing anything.


The thing I didn't like about Adam was that I had to press him to turn his commentary into a read on debears. Other than that he's actually posted a little more already than I was expecting him to, so meh. I'm slightly something on Adam but I'm not sure what yet :p

Can I interest you fine people in a scum lynch, a la Tunkeg? Is there anyone out there who actually gets good vibes from how he came into the thread?


He keeps a neutral stance on Adam, then asks for opionions about Tunkeg.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2012 02:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 02:42 debears wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:22 debears wrote:
@Djo/Marv

Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum

On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Notice

1) Your town play is way different
2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim
3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast"


He said he wasn't calling him scum right that instant, he was questioning him to try to find out what was going on. That doesn't mean he didn't find the play scummy. Presumably the reason he's questioning him is BECAUSE his play was different from his town play. No?


But marv that seems to contrast his statement saying "if I wanted to call you scum". It's possible that it's just me interpreting what he means wrongly. But saying "i'm not calling you scum" is the same thing as "i'm not calling you scummy" imo.

It's not that he questioned thrawn. It's how he did it. Saying "your town meta is different' and "town you wouldn't say this" implies that he finds thrawn scummy. Then, he says he's not calling thrawn scum.

Also, marv, what do you think of this?

On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions.

Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category.


1) Look at my "case". 4/5 sentences is a case by me? Yeah right....
2) He takes my post out of context. Djo asked me me a question and I responded

On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days?


Ikr

Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it

Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video?


Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ?
What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ?


To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice son

And it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware.

So from

town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles

scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1.

Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom


I'm the first to vote in the voting thread
So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay...
I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not.

At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ?



On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


Then, he votes me after taking my post out of context, saying I should have voted him with my "case"

On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


Yeah.....I'm sorry marv that I don't follow up my extensive, 4 sentence cases with no quotes that are a response to a question with a vote

This reaction is something that I don't see a townie mindset
1) Questioning someone and mentioning twice that they're playing way different from their town play. Then, saying that you don't think they are scum (ie scummy)
2) Taking someone else's posts out of context when he mentions you
3) Voting for said person when he didn't make a "case" against you because he didn't follow up his "case" with a vote


The problem as I see it is that you're doing what you're accusing Adam of doing. Adam is questioning thrawn on his millershit or whatever. But he's not calling him scum or voting him, right?

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


Now this might not be a "case" as you would call one, but then what is it? You don't like his questioning, you don't like his lack of vote, you don't like that he didn't call him scummy, you felt his reaction was forced. All this in itself implies that he is either scum or scummy (if you say the two are the same...) and yet at the time you weren't voting him either.



Meh, I've used the same argument to defend Adam against debears, yet marv first neglected it, then basically accepted it by voting for him that early. What I don't like is how he first ignores this argument, then starts pulling out his own arguments, which are all very fluffy in my opinion.
Anyway, the argument which implicitly made marv change opinion about debears case (which he said wasn't a real case lol) was this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2012 02:42 debears wrote:
Yeah.....I'm sorry marv that I don't follow up my extensive, 4 sentence cases with no quotes that are a response to a question with a vote

This reaction is something that I don't see a townie mindset
1) Questioning someone and mentioning twice that they're playing way different from their town play. Then, saying that you don't think they are scum (ie scummy)
2) Taking someone else's posts out of context when he mentions you
3) Voting for said person when he didn't make a "case" against you because he didn't follow up his "case" with a vote


So much for a little Marv & Adam summary to give some food for thought.
Also, if Adam flips town, I'd like to see debears dead.
Inbefore marv jumps out and calls me dumb etc., well at least that's something.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 12 2012 00:16 GMT
#834
my post at the top of your list was heavy sarcasm, Vivax. And my point about whose line is that he was useful there and he isn't here. learn to comperehend please.

VE, I don't know what you're smoking, those reads are unemotional as shit.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 12 2012 00:18 GMT
#835
On December 12 2012 09:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv any thoughts on my BL case?

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 12 2012 00:18 GMT
#836
Sorry I didn't hear the tone of your letters
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 12 2012 00:18 GMT
#837
On December 12 2012 09:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 09:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv any thoughts on my BL case?



probably that you're dumb or something
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 12 2012 00:19 GMT
#838
On December 12 2012 09:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 09:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv any thoughts on my BL case?



BL gonna be BL. He does all of that shit all the time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 12 2012 00:19 GMT
#839
On December 12 2012 09:16 marvellosity wrote:
my post at the top of your list was heavy sarcasm, Vivax. And my point about whose line is that he was useful there and he isn't here. learn to comperehend please.

VE, I don't know what you're smoking, those reads are unemotional as shit.


What do you mean unemotional? What does that have to do with anything?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 12 2012 00:20 GMT
#840
But yeah, could have thought that you would no do something so obviously weird for serious.
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