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On December 12 2012 01:45 Bluelightz wrote: Losing confidence in his lynch, so I switched to Adam because it will probably be the lynch (barring any new cases while I sleep) and because of the reasons I have listed. Are you losing confidence in his lynch or are you losing confidence that he is scum? | ||
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See, here's the problem with that explanation, that post is so vaguely worded it's hard to derive anything from it. You just threw our random suspicion.... "oh you guys this looks kinda weird, dunno!" You never said it looked scummy or townie or why. Please explain why you think he's scum other than the reasons Palmar gave. | ||
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I do not agree that taking every opportunity to defend yourself is townie at all, I actually find it rather scummy. If someone is clearly wrong you do not need to respond, it's scum who feel "caught" that feel the need to respond. | ||
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On December 12 2012 02:04 marvellosity wrote: The number of people 'uncomfortable' or whatever word you want to use about Adam's lynch makes me feel quite good about it at the moment. Although I kind of understand it, if you believe I'm town you must believe I'm uncomfortable for legitimate reasons, right? Do you think that if adams is scum no scum votes are on him yet? | ||
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On December 12 2012 02:37 Vivax wrote: Wtf Tunkeg, can't you share your reads some earlier instead of going martyr-mode at this time. Stop doing this, it's not helpful, you're just taking up space. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [giant post] + On December 10 2012 21:37 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, from reading the thread here's some rapid fire scum reads and suspicions - as well as answers after I play some games after posting this. Firstly, thrawn. What I find suspicious about him is that first, he only answers questions when pressured, this is an example of trying not to give information to town and because he has a bunch of one-liners in his filter. Also, shall we take a look at his vote? Oh, it's on WBG, why is it on WBG??? He says that WBG has rubbed him the scummiest out of all the responses, but I think his vote is justified, and thrawn's point is not. Because WBG says because his vote (at the time on thrawn) is because of LALiars, which is possibly true because we don't know thrawn's alignment and his intentions in doing that (although thrawn has explained why he claimed Miller, but in his explanation "It first was mostly a joke but it was also intended to jumpstart discussion", wait what? He's trying to shed a good light to his mostly bad action) Second, jaybrundage: It has been said by clarity already but how I think it is, it's a attempt to avoid pressure, also the sentence after: Does he give a bloody explanation on why thrawn is making a good case why he's scum? nope (so where's the info we can discuss bro?). Piggybacking other people's opinion and not giving one's own: Not giving information to the discussion. Also, lastly, I don't understand why he keeps pressuring thrawn for a response, is thrawn's response so pivotal to him? This along with clarity's case, I will vote jaybrundage. ##vote: jaybrundage So on my simple one post suspicions: Why, everyone knows that chances suck balls in mafia correct? This is as same as lying to be frank (does he know more than we do? Does he know more shit so he can base his 80% chance that Palmar is scum? Is this just an attempt to get a good town player d34d through the lynch?) Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective He says: 1) There's no town mindset in saying it 2) There's a lot of scum mindset Yet, he keeps warning thrawn he'll get lynch if he keeps it up. And the wishy-washiness despite having said the above "Hey he found it but I'll explain this thing he found!" Doesn't bother to read jaybrundage's filter, but simply describes what jay said in his post. Okay game time. Gonna drop my vote off in the voting thread The post itself contains not much of value, mostly BL calling things "suspicious" or "weird", never committing any kind of read, just pointing out things. Please note that he sheeps my case, but he adds reasoning of his own. His own reasoning however, is very weak and non-committal. At first I thought he was just sheeping because my case is good (because it is) but this is the first of two times that he's done this, and both times he added terrible reasons while full on sheeping someone else. At this point, after some small post for a couple of minutes, he leaves and doesn't come back until 24 hours later. The fact that he makes a really big post right before he disappears seems scummy to me, it means he anticipated to be gone for a while but he wanted to look active. On December 12 2012 01:43 Bluelightz wrote: Aight. From the thread, I'm gonna vote ##Vote: Adam4167 Because of Palmar's case and my own reasons. I believe this is the most helpful vote I can put in before I sleep as I have school so can't be here @ the deadline. Here is his voteswitch. First off, he doesn't mention why he switched away from Jay. When prompted he answered: On December 12 2012 01:45 Bluelightz wrote: Losing confidence in his lynch, so I switched to Adam because it will probably be the lynch (barring any new cases while I sleep) and because of the reasons I have listed. Notice the phrasing. He's "losing confidence in his lynch." Because of him "losing confidence" he switches to Adam. He explains why: "Because he will probably be the lynch and because Palmar and my reasons" Since I didn't know his reasons, I asked him what they were. He responded by quoting one of his older posts: On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote: On Adam, This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange? But in this post he is not calling Adam scummy. He is calling what he said "strange". Completely non-committal like anything else he's done. This is the second time he sheeped someone but tried to appear as if he wasn't sheeping. Scum cares about their appearance a hell of a lot more than town, and BL has made it quite clear how worried he is. He makes a giant post before leaving for 24 hours to appear active, he then sheeps people but tries to appear as if he's not sheeping. Bluelightz is scum. ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:15 Vivax wrote: Thanks for noticing Clarity. I'm with ya, at least until I've finished reading the whole game another time. ##Vote Bluelightz Why does this demotivate me so. | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:47 debears wrote: A Bluelightz lynch is looking to easy. Clarity, 1) you want to lynch him because he posted reads. Posting reads, even rapid fire ones, is non alignment indicative 2) BL's posting, or lack thereof, has led him into the spotlight, and put him under massive pressure (unnecessary for scum to do so when they can just post once in a while to look like they are contributing) 3) Sheeping. You think your case is good, and you find him scummy cuz he sheeps you? that doesn't make sense Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched? BECAUSE WE NEED 9 VOTES TO LYNCH SOMEONE AND HE WON'T BE HERE. The worst possible outcome we could have today is a no lynch I don't care if he posted reads or not. You ignore the main point of my case. My case shows he cares about his appearance way too much, which IS alignment indicative. How can you call the BL lynch too easy and as the same time discredit my case. Which one is it, is my case good but he's "too easy" or is my case bad. Can't be both. | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:54 debears wrote: You really think he cares about his appearance based on his posting???? really???? Yes, you don't? | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:58 Z-BosoN wrote: Hiro, you aren't counting my vote on Tunkeg. Hm. Tunkeg's appeal looks to me like a martyr of some sort. Why wait for a wagon on him to dish out reads? Anyways, I'm not sure I'd like a BL lynch. Clarity's case on him feels forced, and I'm really not feeling him being scum. Here's three reasons on why Tunkeg is the best lynch we have. 1. Equation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=32#632 (this makes little sense from a town perspective) 2. Meta: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=25#481 3. Lack of Scumhunting: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=225844 @marv: After reading the above, do you still figure this: Because, afaik, Adam actually went after vivax and has some signs of being interested in the game. You know his meta better than I, but Tunkeg's just not feeling right, especially with bit #1 and #3. Also, what is your say on point #2? Bug's meta examples were pretty convincing. @Clarity_nl: actually hold on there buddy. Here you show that jay was your top scumread and you clearly wanted to lynch him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=423&topic_id=384953 Here you say that you don't like an Adam lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#464 And here you say that you enjoy a Tunkeg lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=26#509 But then you suddenly make a case on BL and try to make a wagon on him. If you really enjoyed a Tunkeg lynch, then why aren't you at least commenting on it or on the cases that stand on it? Why is BL a better choice than Tunkeg? Whatever happened do Jay?? Don't you still find him scum? What has he done to change your opinion of him? I said I would consolidate on him, he has a good chance of flipping scum. My jay lynch isn't happening today so I'm moving on. BL did something incredibly scummy so I made a case, and I believe him to be the scummiest person in this game right now. @ debears He has a couple of one liners that aren't alignment indicative at all. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:00 debears wrote: Do you want to grow some balls and actually call me scum? That's the town perspective. Clarity failed to address that his actions can be explained by a bored/lazy townie Bored/lazy town doesn't make a huge post of reads when they know they're gonna be inactive for a bit. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:03 debears wrote: Clarity, if you think your case on jay is so good, why in the fuck are you not rallying people to jay?????? Because a lot of people showed they disagreed and there is no momentum. I also don't have anything to add about jay since making that case, and repeating myself a lot seems pointless. I can easily revisit it tomorrow, today I want BL lynched. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:06 Z-BosoN wrote: Oopsies daisies! There, voted. Clarity, if you are as certain as you seemed earlier that he's scum, why aren't you pushing him? Because BL made a post that makes him scum, and I am more certain of him. If he hadn't done that I would be pushing jay more or consolidating on tunkeg, not sure. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:06 debears wrote: Exactly. And that's the majority of his filter. Clarity here's the link to his filter, I don't think you've read it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=235418 There is only one big post in there. And he makes comments about three people Where are you getting this nonsense from? Read my goddamn case and stop burying it in your disjointed thoughts spread out over 5 posts. I say his filter shows he cares about his appearance too much. You say he clearly doesn't because he has one liners. I say his one liners aren't alignment indicative. You say his filter is only made up of one liners. BUT ITS FUCKING NOT, READ MY CASE | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:07 debears wrote: Lol. This is not a townie mindset at all You believe so strongly you are right? We have what, 6 hours til lynch? And you aren't pushing your lynch???????????????????????????????????????????????? The fuck>? I am pushing my lynch, my lynch changed. How is this hard to understand? | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:12 debears wrote: Lol. You are making no sense right now. Jay has been the second leading candidate behind adam for most of the time. Now, you suddenly want to lynch bluelights when you believe your jay case is so good? Which case do you think is better? Jay has been the person with the 2nd most votes. Doesn't make him a likely lynch. There was no momentum on him. My BL case is better or I wouldn't have my vote on him. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:17 Vivax wrote: If it comforts you, me and Clarity probably too won't allow a no-lynch to happen. Also cause noone wants to be responsible of a no lynch, so it's not really alignment indicative. If we rally enough people for BL though, then you'Ll have to wait for Adam. Jesus Christ dude get away from me. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:19 debears wrote: Lol. Wow. I don't understand how you can see posting one liners as caring too much about your appearance. That doesn't make sense. BL is doing exactly what would get him attention, something which scum usually don't want. He's posting one (and two  ) liners and then sheeping like crazy with shitty reasoning. In other words, he obviously doesn't give a shit how the town views him.If you want to lynch BL for doing nothing for town, that's better reasoning. The problem with that is munk-e, tunkeg, jay, and VE all have been afk as fuck d1. Stop twisting my words and stop repeating yourself. Read my case. If you had you would know why I think he cares too much about his appearance. | ||
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