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On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : /
I call people dumb or idiots?
So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy?
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On December 11 2012 02:50 Vivax wrote:
My analysis is the end of that post. Thrawn acts as if he had some kind of plan behind his actions, and VE defending him doesn't take that into consideration, but thinks of it as a joke.
Clarity, may I know why you are so disinterested in thrawns claim? You were the first to point out his mistake and never gave a fuck about it.
I don't feel like I can just let this matter go. Thrawn could have talked about it as a joke, instead he acts as if he did it on purpose.
He's probably just realized that he's made a big mistake, and further talking about him will harm him no matter what.
I took it as a joke and moved on. His casual response to me saying millers aren't self aware made me conclude it was a null tell. His reaction to where he acts like he did it on purpose is rather dull, his explanation of "I wanted to spark discussion" seems legitimate. I actually just want people to stop talking about it as it's not that interesting.
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@ VE
Your soft defense of Jay reads as "he's too scummy to be scum"
Maybe saying "I don't want to be on an early bandwagon" is not optimal scum play, but please explain how you reach this statement as a town player.
Are you truly buying his story of "I've mislynched as town because of easy wagons, so I'm avoiding it by pressuring the early wagon without putting my vote there!"? He has not focused on anything else other than the thing he calls an easy bandwagon, but then he gives himself a lifeboat by saying he doesn't want to be part of the easy bandwagon, does this not smell like scum to you from a mile away?
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On December 11 2012 03:42 Vivax wrote:
After thinking about thrawns actions more thoroughly, there's another aspect that I think noone mentioned so far:
If he was a scum fakeclaiming, believing that millers are self-aware, he would take the risk of facing a counterclaim.
As others mentioned, he's drawn attention with that. But identifying scum with stereotypes isn't exactly the way. Why wouldn't scum be able to draw attention and get away with it?
He would have made following mistakes:
1. Overlooked the rule about self-awareness. Obvious.
2. Forgotten to consider another miller, under the premise that he really made mistake 1.
I don't believe it was a joke though, rather some sort of strategy. Maybe he would have brought these points up by himself at some point, betting on town not believing that he would do such mistakes.
So after mentioning how I've ignored the whole situation you're going to parrot me?
On December 10 2012 14:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So you're saying he's scum, but didn't know millers weren't self aware?
Do you find that a likely story? Keep in mind he claimed super early, if we were in a setup where millers were self-aware he would be at risk of being counter-claimed and being under heavy suspicion and lynched at some point for sure. (it is common for millers to claim early, the later the claim the more likely it is scum because scum likes to wait to make sure there will be no counter-claim).
No, your reaction makes no sense to me. Clearly I've read your posts but how can you be happy about it, seeing as (working from the scenario in which you are town) I am clearly misrepresenting you. How can you be happy about that?
From your experience an easy lynch is "a bus or a mislynch", which is to say we're either lynching scum or town (dur). So how does that change anything?
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On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)
What changed?
On December 11 2012 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Clarity:
Perhaps he feels responsible for mislynches in the past? I don't know WHY he said that...I just feel like the statement is more likely to come from town than scum. I didn't say anything LIKE "too scummy to be scum". I pointed out that his posts read more town than scum to me.
What do you think about Vivax? I want him to hang.
Haven't made up my mind yet.
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Is grush always like this?
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@ Marv
Yeah his opening post is a humongous waste of time, but it's just one post. Jay on the other hand I have a real reason to lynch. I don't buy it. Being scared to lynch a townie is all well and good, but being scared of jumping on the "easy bandwagon" because that makes him town (but he's scum in his eyes) is ridiculous.
He also just 180'd on thrawn without explaining why.
On December 11 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote:He's trying to justify every move he makes and being pretty careful in general. Holy shit, he even digs through his own meta to justify his "Ohmahgawdidontwannabandwagon". Meanwhile, he does exactly that, he catches up some sentiment in town and rides it when he feels it's strong enough. Check the filter. Until his "hit the bed" post, upon which he voted for me, he never updated his stance on thrawn, he never got the response he's been expecting from him. In theory, jay should have commented on my posts about thrawn, if not even supported them. But when he has to defend himself, he posts all sorts of shit. When he has to vote for someone, he never does it on his own initiative. Additionally, he tries to moderate other people. Another thing by jay in his last post: Same shit as with Tunkeg. He says that thrawn himself said it was a joke. Bullshit. Find the line where he says that. They both didn't even read. But unlike Tunkeg, Jay felt that thrawn was a liar and scum, and voted for him when others did.
He dug up those games because I asked, stop twisting things.
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On December 11 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Marv
Yeah his opening post is a humongous waste of time, but it's just one post. To which I respond: exactly.
Well I'm glad I made you feel all clever, but my point is I'm sure he'll post more, and it'll become apparent whether he's scum or not (judging by his first post).
I'm not willing to jump on a single post lynch and call it a day.
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I don't understand why you're trying to rally people to sheep you right now, when we're still in the first half of D1.
I'm glad you started making scumreads rather than soft defending a bunch of people though. Could you expand on Zbo?
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I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but....
On December 11 2012 06:33 Vivax wrote:
Doesn't even matter why he does it as long as he does it, clarity.
If you asked me to dig up my meta for you, I'll gently tell you to gtfo and read it for yourself, it's out there.
However, I don't even want to get lost into details, I don't trust his style and that's all.
I don't feel like lynching Tunkeg for one post. To me it looks like he's lazy. If he doesn't post more until the end of day 1 I'll think about changing opinion.
On December 11 2012 06:52 Vivax wrote:
Z-Boson is quite confrontational in his posts. I don't think he's scum as of now, but I think he should post more.
I didn't like Tunkegs response, he could have spent time posting more against others instead of reacting to my post with one line.
I'd join you in a Tunkeg vote, not in for Z-Boson though.
What?
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On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote:I'll go read the thread and scratch my balls some more. I'm clearly missing too much stuff  .
Look at me guys, I'm completely useless, don't rely on me.
On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote:
I still don't like your defensive style jaybro. Nothing personal.
You don't like his style? Do you think he's scum?
On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote:
Meanwhile, you can discuss how weird it is that I'm willing to lynch Tunkeg after his second post, Clarity looks willing to help in that, he's being like, my personal journalist.
That is weird. Weirder still is the fact that you mention it but don't expand on it.
I don't like that you mention "I'm willing to lynch this other guy too!", as if it really doesn't matter to you who we lynch.
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Tunkeg how about you go do some actual scumhunting.
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On December 11 2012 07:41 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Tunkeg how about you go do some actual scumhunting. How about you let me scumhunt the way I want to? There is plenty of spammers in this game, who have posted alot of nonsense. I will post when I feel I have something to post, I will not be sitting here nitpicking and twisting the words of every other post.
Show me an example of you scumhunting, then.
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Alright, skimmed Palmar's video. He calls me the towniest towny that ever lived so that's good. Other than that there's not much to take from it.
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On December 11 2012 09:08 Palmar wrote:
There's a lot more to take from it!
@marv: Why do you not want to kill adam? right from hist first post in the thread I noticed something off about his posting, and I don't have a problem with debears's case.
I also agree with clarity's case on jay. In addition I don't think Vivax is scum. I'm not sure on bugs, I need to understand how and why he's picking a fight with me. I honestly thought he knew I was going to stream but it looks like he was completely unaware, or his outburst against me would've been kinda pointless
Perhaps, but I didn't really have any eye opening moments. I think your video benefits scum more since you were taking the perspective of a townie, meaning most of what you said aligned with my thoughts.
Why do you think Vivax isn't scum?
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On December 11 2012 09:26 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 09:18 debears wrote:
Palmar I love you right now <3 you better not be scum. You as well. Otherwise that means I suck at this game....
Are you saying you have a townread on Palmar after he's made like 2 posts with knowledge of his alignment?
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Okay, so let me put it this way.
If Palmar after making his video opened up his pm and turns out he's scum, what is he more likely to do.
1. 180 on all his reads he made in the video
2. Keep up with his prior reads regardless of who his teammates are
If he is scum, he hasn't had to think as one yet.
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Yes, so assume all you said is true. Palmar didn't read his pm when he did the video and now he has. How does that make him town? Regardless of him "playing as town" the first 24h because he did a video. How are you not getting this?
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wtf dude. I'm just saying you have absolutely no reason to have any kind of read on him yet, unless you somehow got a read of him repeating the thoughts he had in the video.
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