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On December 20 2012 12:44 Z-BosoN wrote:Allright dudes, the lack of Nk's is because we either have a vet (which I doubt) or mafia just chose to stack (more likely). We'll find out at night, anyways. Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 15:11 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm i wanna say Z-boson from my gut read. But its nothing else besides that. gut reads gut reads. Can't you show me why you think I'm scum? Is this too much? Eagerly awaiting tomorrow.
@ Z-Bo
Why did you think that we could have 2 vets ?
If you doubted it, why mention it ?
And why did you not comment on marv's claim then ?
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Some of this posts look like he knows what is going on. Here are some examples:
On December 18 2012 12:10 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote:
@ Hapa
I hope that you are going to include jay in your scumteam.
The association with VE is quite obvious. Moreover, mafia should had been able to push his lynch over adam lynch D1 if he was town.
If jay is such a mislynch bait, why would VE go after z bo ?
When he could have been consistent and get a mislynch on jay.
Jay is scum.
GG You could also wifom that he did that to throw false leads.
Maybe he knew that association case between VE and jay was wrong
On December 20 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote:
It's definitely in the three of Z-Bo Jay and Hapa.
I'm fine with all, but I'm more sure of a Jay and Hapa scumteam.
Here I find strange that he doesn't even mention BL, he seems like he was prescient of what the situation was going to be.
I don't like his 180 on me so much, but it's true that I've been really trying to show that I was town D3.
That's all I have regarding grush...
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On December 24 2012 04:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:Some of this posts look like he knows what is going on. Here are some examples: On December 18 2012 12:10 grush57 wrote:On December 18 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote:
@ Hapa
I hope that you are going to include jay in your scumteam.
The association with VE is quite obvious. Moreover, mafia should had been able to push his lynch over adam lynch D1 if he was town.
If jay is such a mislynch bait, why would VE go after z bo ?
When he could have been consistent and get a mislynch on jay.
Jay is scum.
GG You could also wifom that he did that to throw false leads. Maybe he knew that association case between VE and jay was wrong On December 20 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote:
It's definitely in the three of Z-Bo Jay and Hapa.
I'm fine with all, but I'm more sure of a Jay and Hapa scumteam. Here I find strange that he doesn't even mention BL, he seems like he was prescient of what the situation was going to be.I don't like his 180 on me so much, but it's true that I've been really trying to show that I was town D3. That's all I have regarding grush... what do you mean by the bolded? basically you don't have very much negative to say about grush. With "some of his posts look like he knows what's going on" - sure why not. grush isn't a total idiot, his intuitive reads can be pretty decent, so it's not right to be surprised when he says sensible things.
What I meant was that he was correct about what was going to happen. So, I don't know if it's because he has extra info or because he has good intuition. So I'm uneasy right now.
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But I still think that lynching Hapa is the right move to do. But I'm really less sure than before jay's flip.
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On December 24 2012 05:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:08 Djodref wrote:
But I still think that lynching Hapa is the right move to do. But I'm really less sure than before jay's flip. obviously. jay flipped town rather than scum which he should have. your job, whether you're in france or not, is to convince me you're the townie and not z-bo. that's by far the less obvious thing for me right now.
Ok, I can do that.
You look quite confident that Hapa is going to flip scum. Would you mind to share what's the most definite argument you have for a scum Hapa ?
For me, it's the way he behaves D3. His vote of VE comes out of nowhere, as well as his previous town read on VE. Also he didn't defend me during D3.
The fact that he was concerned with the KP is a good sign. And of course Munk-E filter.
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@ marv
Regarding Z-Bo, he has totally ignored VE from quite a long time in the game.
On December 13 2012 12:04 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Also Z-Bo, who's your top scumread now in the face of the WBG flip? Still Vivax? No, tbh I don't think vivax is scum anymore. Despite his weird-as-fuck vote on Adam, the rest of his play feels to me like he is involved. Jay isn't looking too hot, and neither is Djo. VE is also someone I have to look more carefully, as well as yourself.Point a gun to my head and I'd say jay.
So, here, Z-Bo is saying that he needs to look at VE and Hapa carefully. But does he really do it ?
Here is Z-Bo stance on the game
On December 16 2012 04:42 Z-BosoN wrote:Godamn it... Here's my take at the game at the moment. *snip* tl;dr- I think both marv and Palmar are town.
- Likely one, if not two, and holy hell even three scum are found in Djo/Vivax/Hapa/Bluelightz/jay (I added Hapa here mostly due to elimination and because his two of his town-reads coincide with my scum reads. (Since, like I said earlier, scum really don't want to bus, it would make sense to give a fellow scum a town read at this point in the game))
- The shady and hard to read group of VE and grush57 may also have one scum.
I didn't proof read, but tried to make it easier to understand as I was writing this. Let me know what you guys think.
Hapa is added here by elimination and VE is hard to read...
And here comes Z-Bo after my case on VE
On December 17 2012 12:07 Z-BosoN wrote:Okay, I'm down to lynching VE. I don't like how he disappeared and hasn't really responded to anything. He doesn't seem interested in the game AT ALL. If you guys recall, we hadn't interacted at all up until he noted my "scumslip". He then made his "case" on me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=81#1607And parked his vote on me. This came at a time when I had some pressure on me. I agree a lot with Djo's point on how he is really just going with the flow. Note how his play is in complete contrast with his game on Liquid City. When he found me to be scum, he spent quite some time interacting with me, prodding around asking other people (BC) what they thought of me, etc. He then gave some attention elsewhere when I wasnt getting any traction. Take a look at the interaction that begins in the last 4-5 posts of this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=117978¤tpage=8And some in the next page as well. This game it's complete and utter crap. He gives a crap reason (that basically surmounts to: I'm prodding people everywhere) and doesnt push me, doesnt do shit. He parks his vote on me and keeps it there, saying later just how he'd be down to lynch me. Doesn't ask other people what they think of me, doesn't try to push his "scum read". There's also that whole Palmar wants him dead thing. I'm curious to see what his next move is.
And seriously, if Hapa flips red, it means that I bussed 2 of my teammates during day3. When I just could accept to be lynched and let someone else get the credit for it.
Please also note who Z-Bo has tunneled during this game: Vivax, Tunkeg, WBG and me (all town players)
And then suddendly today he started tunneling Hapa.
I don't see town Z-Bo failing that hard to find scum...
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On December 24 2012 06:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
Regarding ve, just read and stop repeating things ive gone over
And what about this "we might have a veteran part" ?
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On December 24 2012 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:@ DjoI'd consider joining me on marv. He should not be alive right now. You can rationalize his behavior however you want, but actions speak louder than words. When one of the game's best town players is alive at LYLO with this rapport... Show nested quote +However, Hapa policy-lynch rule #2 (lynch marv at lylo) is starting to make much more sense to me right now. Outside of sheeping Palmar/debears on the Adam vote early on Day 1, you've been largely pushing mafia objectives.
D2) Tunkeg lynch
D3) Push three non-VE targets (Jay, myself, and Djo... seems like a townie crowd)
D4) Jay lynch ... alarm bells should be going off. Marv is scum.
As for a Hapa + Z-Bo scumteam, think about it this way. The concensus regarding my lynch is that my "scummate" bussed me. If Z-Boson were my scumbuddy, the strategy we'd be using is insane. Our "plan" would be: 1) Bus Hapa for 5-6 days to build town credit 2) Light all that town-cred on fire, instead risking a gamble to win the game today by lynching one of the best town players on TL mafia. Yes that's sane. Keep thinking what you're thinking and town's going to lose.
I disagree, you could go all-in today. It's win or lose.
Also marv pushed Tunkeg lynch. He really wanted his lynch. I don't care if Tunkeg was town or not. Why fight Palmar over who to lynch as mafia when the alternative target was also town ?
And, yeah, jay lynch, everybody was on it. I cannot blame anyone for lynching jay given how he defended himself.
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On December 24 2012 06:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Whats so suspicious about me rationalizing the nks?
Because you were the only thinking that we could have two vets, which could be the case if marv is telling the truth.
And you didn't react to his claim when you said before that you doubted that we could have 2 veterans.
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On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow
Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead.
Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed.
Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point.
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On December 24 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point. But that's the thing - your strategy is not coherent. We eliminated all the opposition to Z-Bo... then decided to go all out today? If that was our NK plan, Z-Bo would bus me today and he would be our endgame player. I still don't understand why you think a town marv is alive at lylo.
I don't know. It could be easy not to kill him to bring this argument. It's like reverse framing. Today is all or nothing imo, so why not bring marv along.
Shit, I hate my position right now.
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Marv pushed Tunkeg lynch, but I did the same at that time. So it doesn't make him scum.
Marv thought that the scumteam was Hapa/jay/Djo. I understand him being wrong about jay and me, because we are scummy town players.
I don't know, I really like his reaction to WBG's bluff, when you did not even write a post.
Tell me why a scum marv would have had a town read on BL ? How does it serve him ?
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On December 24 2012 07:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:57 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point. But that's the thing - your strategy is not coherent. We eliminated all the opposition to Z-Bo... then decided to go all out today? If that was our NK plan, Z-Bo would bus me today and he would be our endgame player. I still don't understand why you think a town marv is alive at lylo. I don't know. It could be easy not to kill him to bring this argument. It's like reverse framing. Today is all or nothing imo, so why not bring marv along. Shit, I hate my position right now. Do you know what the first post in my Mario Mini Mafia QT was? http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/8tUWEsHeiEQ"Default rule - Marv dies N1. That is all."Killing marv is my #1 goal in all my scumgames. He's the player that's most familiar with my scum meta. That's also shows how much respect I have for his townplay - he will eat a scumteam alive if left alive for a long time.
So why did you keep a town read on marv for all game ?
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And why is Z-Bo getting all worried right now ?
I thought that he had you as scum. He can prove his innocence tomorrow...
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On December 24 2012 07:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:08 Djodref wrote:
And why is Z-Bo getting all worried right now ?
I thought that he had you as scum. He can prove his innocence tomorrow... Because marv and Grush are going "Lol hapa + Z-Boson scum!" Should be pretty obvious to him who the scumteam is right now.
Why do you defend him ?
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On December 24 2012 07:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Howabout this Djo - I'm CONVINCED that marv + grush are the scumteam. You have some pretty heavy doubts about grush yourself. I'm more than willing to consolidate on either.
Blew, I'm chosing between you or marv. I like it better like that...
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On December 24 2012 07:01 Z-BosoN wrote:
Vote updated. Djo im sure u can figure this out. Will bbl
@ Z-Bo
Don't you have Hapa in the scumteam ?
Why are you getting all worried that we lynch Hapa today ?
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On December 24 2012 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:14 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 07:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Howabout this Djo - I'm CONVINCED that marv + grush are the scumteam. You have some pretty heavy doubts about grush yourself. I'm more than willing to consolidate on either. Blew, I'm chosing between you or marv. I like it better like that... Fine with me. So rationalize how marv is alive? Also work through the NKs - how have players like thrawn, vivax, and debears died before a marv that everyone in the game has had a town-read on?
But I could ask the same question to you: how the fuck are you still alive ?
It's not like you are bad compared to marv...
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