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i'll say more stuff if yall want me to but idk what more there is to say. the game is pretty boring atm
certain things djo said about ve and they way djo posted lately makes me think there's no way he's scum. i cant really remember disagreeing with marv about anything in a long time. I had doubts about bl still but they were assuaged by what he's posted recently. grush is still somewhat of a question mark but tbh he's actually been pushing town objectives with almost all of his posts. i've had a town read on vivax for a long time but i don;t really spend too much time reading his posts.
hapa's spent most of his time defending himself and i dont like his accusation of bl. when he starts talking about his actual reads and stuff his posts get way shorter. i'm interpreting what jay is doing right now as trolling.
there is a good amount of associative evidence between the two.
+ Show Spoiler [associative case] +hapa starts off the day considering both jay and ve for the lynch. he backs down at the claim then no longer wants to lynch jay. jay seemed willing to stop the ve lynch at all costs with the execption of voting for hapa. I pressed both of them on this during the lynch and if you want me to go through and make a formal post about it with quotes and everything I will.
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hey jay. work me through the math you were using to prove that ve is scum and explain why it was wrong
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ebwop prove that ve is town
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ah nvm, idc. i looked at your filter again just now and you're scum
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you dont need to provide a big case just this very second, you can do that later. i just want as fast of a response as you can give. so who do you think is scum and why?
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Go read the conversation between marv and blue that happened a few pages back and tell me if you still think he's scum. true he's not really doing anything but he's contributed more than jay. the last two days jay has clocked out as soon as he's pressed to talk about his scumreads...why? he doesn't have any. he didn't even respond to my question a short while ago.
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you could say the exact same thing about my votes. i didn't vote for adam and i only voted for ve a few seconds before the deadline. and based on what people have been saying about ve's scum play i'm trying not to read into anything he says right before he gets lynched..... you're gonna need to work harder than that.
do you realize you are getting lynched? you should be trying harder
your current push against boson is pretty weak
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last cycle you tried really hard to get djo lynched then tried really hard to avoid ve's lynch. now you aren't putting much work into the thread at all. what's up?
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jay are you still around? i've got a little survey for ya but I don't wanna post it until I know you're watching the thread
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whatever, just answer when you see it
To Jay:
(a lot of these are "hypothetical" so just go with it. just try to answer as naturally as you can.)
1. if you were a random person in the obs thread watching this game and you think jay is scum, who do you think is the other scum?
2. who else do you think is mafia besides boson and why?
3. why did you vote for boson after saying "Just to be clear i think it would b a mistake to lynch anyone but (djo)"
4. which 2 people would you be most surprised about if they flipped scum?
5. at this point in the game, who are you the most paranoid/scared about being scum?
6. if you are town thinking you are going to be mislynched, why are you being so passive?
7. if boson is scum like you say, what advice do you think ve gave him before ve got lynched?
8. if you are town.... pretend you are scum. pick any other player you wish to be your scum partner. what is your strategy to win the game?
9. if you're town, pretend you are scum. what happened to the mafia kp last night? if you are scum, are there any reasons why you would withhold kp?
10. what are your thoughts about this survey?
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idk, i'm all out of silly questions.
imo the night kill stuff is still.... not really worth thinking about yet. your post doesn't include the possibility that mafia just withheld kp intentionally because they'll just get 2 kp next time.
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well, i'm pretty certain about jay being scum. his lynch has been the talk of the thread almost since right before ve got lynched. so it's not like scum would be able to prevent a jay lynch by withholding kp.
for example, they could just withhold kp last night, knowing jay will get lynched but hoping to wifom the thread into a mislynch later on... as I suspect you are doing.
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ok hapa here is the problem
earlier you made a commitment to thinking bl is scum, but it seemed like more of a process of elimination based read rather than you having real reasons for why you think he's scum. so i've been anxiously awaiting for you to come in with a case on bl... and now your case against him is based on wifom about your scum play and night kill theory.
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On December 20 2012 18:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Honestly, it's somewhat insulting that you think I'm capable of doing something that stupid.
meh, if you're scum it's honestly not that stupid considering it'd be your only real option at this point given how everyone thinks you're scum.
do you see? this is why I don't like the topic. i dont think anything can be gained by us arguing about what you would do if you're scum
i'll post some stuff about bl but I need to read through his filter and the voting thread again so it may take some time
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On December 20 2012 18:23 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 18:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
well, i'm pretty certain about jay being scum. his lynch has been the talk of the thread almost since right before ve got lynched. so it's not like scum would be able to prevent a jay lynch by withholding kp.
for example, they could just withhold kp last night, knowing jay will get lynched but hoping to wifom the thread into a mislynch later on... as I suspect you are doing. I realize you have respect for my scumplay, but show me one of my games where I attempt something even resembling a WIFOM play. Hell there's no incentive for a WIFOM play. If I was scum, it would be 10000000x more beneficial to shoot marv, or even you, rather than risk all this shit.
On December 20 2012 18:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Honestly, it's somewhat insulting that you think I'm capable of doing something that stupid.
hmm?
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so you acknowledged it'd be a smart move... but you are town because you wouldn't be stupid enough to try it?
i'm probably done for tonight as well, i'll talk about bl when i wake up.
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agree with marv
munk-e pretty much only talked about wbg and his 80% thing, then he dropped wbg as a scumread. so he goes from 0 scumreads to this:
On December 12 2012 09:45 Munk-E wrote:
Woah. Remember that we need 9 votes to lynch someone. With only a half hour left, it's probably too late to start a counter wagon. Even if jay seems more likely than adam, Adam is still worth your vote more. With 9 votes exactly on him, I'm worried that a last second band wagon gives any scum buddies he might have trying to bus him a legitimate reason to turn today into a no lynch.
##VOTE Adam4167
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he played off a certain amount of investment into the game that i'm not buying
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After I made my case against him it was pointed out that the things I was saying about his meta could also be said about his play in mario where he was town. Then recently there was this post. He was the first person to respond negatively to ve's claim. The least significant point is that there seemed to be a good town atmosphere during ve's lynch and boson was included in that.
However if by a miracle jay isn't scum, and if hapa isn't scum he's gonna be one of the first people I look at. I do not think grush/marv/djo are scum. I read bl's filter a few hours ago and it does look pretty bad.... but mostly only in the amount of content. I was initially having a little trouble exactly understanding his posts but I've gone back and read carefully and I think I see a town thought process. Those two are who I'm most considering as the second scum if it isn't hapa.
I still think hapa matched the profile of a scum replacement rather than a town replacement. My recent conversation with him was interesting and I'm less sure of him being scum but more paranoid about it as I was before. The fact that that specific topic (wifom about night kills and what scum hapa would do) was coming from hapa himself is too obviously self serving to ignore. That also seems to be part of his defense, that he wouldn't try to wifom a defense for himself. Based on my all my town coaching from him I would not expect him to make that defense as either alignment. My overall feeling during that conversation was that he was using wifom maliciously.
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