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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 23 2012 22:15 GMT
#47
/in
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 27 2012 00:49 GMT
#67
On November 27 2012 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
naturally i died first in chrono

/in



Just take it as a compliment.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 27 2012 21:39 GMT
#99
I feel that the only reason that everybody is drooling over the playerlist is that my name is on it.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 27 2012 22:32 GMT
#101
See, that's what they want you to think.

They're actually all insanely jealous.

Their way of coping with that jealousy is to hate on the playerlist, hoping to convince themselves it's not worthy of their drool.

+ Show Spoiler +
But it is.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 27 2012 22:36 GMT
#103
Don't confuse not doing anything in the game with not posting....

Not that I do either of those things.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 28 2012 23:45 GMT
#130
GOGOGOGOGOGGO
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 29 2012 22:58 GMT
#169
Hi. c:
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 29 2012 23:07 GMT
#176
Can we have a voting thread?

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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 29 2012 23:39 GMT
#202
On November 30 2012 08:25 Ace wrote:
##shoot Mr.Zentor


MrZentor*

If you're going to pretend to shoot me, do it correctly.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 29 2012 23:54 GMT
#208
On November 30 2012 08:47 Xatalos wrote:
The beginning of this game is quite... different... from newbie games Trolling seems to be the norm. Somehow I just don't like making yourself artificially harder to read. It's kind of like a selfish metagame plan to confuse other players - not to help your team. What's the point in establishing yourself as a null read? Except denying meaningful information from scumhunting?


People assume that if you're too uptight, you're mafia, so the first few pages are always just spam created by people trying to out-relax each other.

So have some fun!!
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 30 2012 00:00 GMT
#217
On November 30 2012 08:57 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 08:54 MrZentor wrote:
People assume that if you're too uptight, you're mafia, so the first few pages are always just spam created by people trying to out-relax each other.

So have some fun!!


Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 08:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
I think we should be serious and scumhunt.

Having fun is wrong.


Lynch?


That's the spirit!!

##Vote: Dandel Ion
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 30 2012 00:20 GMT
#233
What.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 14:49 GMT
#594
Everybody go read DoYouHas's filter.

All of his posts are so awkward and mechanical; he is by far the scummiest person here.

##Unvote: Dandel Ion
##Vote: DoYouHas
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 17:44 GMT
#627
On December 02 2012 00:54 ShiaoPi wrote:
I looked over DYH's filter and to be honest I think BH to be scummier. Ther are a couple of things that strike me as suspicious, the whole ace is dangerous and xata is noob thing but I also agree with the questions he had for BH. So I want to see some repsonses fom BH right now, unfortunately he seems to be absent...


Really? To me, BH is the most townie person here. There is no way a mafia would make a case and a few minutes later just tell everybody to ignore it. Mafia don't want to be in the spotlight, and bizarre behavior like that puts them in it.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 21:35 GMT
#708
##unvote DoYouHas
##vote marvellosity


Tomorrow I'm getting DoYouHas lynched, but Marv has been acting weird too.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 21:36 GMT
#710
Sorry buddy.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 21:37 GMT
#716
It's a bad kind of weird. :/
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 21:50 GMT
#736
Post the pm you got from the host please.

(We're allowed to do that, right?)
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 21:51 GMT
#738
11: The usual rules about role PMs are excluded intentionally, not through oversight. Do what you will with them. They're your roles.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 22:18 GMT
#794
There are too many people that I want to kill.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#811
NOOOO ACE PLEASE STAY
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 22:39 GMT
#826
I want to kill DoYouHas.

##Unvote: Marvellosity
##Vote: DoYouHas
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#829
##Unvote: Marvellosity
##Vote: DoYouHas
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 22:48 GMT
#842
There's not a whole lot of time for explanation, but basically...

All of DYH's posts are cautious and awkward. He is always serious and sometimes overly dramatic.

It's not that he does any one scummy thing in particular, but his whole manner is too careful.

It's hard to explain, you'd have to read his filter to see why he has a good chance of flipping scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 22:49 GMT
#850
Marv and VE, do us all a favor and kill DYH.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 22:51 GMT
#858
The easiest thing for a mafia is to pick one target and attack that person all game.

After a while, everybody starts to ignore the mafia, and, because he is frequently posting cases, it's easy to think that he is being helpful when he really isn't.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 23:00 GMT
#878
And now he claims. -.-

-.-
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 23:01 GMT
#883

##unvote
##vote DP
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 23:11 GMT
#893
lol
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 23:15 GMT
#902
I'm glad we all made it out of this ordeal alive.

Well, at least most of us.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 01 2012 23:28 GMT
#928
But BH, claiming 2 minutes before the deadline isn't optimal for the person who claims, regardless of whether the claim is true or not.

So the time when DYH claimed vigil doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 00:49 GMT
#985
You should fix your list.

I did a ton first day.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 14:53 GMT
#1014
Why hasn't DYH posted his role pm yet?

-.-
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 20:02 GMT
#1023
lol
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:11 GMT
#1049
Keirathi, you need to remember that DYH claimed a minute before the end of the day.

BH could have easily let him die without receiving any flak, because DYH claimed so late.

The only reason BH as scum would save DYH is if DYH was also scum. And it would still be risky to save DYH a few seconds before the end of the day.

I don't know why everybody thinks BH is scum, because this combined with his weird case on me basically proves him to not be scum.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:18 GMT
#1059
The only reason that Keirathi is making this ridiculous case is because he wasn't there.

He doesn't realize how little time there was between DYH's claim and the end of the day.

Its easy to not take into account the amount of time between posts when you were put in the game after the posts occurred.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#1062
Reading doesn't do it justice.

You need to experience it.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:26 GMT
#1067
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.

IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:32 GMT
#1072
1. Moving his vote around a lot on the first day.
2. Spending a lot of time making a case and instantly retracting it.

These things aren't the same.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:41 GMT
#1082
On December 03 2012 07:34 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:32 MrZentor wrote:
1. Moving his vote around a lot on the first day.
2. Spending a lot of time making a case and instantly retracting it.

These things aren't the same.

Aye. But it's not just the vote, he's often got a case or something with it, as I remember. I guess in my head it just doesn't strike me as odd for him to have made that case regardless of his alignment.


Yes, he might have gone from person to person, but did her ever do this?

On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually I take back the entire case on MrZ, I TAKE IT ALL BACK.

DONT PAY ATTENTION TO IT ITS BAD

##unvote


On December 03 2012 07:34 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.

IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case.

Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell.


But it would still have looked as if he tried to be helpful. It would still be good for him. This, along with the fact that he saved somebody who may or may not be our vigil, makes it WAAY more likely that he is town than scum.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#1086
Sandroba's logic:

Person X saved person Y, when he could have easily let him die.

Person X is scum.

Person Y is innocent.

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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 22:59 GMT
#1091
Fine with me XD
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 23:00 GMT
#1093
Unless mafia kills you, but they won't. c:
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 23:04 GMT
#1098
Not bad....
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 23:16 GMT
#1107
Keirathi.

I seriously don't understand what you're trying to prove.

BH saved DYH, while knowing that DYH was a vigil. If you're scum, instead of putting in an extra effort to SAVE a vigilante, wouldn't it be easier to pretend like you didn't see DYH's claim until TWO MINUTES after he claimed.

That's all BH had to do to kill DYH. Wait two minutes.

It makes absolutely no sense for BH to be scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 23:26 GMT
#1110
Yes, it IS possible that BH is scum.

But it is extremely unlikely.

So stop wasting your time until you have decent evidence against him.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 02 2012 23:44 GMT
#1115
In your case you showed how BH's play this game was different from his past townie games. This proves little, as people often change their play style over time.

Show a game in which BH was mafia and played like he is now.

Show me a game in which he, as scum, saved a claim vigilante when he could have let them die. (Or anything as insanely risky like that.)

Show me a game in which BH as scum made a case and then instantly retracted it.

Sure, BH's play this game isn't like his play as town in previous games, but it isn't like his scum play either.

So your case on him proves nothing.

+ Show Spoiler +
And I don't know who I want to lynch yet, because I don't come to rash conclusions before I get as much evidence as I can. i.e. It's best to wait at least 24 hours before deciding who you want to lynch.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 03 2012 00:23 GMT
#1119
I like to have as much evidence as possible before trying to get somebody lynched.

It's better than insisting that somebody who is basically confirmed town is scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 03 2012 02:54 GMT
#1123
Ah, a target I can more or less agree on.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 03 2012 21:38 GMT
#1221
On December 04 2012 05:00 DoYouHas wrote:
Here is an interesting point that should be mentioned. In a situation where there are 3 townies on the chopping block (myself, marv, DP) mafia will almost always split their vote (every time in my experience). That means that there should be at least 1 mafia on me and on DP (and probably on marv, but that is less sure because of shiao and zealos being by themselves on others).

The votelist for DP is the one that interests me the most, it had the longest time for the wagon to build, so should have had the best chance of drawing at least 1 scum vote onto it.

DarthPunk (5)<---- Has been lynched
BlazingHand, Blazinghand, Lazermonkey, marvellosity, Blazinghand, VisceraEyes, DoYouHas, debears, marvellosity, Blazinghand

I'm town. marv was town. I have a very good reason to believe BH is not scum. I have a townread on debears. That leaves Lazermonkey as the only person I think could be mafia on a list where I'm pretty sure there is a mafia.

Look at the post where Lazer votes DP. + Show Spoiler +
On December 01 2012 18:48 Lazermonkey wrote:
Just woke up...
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I want to point out that there is something about Lazermonkey that I find quite disconcerting: he shows up for a brief amount of time, votes randomly, and then leaves. He first did that with Ace and then did it again with Shiaopi. His exchange with Shiaopi seemed really forced and artificial, and he hasn't said anything of substance. Try to think of an opinion he's had or of anything of substance he's said: my mind comes up blank.

##vote Lazermonkey
I really don't get how you can read so much into the Ace vote TBH. It was a joke obviously
And it was less then one hour from game starting so I he was hardly in any danger at all. The fact that you are even using this as an argument against me is mind boggling.

Also, I see how you can say that I don't have any reads yet when it's quite clear that he have a scum read on ShiaoPi...While I think WBG post about me was weak, DP ''case'' is FAR worse.
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Sup. Thread was interesting to catch up with. Lots of people looking worse than they did previously.

I do want to unvote debears however.

##unvote

@VE you say that you missed the 10 post. Then how do you feel justified in your vote on debears which only makes sense if you are just sheeping marv (like I assumed you were)

Whilst reading through though one player did stick out to me as the scummiest of them all

That player is Lazermonkey.

Lazermonkey does not like to take a position.

On November 30 2012 23:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
On November 30 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lazer you are painting scummotives were none are. I am simply reinforcing my question on why share them. He had initially responded to it quoting bl. I said why I dont like it and I ask again why. How is that scummy? I think you are reading into it way too much.
But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being.
This post is taken heavily out side of context. I said this to show how stupid ShiaoPi's arguments against Xata were. So if anything I am taking a stance AGAINST ShiaoPi. While it is true I had a null read on Xata at the time of this post(still do) that is totaly and utterly irrelavant.
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:When asked who his reads were.

On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.

ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess.


He says nothing at all.

On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 01 2012 01:02 austinmcc wrote:
On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.

ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess.

Which players do you feel have been overly trolly? I agree with your sentiment, but it's not enough to just state that.

So let's start something going. Here are my thoughts on Zealos. He's not posting pictures or videos to thread, but he stands out to me as someone who has been here but isn't doing anything. Filter is almost solely one-liners, with a "vote x10" that then gets unvoted. He has one post with any meat to it - + Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2012 21:13 Zealos wrote:
I disagree on the question front Xata. Asking lots of questions forces potential Mafia players to give their opinions, and it means they can't avoid talking about the topics at hand, also, it's a good way of getting discussion moving.

The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum,

- but yet that post is just his thoughts on asking questions, and not actually DOING anything. While not as overtly enjoying himself as others, stuff like vote x10 and one-liners aren't doing anything for the thread.

So Lazermonkey, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Do they line up with mine?

Beyond that, pick a player of particular interest to you, and I'll give you my thoughts on them. Feel free to share yours or not.
Regarding people who are being over trolly in the sense that they basically haven't posted anything abot the game yet, BH and MrZentor. I played with Zentor and he was like this all game (aka, doing nothing) so it's mostly BH I'm concerned about. Marv have been posting alot of things but he have at least been posting some usefull stuff so I'm fine with that.

Regarding Zealos, I don't really care about any posts but his last. I basically agree what he was saying about questions, they are good but should be used as a complement to scum hunting, rather than replacing it. I don't think we can read too much into his post tho. I am going to treat him as null for the time being and see if he actually does something usefull.

Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm.


Here is how LM hedges. This could make them townie HOWEVER this could make them scummy overall they are null.
I don't really see how me making null reads on some players is making me scum. And the funny thing is, you find that my argument for saying that they are null makes me even more scummy. What a fucked up logic is that? So it would be better for me to simply say that they are null without even an explanation? If some action from some could be considered scummy or townie and it all comes down to WIFOM to determ which one it is, don't you think that is a null tell?

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:Finally let's look back at his shiao vote. Something is there that may not be apparent but when some reasoning is applied seems off.

On November 30 2012 22:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't like this post at all because at a first glimpse you get the impression that Marv adviced against outing town reads and that Xata still insisted on doing so when it is in fact the other way around. The only two reasons for you to do this is imo:
a). You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?
b). You are attempting to make Xata look worse then he in fact did, which is a straight up scum motive.

Neither of these are good for town.

##Unvote
##Vote ShiaoPi


What is he saying here?

a.) shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error.

b.) you are scum and are trying to mislynch xatalos

either way it is a liability and you need to go.

He hedges even when voting shiao. He does not care about mislynching a townie which is 50% of the scenario for shiao in his own estimation.

Lazermonkey has been wishy-washy and has not really said anything even when voting. He is not actually contributing and not scumhunting.

##Vote: Lazermonkey
While I may not have phrased myself in an optimal way I don't get how you can say that:

''You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?''
=
''shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error.''

Like WTF, there is a huge diference between theese two. While a) could be done by a really crappy town player it also can be motivated from scum PoV. And saying that there is a 50% chance for either of my estimations is bullcrap. It comes down to which of the explanations you think is more likely. He obviously either did a) or b) but it doesn't really matter unless he is a bad town player in which case we might have to reconsider. But Afaik ShiaoPi is quite experienced player, no?

Several times in this post DP are taking things out of context and he missinterprets ALOT of stuff. He is trying to make me look far worse than I in fact. There isn't any reason for this for town.

Also notice how close after WBGs post this came. While I'd say it's quite unlikely that scum team WBG and DP would make a push at the same time against me, I think it's perfectly resonable to say that DP saw WBGs post and thought there were a decent chance to cause a bandwagon on me.

DP just rose immensley on my scum-o-meter. While I am still suspicious of ShiaoPi because he is yet to come back and give a satisfying answer I think DP is looking worse.

##Unvote
##Vote DarthPunk

DP is voting Lazer because he doesn't like the number of null reads Lazer has been giving out, and he didn't like Lazer's given reasons for voting Shiaopi. Lazer is not wrong that DP didn't do a great job showing why Lazer's reasons for voting Shiaopi were bad. However, Lazer doesn't stop with just defending himself. Instead he goes right past that and OMGUS votes DP.

Thoughts?


Why am I town? :/
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 03 2012 21:46 GMT
#1225
Oh sorry, my vote for DP was about thirty seconds too late, so it was counted.

I thought my name was on that list...

+ Show Spoiler +
Ignore me...
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 03 2012 22:02 GMT
#1230
it was
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 03 2012 23:41 GMT
#1251
I want to kill Shiaopi.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 00:07 GMT
#1255
I have narrowed the mafia down to five people.

I can't decide which of those I want to kill.

But ShiaoPi is on the list and WBG wants to kills him, so why not?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 01:53 GMT
#1263
Keirathi, I want to kill because he's on my list.

Obviously...
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 02:39 GMT
#1274
WBG is a vet; he knows what kind of posting is beneficial for town and what is detrimental.

Making these terrible posts is a conscious decision. There is no reason for him, a vet, to post like that as town.

So, for actively hurting the town environment while fully aware of his actions, I will ##Vote: WBG.

Also, WBG, I challenge you. I challenge you to either refute each of BH's points in his case or to admit to purposefully being detrimental to town.

I challenge you to not say something useless like

On December 04 2012 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
cool, I was right. You're biased and bad. Let's move on.

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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:16 GMT
#1418
On December 04 2012 23:57 sandroba wrote:
Being detrimental to the town =/= wbg is scum. His emotional response to marv makes sense given the lack of knowledge of marv's alignment because it was the exact same response I had when reading through those pages.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2012 11:39 MrZentor wrote:
WBG is a vet; he knows what kind of posting is beneficial for town and what is detrimental.

Making these terrible posts is a conscious decision. There is no reason for him, a vet, to post like that as town.

So, for actively hurting the town environment while fully aware of his actions, I will ##Vote: WBG.

Also, WBG, I challenge you. I challenge you to either refute each of BH's points in his case or to admit to purposefully being detrimental to town.

I challenge you to not say something useless like

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
cool, I was right. You're biased and bad. Let's move on.





On December 05 2012 04:39 Xatalos wrote:
After carefully reading through MrZentor's filter, I'm left with more questions than answers. The biggest thing is this:


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 09:07 MrZentor wrote:
I have narrowed the mafia down to five people.

I can't decide which of those I want to kill.

But ShiaoPi is on the list and WBG wants to kills him, so why not?


Here it looks like MrZentor has a town read on WBG - he's even willing to follow WBG's lead to lynch ShiaoPi.


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 11:39 MrZentor wrote:
WBG is a vet; he knows what kind of posting is beneficial for town and what is detrimental.

Making these terrible posts is a conscious decision. There is no reason for him, a vet, to post like that as town.

So, for actively hurting the town environment while fully aware of his actions, I will ##Vote: WBG.

Also, WBG, I challenge you. I challenge you to either refute each of BH's points in his case or to admit to purposefully being detrimental to town.

I challenge you to not say something useless like

On December 04 2012 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
cool, I was right. You're biased and bad. Let's move on.



Two hours later, he's suddenly Mafia??? What the heck???

MrZentor seems to also have a very strong townread on BH. I pretty much agree with his arguments, although I wouldn't give them such heavy weight as MrZentor does (especially the weird case against MrZentor isn't that big of a towntell IMO).

I'm puzzled more than anything by MrZentor, but I want to hear an explanation for that voteswitch from ShiaoPi to WBG right now. I also want to hear some more reasoning for his actions so far in the game and what this mysterious "list of five suspects" is.


Yeah, I went back through WBG's and ShiaoPi's filters, and WBG's was far worse. What can I say? I'm fickle.

The "list of five suspects" is what it sounds like.




In other news, WBG failed my challenge. He's scum.


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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:23 GMT
#1423
Yeah, Marv NEVER thought WBG was scum.

On December 01 2012 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
wait, wtf? My last post didn't go through.

I don't remember the last votecount but from my mental image of the game it seems like we're moving toward lynching Xatalos. I'm fine with that; I have some small doubts that he might not be scum (i.e. his activity, for one) but I've seen him play active scum (Newbie XV for example) so perhaps it doesn't mean anything.

However, I want to point out that there is something about Lazermonkey that I find quite disconcerting: he shows up for a brief amount of time, votes randomly, and then leaves. He first did that with Ace and then did it again with Shiaopi. His exchange with Shiaopi seemed really forced and artificial, and he hasn't said anything of substance. Try to think of an opinion he's had or of anything of substance he's said: my mind comes up blank.

##vote Lazermonkey


why so scummy, bugs



NEVERRRRR

On December 01 2012 10:18 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##vote: wherebugsgo

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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:24 GMT
#1424
On December 05 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote:
@austin:

You seem to be hung up on WBG fighting with marv. Did you go read Rockband?

I believe I know marv as well as probably almost anyone on TL. If he gets in a fight in thread with someone, and thinks they are scum, he would be yelling about it up and down. The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town, and that they were just bashing egos against each other.

Now, I certainly don't think marv's reads are infallible, but at the very least it gives me pause to voting WBG. Marv is quick to call someone scum who does something he thinks is scum motivated, even if he changes his mind later. Do you think, as an outside observer of the fight, you have better insight into WBG's motives than who he was fighting with?

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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:27 GMT
#1427
I like how Keirathi is just blindly defending WBG.

Scum buddies?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:34 GMT
#1433
On December 05 2012 06:27 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 06:23 MrZentor wrote:
Yeah, Marv NEVER thought WBG was scum.

On December 01 2012 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
On December 01 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
wait, wtf? My last post didn't go through.

I don't remember the last votecount but from my mental image of the game it seems like we're moving toward lynching Xatalos. I'm fine with that; I have some small doubts that he might not be scum (i.e. his activity, for one) but I've seen him play active scum (Newbie XV for example) so perhaps it doesn't mean anything.

However, I want to point out that there is something about Lazermonkey that I find quite disconcerting: he shows up for a brief amount of time, votes randomly, and then leaves. He first did that with Ace and then did it again with Shiaopi. His exchange with Shiaopi seemed really forced and artificial, and he hasn't said anything of substance. Try to think of an opinion he's had or of anything of substance he's said: my mind comes up blank.

##vote Lazermonkey


why so scummy, bugs



NEVERRRRR

On December 01 2012 10:18 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##vote: wherebugsgo


I was obviously talking about when they were actually fighting with each other.

Marv did call WBG scum that time in the middle of d1, but he changed his mind pretty quickly. When they started fighting, if marv thought WBG was scum, he 100% WOULD have been yelling about it.


Then perhaps you should have said something like

"Marv called WBG scum several times, but I'm going to disregard this, because I like to think Marv was extremely confident that WBG was town."

Rather than

The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town


It's much less misleading.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:38 GMT
#1435
And no, it doesn't.

It means he wasn't sure either way, considering his recent attack on WBG.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:58 GMT
#1453
lol bh
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:07 GMT
#1487
Yeah we're masons.

Ever wondered BH was my top read or why my opinions suddenly changed?

That's right; we're masons buddies, and I love BH.

<3 Now kill Bugs and Keirathi
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:08 GMT
#1491
Remember how BH made a case against me then retracted it instantly?

That was him being stupid, then after posting it realizing I was masoned with him.

XD
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:09 GMT
#1497
Once we kill Bugs, we'll win. WOOT WOOT GO TOWN
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:10 GMT
#1500
On December 05 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 07:03 debears wrote:
I want the legit crumbs from you guys

I don't crumb as mason.

I just leave a Will for my partner to share if/when I die. Check Newbie XXII.


lolololololol I was right about you and Bugs being scum partners. XD

WOOT WOOT WOOT
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#1506
On December 05 2012 07:09 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:
Remember how BH made a case against me then retracted it instantly?

That was him being stupid, then after posting it realizing I was masoned with him.

XD
I'm not sure I'm buying this...


Yeah, why else would he act like this after posting it.

On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually I take back the entire case on MrZ, I TAKE IT ALL BACK.

DONT PAY ATTENTION TO IT ITS BAD

##unvote

On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
wow I'm so retarded please ignore MrZ case

On December 01 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:
On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
wow I'm so retarded please ignore MrZ case


you need to explain.


do I have to? It's pretty embarassing. I'd rather just work on a xatalos case plz


He said him taking back his case was due to it being based on a game where I was scum when he thought I was town. This, although true, wasn't the real reason.

He had forgotten I was his mason and made a case against me. I made fun of him so much for this. XD
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#1511
On December 05 2012 07:12 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 07:10 MrZentor wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:03 debears wrote:
I want the legit crumbs from you guys

I don't crumb as mason.

I just leave a Will for my partner to share if/when I die. Check Newbie XXII.


lolololololol I was right about you and Bugs being scum partners. XD

WOOT WOOT WOOT

Why the fuck would I claim Mason with bugs if I was scum with him?

If there is actually a Mason pair, I 100% damn myself to getting lynched after him. That's just bad play, when I could have kept harping about ShiaoPi and then being pissed that people wouldn't listen to me, but surprised when WBG flips scum.

Don't be ridiculous.


Bugs was going to die today and, when he flipped scum, we would have lynched you too for defending him so hard.

Your only hope of winning was to claim to be masons.

LOL
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:23 GMT
#1525
I mean, it is a closed setup.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:26 GMT
#1533
Meh, I'm pretty sure they're scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:38 GMT
#1549
You are Mace Windu. A member of the Jedi Council. You know your fellow councilmember, BlazingHand, is town. You may communicate with them outside the thread. (mason)

Yeah, you made the wrong thing blue.

You're scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:41 GMT
#1556
Yeah, in my pm the words 'you' and 'are' are also blue.

You didn't notice that?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:43 GMT
#1561
Oh, so it's irrelevant.

Whatever, WBG and you are bother scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:43 GMT
#1563
both*
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:48 GMT
#1575
HOW CAN YOU THINK BH IS SCUM??

He saved DYH, knowing that DYH was vigilante. DYH proved himself to not be aligned with scum by shooting them.

The only way you can be blind enough to think there is a possibility of BH being scum is if you're just a desperate scum trying to kill somebody besides yourself.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:53 GMT
#1583
lol;, there's no way a town would be so stupid as to think BH is scum

you have to be scum
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 22:54 GMT
#1587
says the person who thinks BH is scum

LOL
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 23:04 GMT
#1604
-.-
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 23:08 GMT
#1614
There aren't many non mason, not dead people left...
Zealos
Sandroba
Debears
ShiaoPi
Austinmcc
LazerMonkey
DYH*
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 05 2012 02:01 GMT
#1633
I think Austin is getting a little....

PARANOID
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 06 2012 21:47 GMT
#1770
hmmmmmmm
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 06 2012 22:47 GMT
#1775
##Vote: sandroba
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 06 2012 23:35 GMT
#1777
##Unvote sandroba
##Vote: austinmcc


Ugh, BH, why you so persuasive?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 07 2012 01:04 GMT
#1797
Ugh, I hate everybody seeing our conversations.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 07 2012 01:13 GMT
#1799
It's creepy.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 07 2012 23:31 GMT
#1970
I told you Sand was scum, BH.

I told you.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 08 2012 15:14 GMT
#1990
lol
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