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On November 27 2012 09:13 marvellosity wrote: naturally i died first in chrono /in ![]() Just take it as a compliment. | ||
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They're actually all insanely jealous. Their way of coping with that jealousy is to hate on the playerlist, hoping to convince themselves it's not worthy of their drool. + Show Spoiler + But it is. | ||
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Not that I do either of those things. | ||
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On November 30 2012 08:25 Ace wrote: ##shoot Mr.Zentor MrZentor* If you're going to pretend to shoot me, do it correctly. ![]() | ||
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On November 30 2012 08:47 Xatalos wrote: The beginning of this game is quite... different... from newbie games ![]() People assume that if you're too uptight, you're mafia, so the first few pages are always just spam created by people trying to out-relax each other. So have some fun!! ![]() | ||
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That's the spirit!! ##Vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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All of his posts are so awkward and mechanical; he is by far the scummiest person here. ##Unvote: Dandel Ion ##Vote: DoYouHas | ||
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On December 02 2012 00:54 ShiaoPi wrote: I looked over DYH's filter and to be honest I think BH to be scummier. Ther are a couple of things that strike me as suspicious, the whole ace is dangerous and xata is noob thing but I also agree with the questions he had for BH. So I want to see some repsonses fom BH right now, unfortunately he seems to be absent... Really? To me, BH is the most townie person here. There is no way a mafia would make a case and a few minutes later just tell everybody to ignore it. Mafia don't want to be in the spotlight, and bizarre behavior like that puts them in it. | ||
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##vote marvellosity Tomorrow I'm getting DoYouHas lynched, but Marv has been acting weird too. | ||
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11: The usual rules about role PMs are excluded intentionally, not through oversight. Do what you will with them. They're your roles. | ||
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![]() ##Unvote: Marvellosity ##Vote: DoYouHas | ||
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All of DYH's posts are cautious and awkward. He is always serious and sometimes overly dramatic. It's not that he does any one scummy thing in particular, but his whole manner is too careful. It's hard to explain, you'd have to read his filter to see why he has a good chance of flipping scum. | ||
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After a while, everybody starts to ignore the mafia, and, because he is frequently posting cases, it's easy to think that he is being helpful when he really isn't. | ||
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##unvote ##vote DP | ||
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Well, at least most of us. | ||
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So the time when DYH claimed vigil doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment. | ||
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I did a ton first day. | ||
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BH could have easily let him die without receiving any flak, because DYH claimed so late. The only reason BH as scum would save DYH is if DYH was also scum. And it would still be risky to save DYH a few seconds before the end of the day. I don't know why everybody thinks BH is scum, because this combined with his weird case on me basically proves him to not be scum. | ||
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He doesn't realize how little time there was between DYH's claim and the end of the day. Its easy to not take into account the amount of time between posts when you were put in the game after the posts occurred. | ||
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You need to experience it. | ||
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IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case. | ||
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2. Spending a lot of time making a case and instantly retracting it. These things aren't the same. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:34 austinmcc wrote: Aye. But it's not just the vote, he's often got a case or something with it, as I remember. I guess in my head it just doesn't strike me as odd for him to have made that case regardless of his alignment. Yes, he might have gone from person to person, but did her ever do this? On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote: Actually I take back the entire case on MrZ, I TAKE IT ALL BACK. DONT PAY ATTENTION TO IT ITS BAD ##unvote On December 03 2012 07:34 Keirathi wrote: Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell. But it would still have looked as if he tried to be helpful. It would still be good for him. This, along with the fact that he saved somebody who may or may not be our vigil, makes it WAAY more likely that he is town than scum. | ||
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Person X saved person Y, when he could have easily let him die. Person X is scum. Person Y is innocent. | ||
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I seriously don't understand what you're trying to prove. BH saved DYH, while knowing that DYH was a vigil. If you're scum, instead of putting in an extra effort to SAVE a vigilante, wouldn't it be easier to pretend like you didn't see DYH's claim until TWO MINUTES after he claimed. That's all BH had to do to kill DYH. Wait two minutes. It makes absolutely no sense for BH to be scum. | ||
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But it is extremely unlikely. So stop wasting your time until you have decent evidence against him. | ||
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Show a game in which BH was mafia and played like he is now. Show me a game in which he, as scum, saved a claim vigilante when he could have let them die. (Or anything as insanely risky like that.) Show me a game in which BH as scum made a case and then instantly retracted it. Sure, BH's play this game isn't like his play as town in previous games, but it isn't like his scum play either. So your case on him proves nothing. + Show Spoiler + And I don't know who I want to lynch yet, because I don't come to rash conclusions before I get as much evidence as I can. i.e. It's best to wait at least 24 hours before deciding who you want to lynch. | ||
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It's better than insisting that somebody who is basically confirmed town is scum. | ||
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On December 04 2012 05:00 DoYouHas wrote: Here is an interesting point that should be mentioned. In a situation where there are 3 townies on the chopping block (myself, marv, DP) mafia will almost always split their vote (every time in my experience). That means that there should be at least 1 mafia on me and on DP (and probably on marv, but that is less sure because of shiao and zealos being by themselves on others). The votelist for DP is the one that interests me the most, it had the longest time for the wagon to build, so should have had the best chance of drawing at least 1 scum vote onto it. DarthPunk (5)<---- Has been lynched I'm town. marv was town. I have a very good reason to believe BH is not scum. I have a townread on debears. That leaves Lazermonkey as the only person I think could be mafia on a list where I'm pretty sure there is a mafia. Look at the post where Lazer votes DP. + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2012 18:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Just woke up... I really don't get how you can read so much into the Ace vote TBH. It was a joke obviously And it was less then one hour from game starting so I he was hardly in any danger at all. The fact that you are even using this as an argument against me is mind boggling. Also, I see how you can say that I don't have any reads yet when it's quite clear that he have a scum read on ShiaoPi...While I think WBG post about me was weak, DP ''case'' is FAR worse. This post is taken heavily out side of context. I said this to show how stupid ShiaoPi's arguments against Xata were. So if anything I am taking a stance AGAINST ShiaoPi. While it is true I had a null read on Xata at the time of this post(still do) that is totaly and utterly irrelavant. I don't really see how me making null reads on some players is making me scum. And the funny thing is, you find that my argument for saying that they are null makes me even more scummy. What a fucked up logic is that? So it would be better for me to simply say that they are null without even an explanation? If some action from some could be considered scummy or townie and it all comes down to WIFOM to determ which one it is, don't you think that is a null tell? While I may not have phrased myself in an optimal way I don't get how you can say that: ''You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?'' = ''shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error.'' Like WTF, there is a huge diference between theese two. While a) could be done by a really crappy town player it also can be motivated from scum PoV. And saying that there is a 50% chance for either of my estimations is bullcrap. It comes down to which of the explanations you think is more likely. He obviously either did a) or b) but it doesn't really matter unless he is a bad town player in which case we might have to reconsider. But Afaik ShiaoPi is quite experienced player, no? Several times in this post DP are taking things out of context and he missinterprets ALOT of stuff. He is trying to make me look far worse than I in fact. There isn't any reason for this for town. Also notice how close after WBGs post this came. While I'd say it's quite unlikely that scum team WBG and DP would make a push at the same time against me, I think it's perfectly resonable to say that DP saw WBGs post and thought there were a decent chance to cause a bandwagon on me. DP just rose immensley on my scum-o-meter. While I am still suspicious of ShiaoPi because he is yet to come back and give a satisfying answer I think DP is looking worse. ##Unvote ##Vote DarthPunk DP is voting Lazer because he doesn't like the number of null reads Lazer has been giving out, and he didn't like Lazer's given reasons for voting Shiaopi. Lazer is not wrong that DP didn't do a great job showing why Lazer's reasons for voting Shiaopi were bad. However, Lazer doesn't stop with just defending himself. Instead he goes right past that and OMGUS votes DP. Thoughts? Why am I town? :/ | ||
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I thought my name was on that list... + Show Spoiler + Ignore me... | ||
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I can't decide which of those I want to kill. But ShiaoPi is on the list and WBG wants to kills him, so why not? | ||
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Obviously... | ||
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Making these terrible posts is a conscious decision. There is no reason for him, a vet, to post like that as town. So, for actively hurting the town environment while fully aware of his actions, I will ##Vote: WBG. Also, WBG, I challenge you. I challenge you to either refute each of BH's points in his case or to admit to purposefully being detrimental to town. I challenge you to not say something useless like On December 04 2012 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote: cool, I was right. You're biased and bad. Let's move on. | ||
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On December 04 2012 23:57 sandroba wrote: Being detrimental to the town =/= wbg is scum. His emotional response to marv makes sense given the lack of knowledge of marv's alignment because it was the exact same response I had when reading through those pages. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2012 11:39 MrZentor wrote: WBG is a vet; he knows what kind of posting is beneficial for town and what is detrimental. Making these terrible posts is a conscious decision. There is no reason for him, a vet, to post like that as town. So, for actively hurting the town environment while fully aware of his actions, I will ##Vote: WBG. Also, WBG, I challenge you. I challenge you to either refute each of BH's points in his case or to admit to purposefully being detrimental to town. I challenge you to not say something useless like On December 05 2012 04:39 Xatalos wrote: After carefully reading through MrZentor's filter, I'm left with more questions than answers. The biggest thing is this: Here it looks like MrZentor has a town read on WBG - he's even willing to follow WBG's lead to lynch ShiaoPi. Two hours later, he's suddenly Mafia??? What the heck??? MrZentor seems to also have a very strong townread on BH. I pretty much agree with his arguments, although I wouldn't give them such heavy weight as MrZentor does (especially the weird case against MrZentor isn't that big of a towntell IMO). I'm puzzled more than anything by MrZentor, but I want to hear an explanation for that voteswitch from ShiaoPi to WBG right now. I also want to hear some more reasoning for his actions so far in the game and what this mysterious "list of five suspects" is. Yeah, I went back through WBG's and ShiaoPi's filters, and WBG's was far worse. What can I say? I'm fickle. The "list of five suspects" is what it sounds like. In other news, WBG failed my challenge. He's scum. | ||
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NEVERRRRR On December 01 2012 10:18 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: wherebugsgo | ||
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On December 05 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: @austin: You seem to be hung up on WBG fighting with marv. Did you go read Rockband? I believe I know marv as well as probably almost anyone on TL. If he gets in a fight in thread with someone, and thinks they are scum, he would be yelling about it up and down. The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town, and that they were just bashing egos against each other. Now, I certainly don't think marv's reads are infallible, but at the very least it gives me pause to voting WBG. Marv is quick to call someone scum who does something he thinks is scum motivated, even if he changes his mind later. Do you think, as an outside observer of the fight, you have better insight into WBG's motives than who he was fighting with? | ||
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Scum buddies? | ||
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On December 05 2012 06:27 Keirathi wrote: I was obviously talking about when they were actually fighting with each other. Marv did call WBG scum that time in the middle of d1, but he changed his mind pretty quickly. When they started fighting, if marv thought WBG was scum, he 100% WOULD have been yelling about it. Then perhaps you should have said something like "Marv called WBG scum several times, but I'm going to disregard this, because I like to think Marv was extremely confident that WBG was town." Rather than The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town It's much less misleading. | ||
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It means he wasn't sure either way, considering his recent attack on WBG. | ||
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Ever wondered BH was my top read or why my opinions suddenly changed? That's right; we're masons buddies, and I love BH. <3 Now kill Bugs and Keirathi | ||
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That was him being stupid, then after posting it realizing I was masoned with him. XD | ||
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On December 05 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote: I don't crumb as mason. I just leave a Will for my partner to share if/when I die. Check Newbie XXII. lolololololol I was right about you and Bugs being scum partners. XD WOOT WOOT WOOT | ||
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Yeah, why else would he act like this after posting it. On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote: Actually I take back the entire case on MrZ, I TAKE IT ALL BACK. DONT PAY ATTENTION TO IT ITS BAD ##unvote On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote: wow I'm so retarded please ignore MrZ case On December 01 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote: do I have to? It's pretty embarassing. I'd rather just work on a xatalos case plz He said him taking back his case was due to it being based on a game where I was scum when he thought I was town. This, although true, wasn't the real reason. He had forgotten I was his mason and made a case against me. I made fun of him so much for this. XD | ||
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On December 05 2012 07:12 Keirathi wrote: Why the fuck would I claim Mason with bugs if I was scum with him? If there is actually a Mason pair, I 100% damn myself to getting lynched after him. That's just bad play, when I could have kept harping about ShiaoPi and then being pissed that people wouldn't listen to me, but surprised when WBG flips scum. Don't be ridiculous. Bugs was going to die today and, when he flipped scum, we would have lynched you too for defending him so hard. Your only hope of winning was to claim to be masons. LOL | ||
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Yeah, you made the wrong thing blue. You're scum. | ||
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You didn't notice that? | ||
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Whatever, WBG and you are bother scum. | ||
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He saved DYH, knowing that DYH was vigilante. DYH proved himself to not be aligned with scum by shooting them. The only way you can be blind enough to think there is a possibility of BH being scum is if you're just a desperate scum trying to kill somebody besides yourself. | ||
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you have to be scum | ||
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Zealos Sandroba Debears ShiaoPi Austinmcc LazerMonkey DYH* | ||
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PARANOID | ||
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##Vote: austinmcc Ugh, BH, why you so persuasive? | ||
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I told you. | ||
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