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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 21:59 GMT
#1458
Bah, fine DYH is forcing my hand.

WBG and I are MASONS

Now can we please vote ShiaoPi for the love of god?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:02 GMT
#1468
On December 05 2012 07:00 Blazinghand wrote:
first we lynch wbg theb u. ez.

No. If for some godawful reason that we lynch WBG today, we lynch you tomorrow 100%. And people can't WIFOM their way out of it this time.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:02 GMT
#1472
On December 05 2012 07:01 austinmcc wrote:
Wait do we really have two claims of mason pairs?

WBG or MrZ want to confirm these pairings?

WBG is at work.

He left around 7am CST this morning.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:03 GMT
#1475
@MrZ:

Are you mason with BH?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:05 GMT
#1481
On December 05 2012 07:03 debears wrote:
I want the legit crumbs from you guys

I don't crumb as mason.

I just leave a Will for my partner to share if/when I die. Check Newbie XXII.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:06 GMT
#1484
On December 05 2012 07:04 Blazinghand wrote:
also yes I briefly forgot mrz wad my madon d1

So you made a case against your own mason partner?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:06 GMT
#1486
On December 01 2012 10:06 Blazinghand wrote:
WBG and Gentlemen, we have our first obvious scum in the thread. That fellow is MrZ. I'm about to show you how not only is he scum from the perspective of a reasonable townie, but how he is in fact not playing as he always does as town.

Here's my analysis of MrZ's town play:
In DMM after his admittedly initial troll post (link) he's questioning aggressive (even towards Palmar (link)) and does NOT back down due to Palmar's responses (link). He doesn't waste posts on fluff or really anything except pushing his Palmar read. Town MrZ also has strong opinions about how to read trolling-- he thinks it's not null, but can in fact be scum motivated (link) which is in contradiction to his attitude this game (link).

In EMM he begins again without making a case, focusing on the VE claim that game (link), but within 24 hours has voted for ghost (link) and is bull-headed about his read, trying to pull other people onto his wagon (link), and interacting with his town-reads in an attempt to find a better wagon (link)

What do we know about MrZ?
Well, he's utterly unafraid of calling out players for being scummy, or for trolling. His only use for other people is to bully them to get onto his wagons, unless he develops a strong townread on one. He's aggressive, but focused, and although he's not super convincing he has conviction and as soon as he really shows up in the thread (beyond an opening post) he comes out with strong reads and a case. He will call people out, defend strong town reads (occasionally) and he really only listens to others when he has a strong town read on them. MrZ is not a player who trolls, takes the game lightly, or really does anything other than push his scum reads. He looks down on trolling and says it can be scummy.

MrZ is scum
This is nothing like the MrZ we've seen this game, who has in fact been in the thread for at least an hour and a half (over a day ago) and has failed to produce typical MrZ results. Now, I know MrZ likes to fool around a bit before his initial case, but he rarely bases his initial case on more than a couple posts from his target. He doesn't afraid of anyone, not even Vets. So where has he been this game? Why is MrZ acting so unlike himself?

It'd be one thing if MrZ wasn't in the thread-- he's notable for being absent from the thread for decent amounts of time. But when MrZ does show up, he makes cases, and he backs the shit up out of them. He defends his cases, even when they're brief-- and his cases always EXIST. Even in EMM, his pre-case posts are focused on the town discussion and are attempting to give a read.

His posts in this game show none of his aggressive stands against trolling, and the amount of time he spent in this thread would be spent by a town MrZ to make a case, or at least contribute to the discussion, even in its infancy.

Contrast his stance on trolling in DMM:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:27 MrZentor wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV


Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows?

He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment.


I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays.


No.

If somebody acts like mafia, they get lynched.

I'm not going to delay the lynching of a mafia, just because you're afraid of lynching a veteran.


To his stance here:

Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 08:54 MrZentor wrote:
On November 30 2012 08:47 Xatalos wrote:
The beginning of this game is quite... different... from newbie games Trolling seems to be the norm. Somehow I just don't like making yourself artificially harder to read. It's kind of like a selfish metagame plan to confuse other players - not to help your team. What's the point in establishing yourself as a null read? Except denying meaningful information from scumhunting?


People assume that if you're too uptight, you're mafia, so the first few pages are always just spam created by people trying to out-relax each other.

So have some fun!!


Something is different-- and that something is MrZ. He rolled scum this game.

It's not in the lurking, for MrZ is if nothing else is a lurker. It is in how he has spent his time in-thread. This is unlike any MrZ I've ever known.

##unvote
##vote MrZentor


come at me bro



Remember this, guys?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:09 GMT
#1496
So when WBG flips mason, can we please lynch BH tomorrow?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:12 GMT
#1502
On December 05 2012 07:10 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:03 debears wrote:
I want the legit crumbs from you guys

I don't crumb as mason.

I just leave a Will for my partner to share if/when I die. Check Newbie XXII.


lolololololol I was right about you and Bugs being scum partners. XD

WOOT WOOT WOOT

Why the fuck would I claim Mason with bugs if I was scum with him?

If there is actually a Mason pair, I 100% damn myself to getting lynched after him. That's just bad play, when I could have kept harping about ShiaoPi and then being pissed that people wouldn't listen to me, but surprised when WBG flips scum.

Don't be ridiculous.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#1509
On December 05 2012 07:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 07:12 Keirathi wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:10 MrZentor wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:03 debears wrote:
I want the legit crumbs from you guys

I don't crumb as mason.

I just leave a Will for my partner to share if/when I die. Check Newbie XXII.


lolololololol I was right about you and Bugs being scum partners. XD

WOOT WOOT WOOT

Why the fuck would I claim Mason with bugs if I was scum with him?

If there is actually a Mason pair, I 100% damn myself to getting lynched after him. That's just bad play, when I could have kept harping about ShiaoPi and then being pissed that people wouldn't listen to me, but surprised when WBG flips scum.

Don't be ridiculous.
Because you wanted to save WBG and didn't think it was likely taht theer were any masons?

Why would I ASSUME there aren't any masons in a closed setup?

That would just be suicide.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:18 GMT
#1514
I'm....honestly a bit inclined to believe BH and MrZ. Honestly I thought BH was a better player than making a case against his OWN FUCKING MASON PARTNER. but I just don't see scum counterclaiming me/WBG on day 2. What happens when WBG flips town, then?

Fuck, I don't know.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:20 GMT
#1517
On December 05 2012 07:19 debears wrote:
Keir, scum would be stupid to counterclaim in this situation. If WBG flips town, we lynch Mr Z tomorrow

...what?

You just said scum would be stupid to counterclaim, but if WBG flips town then scum DID counterclaim and we lynch MrZ tomorrow?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:25 GMT
#1530
Okay, well I guess WBG is getting lynched and there's not a fucking thing I can do about it.

So, when WBG flips town: I really think we have to flip one of MrZ/BH. I know I just said that I was inclined to believe the counterclaim because there's no reason for scum to counterclaim here, but look at what's happening. Everyone is automatically making them confirmed town, no matter what WBG flips.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:30 GMT
#1540
On December 05 2012 07:24 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 07:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:22 debears wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:19 debears wrote:
Keir, scum would be stupid to counterclaim in this situation. If WBG flips town, we lynch Mr Z tomorrow
I don't think we should lynch MrZentor tomorrow when if they flip town. Zentor being scum means Bh is scum as well. And that is impossible more or less.


huh......

So you're going to blindly trust we have 5/6 power roles as town?
No way
Well, there is no telling how many power roles scum/3 party have.


This is a 15 player game. That means 1/3 or over 1/3 of the entire town would be confirmed. No way

First off, this game is categorized as THEMED. Meaning it doesn't necessarily follow the normal roles/balancing.

And hell, even ACME that just finished recently had 5 blues in a 13 player game.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:33 GMT
#1543
I keep getting hung up on how BH "forgot" who his Mason partner was.

It wasn't like it was very far into the day. Like, how does that even make sense?

Now, would it make sense for a scum to make a case on their partner early, then say "Whoops guys, NVM!"? Much, much more sense than a FUCKING MASON DOING IT.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:35 GMT
#1546
Here's my role PM:

You are Big Bird. You can chat with your fellow muppet, wherebugsgo, outside of the thread. (Mason)
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:42 GMT
#1560
On December 05 2012 07:38 MrZentor wrote:
You are Mace Windu. A member of the Jedi Council. You know your fellow councilmember, BlazingHand, is town. You may communicate with them outside the thread. (mason)

Yeah, you made the wrong thing blue.

You're scum.

Oh really?

On December 02 2012 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
You are Captain Lee Adama. You're usually pretty persuasive, if a bit bad at following orders. Your vote is your only weapon right now, because your Viper is down for maintenance.


On December 03 2012 08:04 JingleHell wrote:
You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective)

Mafia Goon. You may carry an NK. You win with scum. Your team consists of yeah right, that would be embarrassing.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#1564
On December 05 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
We're not doing this by PM highlighting. Kei and WBG scum together. Lynch scum.

Oh of course we're not, since yours is the one that's different from both the confirmed flips. Convenient!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#1569
##Unvote: ShiaoPi
##Vote: BlazingHand


Wrong PM highlighting, terrible day 1 that doesn't match his town meta AT ALL, and HE MADE A FUCKING CASE AGAINST HIS OWN MASON PARTNER? Don't be dumb. If you want to lynch into the masons to test who is scum or not, lynch into the claim that doesn't make any fucking sense.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#1572
On December 05 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 07:45 Keirathi wrote:
##Unvote: ShiaoPi
##Vote: BlazingHand


Wrong PM highlighting, terrible day 1 that doesn't match his town meta AT ALL, and HE MADE A FUCKING CASE AGAINST HIS OWN MASON PARTNER? Don't be dumb. If you want to lynch into the masons to test who is scum or not, lynch into the claim that doesn't make any fucking sense.


lol die scum

Okay love.

As long as you die tomorrow <3
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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