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On December 04 2012 09:23 ShiaoPi wrote: @Kei:
I am seemingly going along with the flow since nobody is online/willing to discuss stuff when I am in the thread.... It is hard to be around for discussion when nobody else is.
I don't care that you aren't around for discussion. How is that even relevant to what I said about you?
You've just sheeped onto the popular opinion every time you've popped into the thread with little-to-no reasoning.
For example, what you said about BH:
On December 04 2012 00:24 ShiaoPi wrote: *snip* BH: Fuck what I said, I am leaning town on him now.
*snip*
Now on to the good stuff: Keirathi Obviously my changed read on BH is important for a red kei. but let's start from looking at ace: -He has been dickish, trolly and unhelpful, not exactly a scumtell but it adds to the entire picture. -What makes me wonder is especially the parts in his filter with "shiao/debears/DYH"-interaction and "shiao/VE/DP"-interaction. I do not remember having thoroughly interacted much with DYH, there were some questions from debears which I answered, also I did not interact with VE/DP in a remarkable kind of way. So I have no clue where he got this from, conclusions he does not read the thread thoroughly and makes shit up as he goes to appear contributing. Moving on to Kei now, While I initially agreed with a lot of his points against BH, I was also in the game from the beginning. Now with a clear reread I do not read BH as scummy anymore, from someone who replaces in I would expect him to have a clear mindset as well and I believe Keirathi to be a good enough player to be able to come to the same conclusion as I did. The entire amount of tunneling onto BH as an "easy" target seems to me like an attempt to just derail the entire thread into bascially the same discussion we had at the end of d1. Also the complete disregard for anything else, why? Cuz scum!
Why are you leaning town on him now? What in your read through changed your mind? Why do you think I should have come to the same conclusion?
That's what I'm talking about when I say you just flow with the popular opinion at the time.
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On December 04 2012 11:35 austinmcc wrote:Considering. I've been wavering on WBG, but for different reasons. Not sure if I want to lynch him today or no. My worries about him actually come from the spat he had with marv N1. We know marv was town. We know marv was the N1 kill. Heck, MARV should have known he'd be the N1 kill, because he knew his claim was true. Look at his N1. He may have expected a doc, but didn't say anything like that. He was mostly silent. Porque? Porque does a good scumhunter who is town NOT put down a lot of N1 thoughts? * DRAMATIC NOISE * BECAUSE OF WBG. From the very start of the night, marv and WBG got into their little shitfest. I know I've seen both get frustrated/pissy/whatever before, but...it's still curious to me because of - Movie Star Mini Mafia. - WBG hosted Movie Star
- Marv played in Movie Star
- One of the defining bits of movie star was a MASSIVE shitfight between VE and marv
- Both were town, and both were useless for a good chunk of a cycle because they just kept sniping at each other
- WBG knows that marvel can get thrown off track if you just keep yelling at him
If I were scum in this game, and I knew marv's claim was legit, and was going to make him the N1 kill...I'd do my best to neutralize any scum-hunting he was going to contribute, because we're going to know he's town and can take it as truth. WBG did a nice job of neutralizing Marv's scumhunting, while knowing that marv can react unproductively to constant sniping. To some extent, this may just be a narrative that I like, but WBG is one of the players that I wouldn't put it past. I'm not sure how his stubbornness and possible ego weigh out against his knowledge that he could mess with Marv's head like that. Keirathi, I assume you hate this post, sorry. It both follows up a target that's already being discussed AND doesn't vote. I secretly want to play BH and just post cases about all sorts of uninvolved people to try and stir crap up, but I don't have the time right now. So uninvolved people...pretend there are a bunch of cases posted on you. OH NO. BETTER POST AND TRY TO LOOK TOWNIE. No, I don't intrinsically hate this post, but I do have a problem with it.
Marv agreed with my read of BH.
Now, why is that important? Because of Rock Band. Even when marv was getting pissy towards Palmar, he still had the wherewithal to be right multiple times. Right about palmar being scum, and weeded out other scum, while making good saves. Notice he wasn't calling WBG scum, even though he was upset.
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On December 04 2012 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 05:19 marvellosity wrote: BH I just don't know. I raged at him in Mario on several occasions for what I viewed as retarded plays (voting someone he just called town and calling him scum with no reason). I can see town BH tunnelling someone even when holes have been picked in his case. I don't actually know how to have a scumread on BH :/
You realize that quote was BEFORE I made my case right?
Here's after:
On December 03 2012 06:14 marvellosity wrote: uh, i like that kei
On December 03 2012 06:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:16 Keirathi wrote:On December 03 2012 06:14 marvellosity wrote: uh, i like that kei You sound surprised -_- surprised in a good, "nicely done" way, not a "i didn't think you were capable of that" way. hush now ^^
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On December 04 2012 12:25 Xatalos wrote: Keirathi, I'm still on the fence about you. Please share your top lynch candidates and your reasons for those. And share your insight into more topics as well. A part of my read on ShiaoPi also depends on you, since I doubt he would have went after his teammate when he was pressured to make a case.
Was 3 people with reasoning not enough? :o
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On December 04 2012 12:32 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah I don't see that as marv saying I'm scum, I think he just had a mistaken town read on you. If marv thought I was scum I guarantee 100% he'd be unambiguous about it. He knew he was probably dead N1. Huh? He wasn't saying he had a town read on me at all. Where did that even come from?
Also, after you replied:
On December 03 2012 06:33 marvellosity wrote:is that all you have to say? :x
That seems pretty unambiguous to me. He wanted you to defend yourself to my meta case (which you still haven't done, but whatevs), because he thought it had merit.
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On December 04 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote: lol keirathi can't find anyone who supports his case against me so he's making them up I'm not even trying to get anyone to support my case, what the hell.
I'm trying to show why I don't think marv and WBG getting into a shitfit makes WBG scum. MARV didn't think he was scum during the shitfit. Which is directly different from the marv getting in a shitfit with Palmar in Rock Band.
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On December 04 2012 12:42 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:38 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote: lol keirathi can't find anyone who supports his case against me so he's making them up I'm not even trying to get anyone to support my case, what the hell. I'm trying to show why I don't think marv and WBG getting into a shitfit makes WBG scum. MARV didn't think he was scum during the shitfit. Which is directly different from the marv getting in a shitfit with Palmar in Rock Band. Different, but I'm not sure if it's in a meaningful way. I care less about what Marv may or may not have thought, and more about what WBG DID. WBG poking and prodding Marv after hosting a game and making comments about how marv got caught up in being poked and prodded shows me that he was doing it intentionally. Regardless of how marv read WBG, I don't like the idea that town WBG is getting all over marv's case at the start of the only night he's alive, with scum probably knowing they were shooting marv that night. Well you have to remember, WBG obstensibly had a scum read on marv, despite the DT claim. He was voting marv, and marv was a major pusher for the DP lynch.
Is it unreasonable for a townie with a scum read on someone who was the main proponent of a townie mislynch to argue with them during the night?
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On December 04 2012 12:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:46 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:42 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 12:38 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote: lol keirathi can't find anyone who supports his case against me so he's making them up I'm not even trying to get anyone to support my case, what the hell. I'm trying to show why I don't think marv and WBG getting into a shitfit makes WBG scum. MARV didn't think he was scum during the shitfit. Which is directly different from the marv getting in a shitfit with Palmar in Rock Band. Different, but I'm not sure if it's in a meaningful way. I care less about what Marv may or may not have thought, and more about what WBG DID. WBG poking and prodding Marv after hosting a game and making comments about how marv got caught up in being poked and prodded shows me that he was doing it intentionally. Regardless of how marv read WBG, I don't like the idea that town WBG is getting all over marv's case at the start of the only night he's alive, with scum probably knowing they were shooting marv that night. Well you have to remember, WBG obstensibly had a scum read on marv, despite the DT claim. He was voting marv, and marv was a major pusher for the DP lynch. Is it unreasonable for a townie with a scum read on someone who was the main proponent of a townie mislynch to argue with them during the night? I think it's reasonable to suspect them. To make a case on them. To call them scum, whatever. I actually DON'T think it's reasonable to shit up the thread like they did. Heck, if it were reasonable, there wouldn't be a big blue post from the host telling them to knock it off. But you KNOW marv was town, and he participated in it just as much as WBG did.
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On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote: WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself.
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On December 04 2012 12:56 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:53 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:48 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 12:46 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:42 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 12:38 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote: lol keirathi can't find anyone who supports his case against me so he's making them up I'm not even trying to get anyone to support my case, what the hell. I'm trying to show why I don't think marv and WBG getting into a shitfit makes WBG scum. MARV didn't think he was scum during the shitfit. Which is directly different from the marv getting in a shitfit with Palmar in Rock Band. Different, but I'm not sure if it's in a meaningful way. I care less about what Marv may or may not have thought, and more about what WBG DID. WBG poking and prodding Marv after hosting a game and making comments about how marv got caught up in being poked and prodded shows me that he was doing it intentionally. Regardless of how marv read WBG, I don't like the idea that town WBG is getting all over marv's case at the start of the only night he's alive, with scum probably knowing they were shooting marv that night. Well you have to remember, WBG obstensibly had a scum read on marv, despite the DT claim. He was voting marv, and marv was a major pusher for the DP lynch. Is it unreasonable for a townie with a scum read on someone who was the main proponent of a townie mislynch to argue with them during the night? I think it's reasonable to suspect them. To make a case on them. To call them scum, whatever. I actually DON'T think it's reasonable to shit up the thread like they did. Heck, if it were reasonable, there wouldn't be a big blue post from the host telling them to knock it off. But you KNOW marv was town, and he participated in it just as much as WBG did. You asked if it was reasonable for someone to do what WBG did. I don't think EITHER ONE of them was being reasonable, unless WBG is mafia. There are non-mafia explanations, frustration/ego/whatever. But it's not a reasonable action to fight like that in thread UNLESS WBG is mafia. Just an unreasonable action with somewhat of an explanation. That's kind of my point. It might not have been reasonable for WBG to fight with marv in thread, but it wasn't reasonable for marv to fight either. So if you know marv is town, why does it automatically make WBG scum? One townie can do it, but not two?
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On December 04 2012 13:14 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off? So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?! Wow, amazing logic. To be fair...host says you're scum. Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote: Setup Information This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. Host says marv is scum too...so yeah. Completely logical. I'm actually headed to bed, will maybe pick this back up in the morning. Also gonna note that I don't put too much faith in "both people doing same thing, marv town, therefore WBG certainly town." Again, I have a hard time believing you didn't know what you were doing, that you weren't purposefully provoking that. I'm not saying that WBG is town because marv was town. I'm saying that WBG fighting with marv has nothing to do with WBG's alignment, imo.
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On December 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote: WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself. Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier? He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me I've said multiple times why I think BH is scummy. Even ignoring the roleblock thing, look at my meta case on him. BH hasn't been interacting with people, trying to get them to talk about his scum reads. He just throws a name and case out there, argues with that person, then moves on when its pertinent, and I don't think switching votes from one townie to the other at the last second, when BH's scum meta is to be trolly and 'suboptimal', makes up for that. But other people aren't buying it, so I've stopped trying to push him for now.
As for Lazer:
On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
Particularly that post gave me a townie feel. This was after his big fight with DP, and calling Zealos out. Why would scum LM then, seeing austin doing something that could be considered "scummy", engage him by trying to get him to give reads and start discussion? It would make much more sense for scum LM to just call out austin and leave it at that.
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On December 04 2012 13:58 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote: WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself. Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier? He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me I've said multiple times why I think BH is scummy. Even ignoring the roleblock thing, look at my meta case on him. BH hasn't been interacting with people, trying to get them to talk about his scum reads. He just throws a name and case out there, argues with that person, then moves on when its pertinent, and I don't think switching votes from one townie to the other at the last second, when BH's scum meta is to be trolly and 'suboptimal', makes up for that. But other people aren't buying it, so I've stopped trying to push him for now. As for Lazer: On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
Particularly that post gave me a townie feel. This was after his big fight with DP, and calling Zealos out. Why would scum LM then, seeing austin doing something that could be considered "scummy", engage him by trying to get him to give reads and start discussion? It would make much more sense for scum LM to just call out austin and leave it at that. Keir, this question is very important in terms of BH imo. Why would he not keep his vote on the claimed vig last second before lynch? Town - Not lynch a possible vig Scum - Gain town cred by lettting the Vig live Give town a confirmed town member after the shotHaving the vig possibly hit a scum (which, if DYH is vig, he did) Be under pressure for lynching another townie I just don't see scum giving town a confirmed vig like that. Now, they have to nk DYH after the lynch You just answered your own question. Your even making the arguments for him, so he doesn't even have to.
Look how much town cred he bought by switching off of DYH. If BH is scum, everyone is willing to overlook WHY he's scum just because he did something that is suboptimal, and will hand him the game on a silver platter.
But again, I'm not going to argue about it anymore. I've stated my stance. People don't agree. Whatevs, it's not the first time people have ignored me, nor will it be the last.
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On December 04 2012 14:03 austinmcc wrote: /snoring
I'm having a dream. I'm dreaming that...that DYH isn't confirmed. That there are other explanations. That if scum only has 1 KP in a 15-person game, something is wrong. I'm dreaming that...it seems there should be an SK, or more than 1 KP, etc. etc.
I'm dreaming that we need to be careful not to call out "confirmed townies," even if we're relatively sure.
/snore We can cross that bridge when there is 2 KP in a night again.
For now, he's as close to confirmed town as we have.
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@debears:
What do you think about ShiaoPi?
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On December 04 2012 14:11 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote: WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself. Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier? He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me I've said multiple times why I think BH is scummy. Even ignoring the roleblock thing, look at my meta case on him. BH hasn't been interacting with people, trying to get them to talk about his scum reads. He just throws a name and case out there, argues with that person, then moves on when its pertinent, and I don't think switching votes from one townie to the other at the last second, when BH's scum meta is to be trolly and 'suboptimal', makes up for that. But other people aren't buying it, so I've stopped trying to push him for now. As for Lazer: On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
Particularly that post gave me a townie feel. This was after his big fight with DP, and calling Zealos out. Why would scum LM then, seeing austin doing something that could be considered "scummy", engage him by trying to get him to give reads and start discussion? It would make much more sense for scum LM to just call out austin and leave it at that. Ugh, this game is making my head hurt. There are both towny and scummy traits in almost every filter. What worries me most about Lazermonkey is his lack of presence in the thread (I can't even remember his stance on ANYTHING from the top of my head). But looking at his filter again, I agree with many things he says and I don't get the feeling he's playing scummy WHEN he's playing. Then I looked at DYH's reasoning for voting Lazermonkey and I agree that Lazermonkey is the best Mafia candidate of those who voted DP to be lynched (especially since Lazermonkey's vote was such a weird OMGUS vote out of thin air). I'd really like other people's opinions on Lazermonkey right now. If his lack of presence is the most worrying thing, why Lazer over Zealos, who hasn't done a goddamn thing?
Lazer might have OMGUS voted DP, but that's at least SOMETHING. Zealos was a non-factor day 1 and day 2.
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On December 04 2012 14:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:32 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 14:11 Xatalos wrote:On December 04 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote: WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself. Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier? He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me I've said multiple times why I think BH is scummy. Even ignoring the roleblock thing, look at my meta case on him. BH hasn't been interacting with people, trying to get them to talk about his scum reads. He just throws a name and case out there, argues with that person, then moves on when its pertinent, and I don't think switching votes from one townie to the other at the last second, when BH's scum meta is to be trolly and 'suboptimal', makes up for that. But other people aren't buying it, so I've stopped trying to push him for now. As for Lazer: On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
Particularly that post gave me a townie feel. This was after his big fight with DP, and calling Zealos out. Why would scum LM then, seeing austin doing something that could be considered "scummy", engage him by trying to get him to give reads and start discussion? It would make much more sense for scum LM to just call out austin and leave it at that. Ugh, this game is making my head hurt. There are both towny and scummy traits in almost every filter. What worries me most about Lazermonkey is his lack of presence in the thread (I can't even remember his stance on ANYTHING from the top of my head). But looking at his filter again, I agree with many things he says and I don't get the feeling he's playing scummy WHEN he's playing. Then I looked at DYH's reasoning for voting Lazermonkey and I agree that Lazermonkey is the best Mafia candidate of those who voted DP to be lynched (especially since Lazermonkey's vote was such a weird OMGUS vote out of thin air). I'd really like other people's opinions on Lazermonkey right now. If his lack of presence is the most worrying thing, why Lazer over Zealos, who hasn't done a goddamn thing? Lazer might have OMGUS voted DP, but that's at least SOMETHING. Zealos was a non-factor day 1 and day 2. Yeah, and there's the problem. 2 guys not doing shit. Include sandroba in that list. Hasn't done much either :/ What are the odds that one of the 3 non contributors are scum at this point? Hard to say Re: Sandroba -
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On December 03 2012 07:40 sandroba wrote: I have to go out quickly so I'ma post my thoughts early: Sandroba's Town List for dummies (TM): WBG - marvelosity = both too emo ragers for it to be fake. I can't see the genuine asshole behavior being faked here and there is no scum motivation for it. I would seriously like to lynch marv for being an assface jerk, but unfortunately I can't convince myself he is scum. Xatalos - LOL this guy is so townie I don't understand how you baddies manage to bandwagon him day 1. 'Nuff said. DYH - I really thought this guy was scum for his retard case on xatalos before I read the last 30 pages. However that last minute claim looks really good so I'm putting him as town. Hopefully he can get confirmed by shooting into scummers tonight. Assuming scum have 1 rb (can't really imagine them having 2) either him or marv should get their actions through.
Scummers : Zealos, BlazingHand are scum. I don't think I need to explain why for BH. Read Zealos oportunistic jump on xata wagon. That post has scum written all over it.
People that I'm unsure but leaning scum: VE - who you might ask? Yes this dude is playing in this game. I bet you didn't know either. Kei/Ace - Meh ace is a hard one for me to figure out. I thought he was scum when I was obsing because of his "Oh this is interesting" comment, but I'm liking kei a bit more. This BH case seems very convinient though. (this game)
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On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote: I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.
My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum. This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum.
That was from Looney, where he was town. Go look through the rest of his filter. It feels pretty similar to what he's said/done so far this game.
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EBWOP: Meant to include this post as well -
On October 13 2012 22:51 sandroba wrote: What is even there to talk about? Over the time I've been playing mafia I grew more and more away from hard analysis and began to use apparent integrity and sincerity of people's post as a way to tell scum and town appart. That means that the way I do it is completely subjective to what I consider to be a post (from the particular person I'm looking at) to be honest. Of course the method is not flawless and is completely dependant on my ability to make that judgement, but it served me right in the past and I see no reason to change it. From that place you can see clearly that any explanation I provide you with for my reasoning wouldn't apply to everyone and is not verifyable. What you can do is check for the same things I do. The motives and truthfulness behind my posts and see if you think I'm trying to put on a show or I'm speaking my mind without the fear of consequence. If you can make that distinction then you will have a good idea of my alignment. The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks.
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@DYH:
I'm going to sleep, but I'll think about Lazer some more while I sleep. Some of his posts I just don't see coming from scum, but his interactions with VE leave me with some doubt.
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@BH:
Care to comment on Lazer or Zealos?
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