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On December 02 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:15 austinmcc wrote:Things that we know: Things that we don't know: We'll find out, but it's not guaranteed yet. Especially given that, approaching deadline, he gave out his reads in one post and then claimed vigi LATER in a separate post. The ordering and the timing on those posts doesn't make me smile. DYH is definitely not above suspicion. I just don't lynch claimed blues D1. But the way he claimed was probably... the worst possible way to claim and the least useful for town.
you don't lynch claimed blues on d1 out of policy because you're bad.
Imagine every scum claimed some sort of blue d1, you're guaranteed to kill a townie day 1.
This type of logic is just absurd.
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On December 02 2012 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:On December 02 2012 08:15 austinmcc wrote:Things that we know: Things that we don't know: We'll find out, but it's not guaranteed yet. Especially given that, approaching deadline, he gave out his reads in one post and then claimed vigi LATER in a separate post. The ordering and the timing on those posts doesn't make me smile. DYH is definitely not above suspicion. I just don't lynch claimed blues D1. But the way he claimed was probably... the worst possible way to claim and the least useful for town. you don't lynch claimed blues on d1 out of policy because you're bad. Imagine every scum claimed some sort of blue d1, you're guaranteed to kill a townie day 1. This type of logic is just absurd. If every scum claimed blue D1 we'd win super easily...
till the townies start claiming blue.
you don't know what you're talking about. Also, my post was an extreme. Imagine one scum claims blue. Then what?
He can just claim roleblock forever.
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holy fucking shit someone needs to shoot BH in the face
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w/e I'm gonna go eat.
Scoreboard:
Me 1
Retard Train (aka everyone else) 0
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On December 02 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
w/e I'm gonna go eat.
Scoreboard:
Me 1
Retard Train (aka everyone else) 0 nuh uh, you're on the retard train coz you were voting for the cop. sorry buddy.
the guy who claimed cop d1 dares call someone else stupid?
well I guess it was a pretty smart move for you considering that you are scum and everyone else is too stupid to realize how much of a scummy move that was.
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On December 02 2012 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) Blazinghand why is it okay for Marvelosity to call people retarded but not Bug?
2) Blazinghand, why was marv fake-claiming scum when votes were on him, but "gets a check tonight" now that he's not lynched?
3) Bugs and Ace, I'm intrigued by your ideas and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I like you, bearded man.
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On December 02 2012 08:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
w/e I'm gonna go eat.
Scoreboard:
Me 1
Retard Train (aka everyone else) 0 nuh uh, you're on the retard train coz you were voting for the cop. sorry buddy. the guy who claimed cop d1 dares call someone else stupid? well I guess it was a pretty smart move for you considering that you are scum and everyone else is too stupid to realize how much of a scummy move that was. yes, because it's even stupider that you were still voting for me, twinkletoes. stop being a baddie and assess the game properly.
you think claiming cop day 1 as town is a good move?
If so, then stop fucking calling me a baddie.
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On December 02 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
w/e I'm gonna go eat.
Scoreboard:
Me 1
Retard Train (aka everyone else) 0 nuh uh, you're on the retard train coz you were voting for the cop. sorry buddy. the guy who claimed cop d1 dares call someone else stupid? well I guess it was a pretty smart move for you considering that you are scum and everyone else is too stupid to realize how much of a scummy move that was. yes, because it's even stupider that you were still voting for me, twinkletoes. stop being a baddie and assess the game properly. you think claiming cop day 1 as town is a good move? If so, then stop fucking calling me a baddie. yes, i think claiming cop is a good idea when the votes were rushing on to me, and everyone was refusing to give any reasons. The votes should not be on me and they should be on finding scum. How am I supposed to argue against everyone's non-existent cases? "marv is playing weird" "marv is likelier scum than x" "marv is something else that doesn't at all describe why i'm scum in any way"
and yet you caused the bandwagon on DP for exactly the same reasons.
What have we concluded here? Oh, right, that people in mafia games bandwagon for stupid reasons.
Doesn't change the fact that you're scum, though!
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On December 02 2012 08:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
w/e I'm gonna go eat.
Scoreboard:
Me 1
Retard Train (aka everyone else) 0 nuh uh, you're on the retard train coz you were voting for the cop. sorry buddy. the guy who claimed cop d1 dares call someone else stupid? well I guess it was a pretty smart move for you considering that you are scum and everyone else is too stupid to realize how much of a scummy move that was. yes, because it's even stupider that you were still voting for me, twinkletoes. stop being a baddie and assess the game properly. you think claiming cop day 1 as town is a good move? If so, then stop fucking calling me a baddie. yes, i think claiming cop is a good idea when the votes were rushing on to me, and everyone was refusing to give any reasons. The votes should not be on me and they should be on finding scum. How am I supposed to argue against everyone's non-existent cases? "marv is playing weird" "marv is likelier scum than x" "marv is something else that doesn't at all describe why i'm scum in any way" and yet you caused the bandwagon on DP for exactly the same reasons.What have we concluded here? Oh, right, that people in mafia games bandwagon for stupid reasons. Doesn't change the fact that you're scum, though! now who's misrepresenting the thread? stop it.
Keep talking, you give me more ammo every time you do.
You complain that no one had "adequate reason" to vote you, yet you simply throw around unsubstantiated shit like "you're misrepresenting the thread".
The simple fact is, there exists documented evidence that I was right about DP and that you were full of hot air. If you are town you need to realize this. The fact that you refuse to realize it either means you're just a stubborn townie who's playing badly (certainly possible) or, my hypothesis, that you're pressured scum.
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On December 02 2012 08:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:45 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
w/e I'm gonna go eat.
Scoreboard:
Me 1
Retard Train (aka everyone else) 0 nuh uh, you're on the retard train coz you were voting for the cop. sorry buddy. the guy who claimed cop d1 dares call someone else stupid? well I guess it was a pretty smart move for you considering that you are scum and everyone else is too stupid to realize how much of a scummy move that was. yes, because it's even stupider that you were still voting for me, twinkletoes. stop being a baddie and assess the game properly. you think claiming cop day 1 as town is a good move? If so, then stop fucking calling me a baddie. yes, i think claiming cop is a good idea when the votes were rushing on to me, and everyone was refusing to give any reasons. The votes should not be on me and they should be on finding scum. How am I supposed to argue against everyone's non-existent cases? "marv is playing weird" "marv is likelier scum than x" "marv is something else that doesn't at all describe why i'm scum in any way" and yet you caused the bandwagon on DP for exactly the same reasons.What have we concluded here? Oh, right, that people in mafia games bandwagon for stupid reasons. Doesn't change the fact that you're scum, though! now who's misrepresenting the thread? stop it. Keep talking, you give me more ammo every time you do. You complain that no one had "adequate reason" to vote you, yet you simply throw around unsubstantiated shit like "you're misrepresenting the thread". The simple fact is, there exists documented evidence that I was right about DP and that you were full of hot air. If you are town you need to realize this. The fact that you refuse to realize it either means you're just a stubborn townie who's playing badly (certainly possible) or, my hypothesis, that you're pressured scum. you're arguing separate things. obviously i was wrong about DP, what's to argue with? you are misrepresenting the thread, do you want me to go and paste the reasons i was voting for DP? what am I 'not realising'? what you are 'not realising' is that I am town, who got backed into a corner, whether it's Zentor's "being weird", BH's non-reason, or Ace's non-reason (i literally can't remember the reasons half the people voted for me). Personally if i'm blue and getting lynched i'm gonna claim. If I'd got lynched and I'd flipped cop, everyone would be shouting "y u no claim marvelbabes?!?"?"?!?!"
You argue that people were giving shitty reasons to vote you. I argue that you used even shittier reasons to vote DP. For the record, when I asked you for concrete examples of how DP's play fit his scum meta, you told me to, I quote, "fuck off". What you are not realising if you are town is that you are being incredibly dense. The fact that people use shitty reasons to BANDWAGON is nothing new. People bandwagon scum or town targets more or less the same (although unfortunately it's more often that they kill a townie day 1). I tried to get people off DP because, as I said, your argument was weak as fuck. You chose not to clarify it, either because you didn't have evidence that DP was following his scum meta (my opinion) or that you're just stubborn as hell.
Secondly, why would it matter if you were backed into a corner? As town why would you refuse to provide evidence for DP following his scum meta? As town why would you complain about people using shitty reasons to vote others while doing it yourself? Let me reiterate: As town why would you tell someone to fuck off when they ask you why you think your target is scum?
Townies don't do that-if they have a target and they truly believe that the person is scum for X reason, they will explain X reason. You didn't explain it, you told me to fuck off.
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On December 02 2012 08:55 marvellosity wrote:
because you were being a douche. so i shouted at you. you were phrasing your questions unnecessarily aggressively at me, and you should know i bite back at that sort of thing. read your own filter...
i did provide reasons and quotes when debears asked me. And I thought it was correct. Obviously not.
man I asked you to come up with ONE example in context of how DP's meta fit him in this game. I argued that I came to the opposite conclusion and I was fairly loud about it to prevent him from getting bandwagoned.
Yet, you chose to tell me to fuck off. No shit I got aggressive when the guy pushing the biggest bandwagon in the thread refuses to answer any questions about his reasoning.
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On December 02 2012 09:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 08:55 marvellosity wrote:
because you were being a douche. so i shouted at you. you were phrasing your questions unnecessarily aggressively at me, and you should know i bite back at that sort of thing. read your own filter...
i did provide reasons and quotes when debears asked me. And I thought it was correct. Obviously not. man I asked you to come up with ONE example in context of how DP's meta fit him in this game. I argued that I came to the opposite conclusion and I was fairly loud about it to prevent him from getting bandwagoned. Yet, you chose to tell me to fuck off. No shit I got aggressive when the guy pushing the biggest bandwagon in the thread refuses to answer any questions about his reasoning. You should know I lash out if I'm being annoyed. Hell, you even do the same when it's not warranted too, don't deny it. Do you really think me, marvellosity, is scum because I told you to fuck off? I got heated and pissed in your face. Should I? no. Did I? yes. It doesn't make me scum. If you're town you need to get off this tunneltrain or at least understand how I'm prone to playing the game. Do you see where I'm coming from??
I get annoyed but at the very least I answer the question being asked when I'm town. Note, when I'm town. When I'm scum I generally do whatever the hell I want and rarely does that involve answering questions about my lynch targets.
What makes you scum is not the fact that you got pissed off but rather the fact that you call out everyone for "shitty reasoning" yet your own lynch target was seemingly arbitrarily picked. You come up with a bunch of meaningless fluff that was refutable just by reading DP's filter and two of his past games. In fact that was one of the first things I did. You know what I noticed? That you were wrong. So, when I tell you that you are wrong (despite the burden of proof for the DP case being on YOU) you get overly defensive and refuse to answer questions about the reasoning.
Townies don't refuse to answer reasoning about cases they make when they're told they're wrong. They defend their cases and they give reasons why other people are wrong. You didn't do any of that when I called you out on your fabrications.
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whatever, this is fruitless and marv might just be that bad.
So, let's kill BH then. Hopefully someone shoots him tonight.
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On December 02 2012 09:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
whatever, this is fruitless and marv might just be that bad.
So, let's kill BH then. Hopefully someone shoots him tonight. Seriously, please go into a little more detail about why you want BH to get deaded.
I've mentioned this before, but:
Go back and look at how BH switches his votes and how he reasons them. Look at how he attacks DP.
Firstly, one could argue that voteswitching doesn't really tell us anything about how BH is scum or not. Sure, one could argue that, but then consider that BH doesn't do any work in pushing his targets either. He switches really often, usually with no attached reason, and he's so erratic that no one really knows what he's going to do or why he's going to do it.
As town I feel like BH usually at least gives reasons for attacking people. It looks as if he feigned contribution on DP/Zentor, and stuff like this:
On December 02 2012 07:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow all these people agreeing with me to lynch DP and I'm the only one with a good reason. Don't look gift horses in the mouth I guess
suggests that he's more concerned with his appearance than actually finding scum.
What's especially weird is his vote switches between DP and DYH. These are just done for no reason at all and he never states why his suspicion of either changes as he does it.
Lastly, I haven't heard anyone yet say that they find BH to be townie. Notice how people consistently call him scum (even marv did) and no one really considers him town, but there's always a different target with the attention on them.
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I also think we should be pressuring these players:
MrZentor
Zealos
Dandel Ion
Shiaopi
since they essentially got away with either abstaining or not doing anything all day 1.
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you're right, you did more than I gave you credit for.
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On December 02 2012 09:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Go back and look at how BH switches his votes and how he reasons them. Look at how he attacks DP. I made by far the best case against DP, a solid (though as it turns out, ultimately incorrect) meta case. I sat down and did the homework on it. I'm gonna admit the reasoning on the MrZ vote was bad, but if your critique of my play is "BH swaps around a lot" then yeah okay I swap around a lot, but that's just how I roll. Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Firstly, one could argue that voteswitching doesn't really tell us anything about how BH is scum or not. Sure, one could argue that, but then consider that BH doesn't do any work in pushing his targets either. He switches really often, usually with no attached reason, and he's so erratic that no one really knows what he's going to do or why he's going to do it.
ALWAYS with an attached reason, usually because unlike you I actually try to interact with people in this thread and listen to what they have to say. I don't think people here are retarded. I don't like getting talked out of things, but if someone genuinely convinces me that a read is wrong, then yes I will unvote and vote someone else because my goal is to lynch scum. Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
As town I feel like BH usually at least gives reasons for attacking people. It looks as if he feigned contribution on DP/Zentor,
Zentor was a mistake, but I DID put in lots of work on both him and DP. just because I use links instead of quotes to make my meta cases more legible doesn't mean they're bad. Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:and stuff like this: On December 02 2012 07:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow all these people agreeing with me to lynch DP and I'm the only one with a good reason. Don't look gift horses in the mouth I guess suggests that he's more concerned with his appearance than actually finding scum. What? It suggests that I'm dubious of people on my wagon but I'm still confident in my read. Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
What's especially weird is his vote switches between DP and DYH. These are just done for no reason at all and he never states why his suspicion of either changes as he does it.
Lastly, I haven't heard anyone yet say that they find BH to be townie. Notice how people consistently call him scum (even marv did) and no one really considers him town, but there's always a different target with the attention on them. I trust MrZ's read and I thought it was reasonable. I still think it's reasonable and DYH is scummy, and I swapped back to DP because I don't lynch blues D1.
the "best case" on DP was still garbage, and despite the fact that I pointed that out repeatedly you managed (along with derpellosity over here) to still tunnel him to death.
So, BH, if you are town, who is scum then?
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On December 02 2012 09:56 marvellosity wrote:
sorry bugs, I forgot you never lynched townies Day 1.
it's pretty rare for me to be correct on day 1 but I almost always oppose the obvious lynches that happen against townies on d1.
Usually it's because the most successful wagons on day 1 are almost always the worst ones.
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also I find it ironic that you are trying to discredit me now when you tried to use past results to justify that your trash case on DP.
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BH you tunneled him for being scum despite finding similarities in DP's play to his town game. Keirathi's point stands.
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