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On November 30 2012 10:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
@debears: Did you give Xatalos your CONFIDENCE speech?
Nah bro never talked to the guy before
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On November 30 2012 10:41 marvellosity wrote:debears, you so silly 
So silly, yet so good at the same time
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On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either.
DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument.
Any given sunday brah
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On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation.
That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case
1) makes sense
2) is good
3) I believe they are town
If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation
##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas
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On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears
Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff?
Or do you really think I could be scum?
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On November 30 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff? Or do you really think I could be scum? I read your other posts. mostly meh. That post was scummy though.
Care to tell me why they are mostly meh?
specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote
I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it
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@Austin
Dandel discrediting himself does make sense from a scum perspective. It can make others say "oh he's a noob I shouldn't put too much weight into what he says".
It makes zero sense from a town perspective
Also, on DoYouHas
I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts?
Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also?
Why is he scared of Ace this early?
That's my reasoning
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On November 30 2012 11:03 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:54 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff? Or do you really think I could be scum? I read your other posts. mostly meh. That post was scummy though. Care to tell me why they are mostly meh? specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it Ah, but if you're scum, you'd put more thought and effort into those, meaning you're less likely to slip up and let your mentality shine through than in the less important ones. Also funny considering how you cast your own votes on relatively minor nit-picky things.
That isn't minor or nitpicky what you said. You went out of the way to say you're noob. That's scummy as shit
And the same for DoYouHas. Trying to raise suspicion on one of the possibly most helpful town players so early makes no sense. Scummy as shit
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On November 30 2012 11:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
Meh, maybe I shouldn't have said I'm a noob, but compared to 90% of the people in this game I am, no way around that.
I'll be sure to not talk about it any more and exude pure CONFIDENCE.
That's better 
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On November 30 2012 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:14 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 11:03 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 30 2012 10:54 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff? Or do you really think I could be scum? I read your other posts. mostly meh. That post was scummy though. Care to tell me why they are mostly meh? specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it Ah, but if you're scum, you'd put more thought and effort into those, meaning you're less likely to slip up and let your mentality shine through than in the less important ones. Also funny considering how you cast your own votes on relatively minor nit-picky things. That isn't minor or nitpicky what you said. You went out of the way to say you're noob. That's scummy as shit And the same for DoYouHas. Trying to raise suspicion on one of the possibly most helpful town players so early makes no sense. Scummy as shit Your reading to much into it IMO. It was the start of the game and I am pretty sure he was only being half serious.
Which one are you talking about here, Doyou or dandel?
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Hey guys I found a picture of Ace^^^^^^^^^^^^
Love how his name goes perfectly with top gun theme
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On November 30 2012 11:24 austinmcc wrote:
debears,
If both players you voted for are "scummy as shit," why move your vote?
I find Doyou's actions scummier. Duh
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^^^^^^
Why are you calling BH useless when you have done nothing?
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On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas So this particular bit of my intentions doesn't apply to you personally, congratulations. Have you honestly never been in a game where someone's opinion was given more weight simply because of their reputation? I have, and I hate it. I can't comprehend how you construe my somewhat subtle attempt at working against that as scummy. Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote:
Also, on DoYouHas
I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts?
Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also?
Why is he scared of Ace this early?
That's my reasoning I have no idea what you mean by "such suspicion". You act like I'm actively trying to get Ace lynched based purely on his potential scumplay. I'm not. I'm far more focused on Xatalos. Everyone has a higher probability of rolling town than scum. This is in no way relevant to me wanting the rest of the town to be cautious of giving Ace influence due to his reputation. I dislike arguing this point with you because currently Ace seems to have no interest in leading the town. You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on.
I wouldn't be suspicious of you if you were trying to get him lynched. I am suspicious of you for saying "hey we should be wary of this guy because his scum play can be good" for no reason at all in the beginning of the game.
You signed up for this game knowing that there are a lot of experienced players, yet you feel like you need to bring this up? And specifically only for Ace when others like BH, VE, and marv have been around a while?
So you came into the game beingnaturally more suspicious of Ace, yet you haven't scrutinized any of his posting so far?
What do you think of his lack of taking control of town?
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On December 01 2012 00:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm going to be gone until tomorrow because it's FRIDAY.
Good day, ppls
Gotta get down on Friday
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Hi lazer
Doth thou have more readeths besides shiaopie?
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On December 01 2012 01:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm.
Some of what he's posted has been rubbish. But he actively participated and generated rubbish, when something dumb led to people wanting to lynch him, he responded to that with more dumb stuff. Gut read on that is mildly townie, because he shows no desire to shape up after seeing that his play may get him some votes. He followed up on his CONFIDENCE question to debears. I have no idea what that speech is, but the fact that he followed up again shows me that he's participating and maybe not just for show. All in all, his play currently makes me want to skip his posts and not read them, but doesn't make me want to lynch him. Mild town read, but a lot of that is stemming from it being D1 so there isn't oodles to go on.
The confidence deal is in reference to one of my scum newbies where I preached confidence the whole game hahahahha
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On December 01 2012 02:03 austinmcc wrote:Alright Lazer, doyouhas/debears I personally find doyouhas's posts legible and pretty clear about what he's thinking. That said, his couple posts are mainly focused on debears/ace, and while his last post ends with Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote:
You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on. he doesn't actually "move on." At least not to anywhere we can see. Do you have (tee hee) an overall feel of doyouhas at the moment?
Moving on from doyouhas, how are you feeling about debears? I find his justifications for voting DoYouHas poor, and I disagree with his interpretation of DoYouHas's thoughts on Ace...pretty hard. That alone isn't scummy, but he's very focused in on this one topic, yet drops a top gun picture in the middle of his discussion, and never follows up after DoYouHas posts that he's moving on but never moves on. If DoYouHas saying he's moving on but not doing so sticks in my head as something interesting, I don't know why it's not doing the same for debears, especially as his vote is still on DYH. Overall, I'm lightly scummy on debears because of the DYH stuff. Disclaimer, I've only read debears posts in obs qts, and found him to be generally interested in the entirety of the game, what everyone was doing. Some of my read is him not...trying to figure out the game here in the same way I've seen him post in obs qts, but obs and in game are a bit different.
Ausin, answer this please
I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good.
Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping?
Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep
See where I'm going?
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^^^^
also, why didnt doyou mention marv's, bh's, ve's reputations as well, if he's gonna single out one person?
Especially marv, who has been playing alot and dominating lately
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On December 01 2012 02:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:06 debears wrote:
I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good.
Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping?
Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep
See where I'm going?
Where did he say this? He said he was paranoid of Ace's scum abilities.
He said he mentioned it cuz he doesn't want ppl sheeping ace b/c of ace's rep
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