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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 08 2012 17:58 GMT
#2001
imo a single Roleblocker for scum, and the setup is fine.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 08 2012 17:58 GMT
#2002
Read through ScumQT and ObsQT. It's always equally hilarious to see the other perspectives to how the game played out I have to agree, though, Mafia seemed a bit unfavored in this setup (although it would have been balanced quite nicely if DYH hadn't shot correctly, so I guess it's okay, considering it's always hard for Mafia if Vigi shoots correctly). I can kind of relate to Sandroba for giving up, but I think it was pretty lame for the overall enjoyment. The last day was fun nonetheless (thanks austinmcc for providing such a townie atmosphere!) and the whole game had lots of exciting moments. I'm also glad I got my first town victory
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 08 2012 18:15 GMT
#2003
I didn't give up, I went out. I can imagine I would play it out pretty simillar if I were town. I don't think 1 roleblocker would solve scum problems. DT+Watcher in such a small setup is incredibly hard to deal with and 4 masons is too much for 15 players. Town just needed less and weaker roles. Maybe parity cop, tracker, 2 masons and 1 vigi would be fair against 4 scum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 08 2012 18:30 GMT
#2004
A lot of the town play in this game was super frustrating.

austin: Never do that shit again, please. You lynched a blue claim over a RED CHECK. I can't for the life of me understand that.

BH: I dunno wtf you've been doing the last 2 games, but I really don't want to play with you anymore. Making a case against your own mason partner? Inexcusably bad. So bad that I even went all conspiracy theory on you because it was hard to believe you could be that dumb.


Hmm, maybe I just need to take a break from TL for a while.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 08 2012 18:50 GMT
#2005
Well, I definitely had my share of bad play this game. But at least I shot well and my most certain scumread was actually scum.

gg
Guts? Determination? $5?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 08 2012 19:09 GMT
#2006
On December 09 2012 03:50 DoYouHas wrote:
Well, I definitely had my share of bad play this game. But at least I shot well and my most certain scumread was actually scum.

gg


Good job on shooting VE! And you were right about LM, yeah. Not about me though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 19:15:18
December 08 2012 19:13 GMT
#2007
I just couldn't let go of my suspicion of you. Even after acknowledging that I was tunneling day1 hard. I also (as marv points out in the obsqt) made an early assumption on lazer and Shiao that was false, and kept me from making accurate associations.

E: If I had realized early the scum's willingness to bus Shiaopi it would have made my case against Lazer all the more believable and would have made me less blind to Sandro.
Guts? Determination? $5?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 19:30:07
December 08 2012 19:28 GMT
#2008
Too many bad players and nonsense going on in this setup. Thanks for hosting guys, but the first few days was just too much impossible bs to wade through.

Marv I had more faith in you than what you showed here. Even you have to realize your claim was fucked up. When I was going to unvote you and you still kept being antagonistic I figured you didn't want to live.

ETA: I really wish people would stop bussing their scum partners just because they can. One of the dumbest things you can do in Mafia game.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 08 2012 21:22 GMT
#2009
Just got back in. gg all.

I seem to have been more than a bit jubby this game. For that, I apologize. It'll probably happen again. I'm glad at least that we could turn things around and work things out. <3 all for believing me.

I can see ways in which, had things played out differently, we would have had some paranoia or some bad calls - vigi shot on a townie, especially on a miller mason, would have been interesting. The miller masons as a whole could just throw a wrench into things, especially when a miller flip's PM says his partner is town, and his town partner's PM says the miller was town.
Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 08 2012 21:31 GMT
#2010
On December 09 2012 06:22 austinmcc wrote:
Just got back in. gg all.

I seem to have been more than a bit jubby this game. For that, I apologize. It'll probably happen again. I'm glad at least that we could turn things around and work things out. <3 all for believing me.

I can see ways in which, had things played out differently, we would have had some paranoia or some bad calls - vigi shot on a townie, especially on a miller mason, would have been interesting. The miller masons as a whole could just throw a wrench into things, especially when a miller flip's PM says his partner is town, and his town partner's PM says the miller was town.

Err wat. Miller doesn't flip scum, it just returns scum to checks.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 08 2012 21:34 GMT
#2011
On December 09 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote:
BH: I dunno wtf you've been doing the last 2 games, but I really don't want to play with you anymore. Making a case against your own mason partner? Inexcusably bad. So bad that I even went all conspiracy theory on you because it was hard to believe you could be that dumb.


Dude I forgot for like 30 minutes who I mason partner was. It happens, okay? You can call me inexcusably bad but 1) I saved the vigilante 2) I severely out-argued your tunnelling ass so town lynched WBG instead of me or MrZ and 3) I caught the hell out of Shiaopi (though he was obvious). I didn't play great this game but shit man you had so much tunnel vision and you and your mason partner played in such a way that WBG got lynched.

Last game yeah I got off to a bad start but shit man my gf's grandmother died and I was busy. Once she was out of the country I won the hell out of that game.

So yeah honestly I dunno why you're so mad about this. Mistakes get made but I played to win, and I didn't get overcome by tunnel vision. If you and WBG had actually played like townies maybe we might have avoided a mislynch.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 08 2012 21:40 GMT
#2012
Also thanks for a great game! I think a change to this setup that would have been interesting is that one of the 4 masons is scum and the mason role PMs say "you don't know the alignment of your partner" which might balance out the claim situation a bit. Maybe also add a gf or a miller since DT is strong.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 08 2012 21:43 GMT
#2013
On December 09 2012 06:34 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote:
BH: I dunno wtf you've been doing the last 2 games, but I really don't want to play with you anymore. Making a case against your own mason partner? Inexcusably bad. So bad that I even went all conspiracy theory on you because it was hard to believe you could be that dumb.


Dude I forgot for like 30 minutes who I mason partner was. It happens, okay? You can call me inexcusably bad but 1) I saved the vigilante 2) I severely out-argued your tunnelling ass so town lynched WBG instead of me or MrZ and 3) I caught the hell out of Shiaopi (though he was obvious). I didn't play great this game but shit man you had so much tunnel vision and you and your mason partner played in such a way that WBG got lynched.

Last game yeah I got off to a bad start but shit man my gf's grandmother died and I was busy. Once she was out of the country I won the hell out of that game.

So yeah honestly I dunno why you're so mad about this. Mistakes get made but I played to win, and I didn't get overcome by tunnel vision. If you and WBG had actually played like townies maybe we might have avoided a mislynch.

It happens? No, it really doesn't. Never have I seen ANYTHING that dumb.

And I didn't fucking tunnel you incessantly. I made a case on you and pushed it for TEN HOURS out of the ~65 hours between when I replaced in and when I claimed mason.

And YOU caught ShiaoPi? Lol, you're delusional.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 08 2012 21:47 GMT
#2014
Well it happens to me sometimes. I made a mistake! I'm not usually a mason. I am bad at mason play for the same reason I'm bad at scum play: I'm a lone wolf. A wolf-pack one one. Rawr.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 08 2012 21:48 GMT
#2015
You and Keir were both millers.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 08 2012 21:50 GMT
#2016
Oh snap, crazy town. That's pretty solid. The only reason I thought of the whole "unconfirmed mason pairs, one mason is a scum" thing is it's just the kind of thing to make you.... paranoid
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 08 2012 22:04 GMT
#2017
Heroic shot DYH. Armed.with flip info I was about to look real town.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#2018
On December 09 2012 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Heroic shot DYH. Armed.with flip info I was about to look real town.

^

sexy N1 shot.
Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 08 2012 22:20 GMT
#2019
the sexiest
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 08 2012 22:46 GMT
#2020
BH I don't understand how you can defend your play. That was some of the worst town play I've ever seen on TL. Even I've done some stupid shit but nothing quite as stupid as forgetting who my own fucking mason partner is.

The fact that you take credit for ShiaoPi is even funnier. I was pushing him since day 1 and the only thing keeping me from pouncing on that like a rabid wolf was the rest of town being too stupid to realize I wasn't scum.

This setup was far too town favored. Given how bad the play was (plus the modkill) the game should ordinarily have been a mafia win @ day 3.
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