Chrono Trigger Mafia

On November 19 2012 10:24 Promethelax wrote:
I'm as in as in can be and I'm glad to see that incontrol isn't the only other guy playing.

/in

On November 19 2012 10:28 Promethelax wrote:


in a good way?

On November 19 2012 10:36 Promethelax wrote:


ah, a good way. I'm glad.

After I died in acme I had a dream where Marv kicked me in the knee and ran away screaming Juuuuuuuuuubjuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuub. Mafia is taking over my brain.

On November 21 2012 13:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
@iamp
I do not doubt your ability to look townie/scummie.
I really really doubt your ability to make townreads.

On November 21 2012 13:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Of course town can type in this thread...
Party Leader has the final call though.. If he sheeps off another persons 'vote' without proper reasoning, he really doesnt look like town

On November 21 2012 13:13 Z-BosoN wrote:


That was my original train of thought. But should the decision become the leader's, that puts a TON of pressure on him (if he is very transparent in his thoughts), and helps consolidate our read on said leader.

On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote:
Okay. I'm pretty much caught up. I'd like to address several things. First:



Yes. I had much better games after that. I hope there's no hard feelings for that particular game, as I played scum about as terribly as I possibly could clamming up when really saying just about anything would have prevented my early lynch. My other two games:

In NMM XXIV: The hero that saved the town from a 5-3 MYLO to win the game.
In LVII: Mafia suicide bomber. Could have played better but mafia got the win anyway.
Rockband mini: I replaced out day one as scum. Never actually checked to see how it ended.


Who I would nominate (if not myself):

As of right now, my support for a party leader (besides myself) would be sandroba.

Sandroba seems to be adopting a solid strategy at present. I wholeheartedly agree with going with the most townie individuals, even if they are inexperienced. We don't know how the minigames are going to work yet, but we do know with 100% certainty that scum will count against their success. In a game where we don't lynch, all we can do is establish who is actually town. It is absolutely ridiculous to nominate people who have both strong scum and town games and are hard to read day one (thinking of Marv).

I also completely agree with the suggestion that's been brought up that parties be suggested by those who are hoping to be nominated up-front. This is especially important if we are to nominate a townie who isn't as experienced.


Goodkarma for President:

As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time.

On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamp

Welcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.

On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:

What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o

On November 21 2012 13:27 Dienosore wrote:
I'm friendly and wise, so really there is no reason NOT to vote for me :D

On November 21 2012 13:30 Dienosore wrote:
so much hostility, iamp

perhaps you feel threatened that your scummy play for power is being challenged by a random nobody?

On November 21 2012 13:34 Clarity_nl wrote:


Because if we all have your attitude nothing would get done.

On November 21 2012 13:35 Clarity_nl wrote:


If you're new you don't do that, no. But do we know he's not a smurf?

On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too).

Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to
-identify town
-vote town to lead the party
-Profit
-Kill Mafia/Lavos
-More Profit

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What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD.

I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party.

Come play the setup speculation game with me please!

On November 21 2012 13:38 Dienosore wrote:


^^

I will bring cookies, naturally

On November 21 2012 13:39 Hopeless1der wrote:

Do you find that scummy, or stupid?

On November 21 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:

Quit asking for people to read you and play naturally.

You did that shit in GSL 3, where you specifically asked me to give a read of you since I am very good at picking up when you are town or not.

Just don't.

On November 21 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:

Quit asking for people to read you and play naturally.

You did that shit in GSL 3, where you specifically asked me to give a read of you since I am very good at picking up when you are town or not.

Just don't.

On November 21 2012 13:54 TheChronicler wrote:


I think you're reading that wrong.

Think marv is town = will vote
Thinks marv is scum = will not vote
Unsure of marv = will not vote

You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all.

Following quote sums it up.



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Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game?

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How about we don't speculate on setup. What is speculating going to do? It's just an opportunity for scum to mislead us when they shouldn't have that opportunity.

On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:


It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go.

On November 21 2012 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY I THINK CLARITY IS SCUM
He justs posts 1-line comments throughout the whole chronicler incident.. the activity makes people think he is town but he doesnt actually take a stand, just criticized chronicler.


Agrees with Hapa, and basically repeats what he and everyone else before said to sound like he is contributing.


Then with the Dienosore stuff, he again posts 1 liner’s criticizing deinosore..


The last post with the Diensore actually being stupid, Clarity is asking for advice from town, no willing to take a stand on his own.


Keeps tunneling Diensore, an obvious target long after people stopped caring.

Tunneling Djo on a minor issue about his assumptions.





THIS IS WHY I THINK THAT CLARITY IS SCUM

On November 21 2012 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont like using meta reads because it could be inaccurate.. It also rely's a lot on experience of the game which I dont have.

On November 21 2012 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote:

You know when you say things like this, it really makes it hard for me to think that you are town...
You repeated what sandro said earlier without giving any reason on why Dieno and me are town...

On November 21 2012 23:54 goodkarma wrote:


Clarity has not been very helpful to town thus far, if that's what you were getting at in your case.

In a standard game, it would certainly be a bit disconcerting that he has picked easy targets and "safe" conversation points for discussion, but at present I would say this covers the majority of people. In fact, your case ironically is only the third scum case of the game...

In this particular game it would seem that people are putting more time presently into determining who their leader should be than determining who's scum. Whether this is right or wrong is a fair point of debate, but as it currently stands Clarity does not stand out to me as scum. I definitely don't like his play to date, but I consider him presently a null read.

On November 22 2012 00:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Holy fuck this thread is so long and 99% of it is about who are we voting leader, which I really don't care about.
Not much thought put into this decision but
##vote sandroba
Good town, easy to distinguish town from scum.

On November 22 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:


agreed, it's why i didn't link it

On November 22 2012 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote:

What.
How come you got a read of kush after like 4 posts but have a null read on Clarity with a 3 page filter?

On November 22 2012 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote:


Also Im thinking that this seems like fishing for information...
Clarity stop giving me reasons to think that you are scum.
Yes confirmation bias, I would like marv/anyone to comment?

On November 21 2012 23:35 syllogism wrote:
Sandroba why do you think Clarity "smells funny"?

On November 22 2012 00:27 syllogism wrote:
Can someone link me a game where kush is mafia, thanks

On November 22 2012 00:37 syllogism wrote:

You usually have a million page filter when you are town, I've a hard time believing you find the size taunting. What do you care about then and what are you going to about it? Why do you say sandroba's town play is easy to distinguish from his mafia play, my impression from looney lynching was that you had no idea whether he was town or mafia on day 1 (he got shot n1)?

On November 22 2012 01:00 syllogism wrote:
Max hp in Chrono trigger the game is 999, that's likely all there is to that. Nothing worth pursuing

On November 22 2012 01:18 kushm4sta wrote:

I'm here to hunt scum and win.

The theme is fine but I think it's a mistake to play into it too much.
Do people honestly think we lose if we don't pick town as our leaders?
I don't.
Kush's Plan Everyone Should Follow
First night it doesn't matter who we pick since we don't know the nature of the event.
Nights after, we pick the scummiest or towniest depending on what the first event is like.
In between we do normal scumhunting and ignore the theme.

On November 22 2012 02:01 CaveJohnson wrote:




At least do the simple research on the game...

Anyway I dislike the dinosaur guy his early posts were all fluff his election campaign is a bigger joke than his reads (Intending to completely waste his vote) and he used the newbie excuse which is generally enough excuse to shoot someone.

On November 22 2012 05:25 syllogism wrote:
kush4masta you stealth voted sandroba, which isn't a big deal as you already voted in the thread, but it indicates that you have been around and yet haven't addressed my questions. Usually it's hard to keep you from posting, but in this game you haven't even begun playing? Why is that?

On November 22 2012 04:11 strongandbig wrote:



ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

yeah

I can assert this too, doesn't make it true

or useful

On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:

If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss.

On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:

So why do you think I said that, then?

On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote:

Not specifically, but yes.

On November 22 2012 05:47 Acrofales wrote:

Don't ask me. I think you're scum. You have been completely useless all game and if other people's assessments of your meta are any good, then your town meta is to be constructive rather than yell at the top of your lungs that you're town.

My only experience with you was in Caller's failed game, where you were a veteran vampire cult, so I won't go on my own experience playing with you.

On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote:

I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier.

On November 22 2012 05:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
I, for one, would like Cave to get out of himself and answer my questions.

On November 22 2012 05:59 Acrofales wrote:


You are wanting me to quote the absense of useful posts by you? How am I supposed to do that? If you want examples of you yelling at the top of your lungs that you're town, here's a brief compilation:
[spoiler="IAMTOWN!!!1111"]

Not only am I town, but everybody can see that I'm town from my meta!!! Not seeing it yet...


Call me town, pretty please?


Dude, I'm town AND awesome!


I am town and I can write it in BIG BLACK BOLD LETTERS!!!111

Please Marv, please call me town?

Given that the rest of your filter is almost all meaningless banter, I fail to see how anybody could get a town read from this if your normal town meta is to be constructive. So don't you "ask anybody in the thread" on me as if you are confirmed town. You're not, shape up and stop looking scummy.

On November 22 2012 06:32 kushm4sta wrote:
I didn't stealth vote, really. It's just that I forgot to use the voting thread before.
And yeah I am here lurking. I'm trying to keep up with the thread. It's hard.

Why aren't I posting that much?
Well I'm kind of lost. i haven't been reading super closely and this is my first game that's themed so heavily.

Any other questions? I love answering questions.

On November 22 2012 06:41 kushm4sta wrote:


I JUST answered that question. I don't know how I can answer it better.

On November 22 2012 06:45 BioSC wrote:
@Clarity

I give my thoughts on what we are doing (Electing a party leader, something we need TOWN reads for), and I give my reads on whom I believe are town right now. Are they based on little info? Yes. Can they change with newer/better info? Yes, but since I agree with what they've said so far, I haven't had a reason to color them red right now.

As for the quirp about not scumhunting while scumhunting, that's not what I said. I said, while the focus is on electing a mayor, we should at least try to elect a town. As I believe winning events is crucial to winning the game (almost as much as a lynch, since it is in place of one afaik.) Electing people I believe to be town and having them bring people I also believe to be town makes for a high chance of success. What's not to get?

On November 22 2012 13:28 kitaman27 wrote:
My proposed party:

Myself - You guys still have more than two options for leader

Acrofales - Acro has been quite opinionated and appears to care about the outcome of the event. I like that he tries to open the game with a plan (even if his choices were premature) and he is attempting to direct discussion.

Dienosore - I'd take a Frog over a Toad by my side any day. Ignoring the first few trollish posts, I find his posts sincere. Something that caught my attention was your instance that you be the party leader, which leads me to worry that your insistence to be elected may be role related. Would you be content as a member of the party, rather than the leader?

Promethelax - Maybe the weakest preference of the four, but I'm usually pretty trusting of a player that is trying to come up with a way to use the setup to benefit the town. Even though I disagree with the idea, I like the effort. Of his remaining posts, nothing has jumped out to me as something to worry about.



Of course these four selections are subject to change as the game goes on.

Do I really not have any votes?

On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote:
I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X

Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is:



The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark.

From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these:

- Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads.
- Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason.
- CaveJohnson coming up as scummy.
- Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson.

I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there.

Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark.

Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious.

What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means.


Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night.

On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so.

On November 23 2012 05:48 marvellosity wrote:
what matters? it matters that we know you're sending in your night actions?

On November 24 2012 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
@Iamp
Why are you asking Marv that? how does this help town in ANY WAY?
Isnt better to ask marv how he is important to town?

On November 24 2012 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
@Iamp
Why are you asking Marv that? how does this help town in ANY WAY?
Isnt better to ask marv how he is important to town?

On November 24 2012 00:25 marvellosity wrote:


I'm always important to town, dear. Your question has a bunch of hidden implications that I'd much rather you came straight out with

On November 24 2012 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm not sure. If I had to pick I'd lean Bio.

I still don't really buy Hapa's townread on GK though. I would like someone else who's played with GK to confirm he's playing to his town meta.

On November 24 2012 00:41 Clarity_nl wrote:


Can't say that I have, no. That's why I said "if I had to pick"

On November 24 2012 10:39 Dienosore wrote:
Also, who is this VE guy, and why do you all immediately start calling him by a nickname? Should I be concerned?

On November 24 2012 14:33 goodkarma wrote:



Association based scum read on two unflipped players? Even a scrub like me knows that's sloppy play... -_-

On November 24 2012 14:40 TheChronicler wrote:

1) anyone saying they have a strong read d1 is lying. I made a decision based on small things, yup.

On November 24 2012 14:49 TheChronicler wrote:

You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree.

On November 24 2012 14:49 TheChronicler wrote:

You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree.

On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote:


I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it.

Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ?

His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success.
His plan doesn't help us to find town players.
His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players.
The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information.

His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it.

On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote:


I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it.

Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ?

His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success.
His plan doesn't help us to find town players.
His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players.
The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information.

His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it.

On November 24 2012 15:02 goodkarma wrote:


There will be plenty of time to show off your e-peen post game.


Who is your top scum read right now, and why?

On November 25 2012 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
An option we have is to put the lynch on someone like cave, nuke, hopeless or thechronicler, switch back to sandroba if he shows up within the last hour, or nuke him tonight if the switch back is unsuccessful.

Are people willing to switch?

On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:

How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means.

On November 25 2012 02:30 Toadesstern wrote:


If that's how you feel you should probably vote me. Saves me a lot of trouble.

On November 25 2012 03:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Acro sweetie do me a favor and vote me or I'll do stupid things.

On November 25 2012 07:03 CaveJohnson wrote:

Don't give him ideas for an excuse...

On November 25 2012 07:07 CaveJohnson wrote:

That wasn't a command it was pointing out a silly post.

On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:


My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad?

On November 25 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv if something happens tonight other than you taking damage please do not share that fact, I might rely on it later.

On November 25 2012 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote:


I have to agree, we're way past the point of scumhunting, we can return to that tomorrow.
Right now people need to decide, Sandro or Toad

On November 25 2012 07:22 Djodref wrote:
Bowser Hapahauli random lynch in 5 minutes. Never forget.
Anything can happen ^^

On November 25 2012 07:24 Clarity_nl wrote:


Random as fuck.

As for the other thing, can't tell you.

On November 25 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:


When is later? I'd prefer not to.

On November 25 2012 17:39 syllogism wrote:
I read that, but does it unambiguously say that he used the same ability on me on n1 and n2

On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:


My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno.

On November 25 2012 18:04 Djodref wrote:


Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^

On November 26 2012 04:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
No, but it does reinforce the idea that characters from the corresponding era and their being main characters has a chance (however slim) of improving our party's chance at success beyond that of simply 'being town'.

On November 25 2012 16:38 Dienosore wrote:
Im not going to tell you how much dmg I took last night, sorry, djo.

That being said, here is the claimed dmg report so far:

+ Show Spoiler +

Also, here is a list of notable claims and developments:

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 26 2012 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im back.
My Current Party will be
Clarity
Dien
Marv
Me.

Any issues you guys want my opinion on?

On November 26 2012 10:37 Hapahauli wrote:


Yes, but the self-criticism is still really strange when compared to his past games. Like his activity this game is actually an improvement over other games I've seen him play in. In those other, less-active games, he's far less apologetic for his behavior. Even as a blue role (vigi in Mario Mini), he was pretty un-apologetic about his early-game lurkiness.

On November 21 2012 23:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'd just like to apologize for turning back into a lurker. I'm sure that's pissed some people off given that I'm pretty much confirmed town and doing nothing more to help.

I wholeheartedly would vouch for iamperfection being town this game. But he is the only player 'eligible' for lynch that I am that confident in. I'm going to re-read all of day1 in as much context as I can before the deadline and hopefully have some concrete reads on who is still alive.

On November 27 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:


yeah i don't agree

On November 27 2012 00:44 marvellosity wrote:


iamp, stop being petulant and if you're town do something useful with your ability.

On November 27 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:


Could you realize that I'm just waiting for you to contribute constructively as any townie should do ? That's all I'm waiting from you. Do that and block whoever you think it is in the best interest of town to block.
I offer you a chance to prove me that you are town

On November 27 2012 01:38 Acrofales wrote:
I decided I hate Prom and Iamperfection for hiding obvious crumbs to things that I don't understand.

On November 27 2012 01:35 Djodref wrote:


Who would you like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight ?
What do you think about Prom ?

On November 27 2012 07:37 Djodref wrote:
@iamp: I know you are lurking and reading this, I'll give you a pass for this time

I don't see any particular reason for me to be dead tomorrow morning so my "last will" is just going to be "blame marv if the event fail". Joking aside, I'm really expecting the event to succeed.

I've added two players in my shot possibilities, on top of VE and S&B. Players that I consider mafia players imo. Not telling who but I'll tell you tomorrow ^^

On November 27 2012 07:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo, dont do things just because you are emotional, think it through and shoot your TOP scumread, other than Toad.

On November 27 2012 10:10 Dienosore wrote:
Alright guys, I'm going to run for group leader again unless it's obviously clear I should vote for someone else. I was healed last night, so I'm not really that scared of dying anymore.

Here is my proposed group:

Oats/Syllo/Keirathi

Unless I missed something, we are still in 2300ad, so Robo(oats) will probably continue to be beneficial to the party. Syllo is a shoo-in based on his performances d1/d2. Keirathi has expressed his desire to be in the group so he may use his abilities and was cleared on d1 group.

Any objections? Suggestions?

On November 27 2012 10:19 TheChronicler wrote:


Why clarity over Keir, please read my posts on the matter.

On November 27 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote:

I want to vote Toad purely out of spite. No one is confirmed anything except for marv and kush.

Hey Toad, you still need a vote to prevent damage?

On November 27 2012 10:23 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if every cycle is one hop in time, this game is gonna take one helluva long time From here it's to 1000 AD, then 600 AD, 1000 AD again, then prehistory, quick stop in 1000 AD again, then back to 600 AD (where Dieno might get his sword), prehistory again, and that's only as far as I have gotten into Chrono Trigger so far.

Maybe we get lynches in 1000 AD?

On November 27 2012 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote:

No record of a heal. I took 75 damage. I think I was healed, but the amount doesn't match Toad's claim.

On November 27 2012 12:01 Hapahauli wrote:
EDIT: Gah posted Newbie game stuff in wrong thread. SOrries!

On November 27 2012 10:33 iamperfection wrote:
Actually answer this hopeless were you healed or not i don't see why you would say think.

On November 27 2012 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote:


Ehhhh. You're a hard one to figure out for me.

On November 27 2012 23:20 Clarity_nl wrote:


Info like what?

On November 27 2012 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:


I had a 1-shot HP check and used it on marv and cycle 1 he was 250. I healed him for 200 with a 1-shot cycle 2.
When I used the hp check I was not expecting everyone to claim damage taken but it makes sense in hindsight.

On November 27 2012 23:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
Someone edited?

On November 27 2012 23:28 Clarity_nl wrote:


Ah, that does make sense. But I didn't know about you healing marv so...

On November 27 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Does anyone want to counter-claim iamp healing me?

On November 27 2012 10:17 iamperfection wrote:
Oh clarity would be a great pick to i think for party. You feel up for it clarity? How you feel better?

On November 24 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
So i went through biosc games and i have noticed that he tends not be an activity fiend to begin with in really all of his games so i dont know what to think of him anymore. I want to hear more from him before i pass judgement. Also he has disappeared completely once before (with justification) so couple that with thanksgiving today i don't really make that big a deal of him disappearing.

@MarvI on scale of 1 to 10 How important are you to town (this is a seerious question deall with it)

On November 27 2012 23:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
I healed him this cycle and he didn't mention it.


What do you think of that?

On November 27 2012 23:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
I asked the host if you still get notified of your heal or not, waiting for a response.

I'm all out of heals now though, guys, so you're on your own TT

On November 27 2012 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
You mind telling me how much you healed me for?

On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:


I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2?

On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:


I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2?

On November 27 2012 23:52 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, the numbers are bothering me.

Someone said this may have come late, because the daypost came late. However, I really don't think that's the case. The number came half an hour after the post.




Time between the two: 10 hours, or if we need precise: 595 minutes.


Time between the two: 12 hours, or more precise: 719 minutes.


Time between the two: 14 hours, or more precise: 833 minutes.


Time between the two: 11 hours, or more precise: 674 minutes.

It is now coming up on 15 hours since the 6 was posted.

I see no sensible pattern here. Hassy's post implies that the timing was preordained, so not dependent on something happening in the thread. If this is either a puzzle, or something we will have to respond to, it is worthwhile figuring it out. I see no reason to post the numbers unless we are supposed to do something with them (although the "what" may only become apparent later).

My role gives no hints at all. Anybody else have a clue?

On November 28 2012 00:26 Hapahauli wrote:


Because I didn't receive notification of a heal >>

So either
a) You didn't heal me (but I don't know why you'd lie about that)
b) I took more than 100 damage

On November 28 2012 01:01 Acrofales wrote:
Anybody need to kill the Golem Overlord? Chronopedia mentions he has a countdown. That is the only one I can find.

Fuck it, lets try
##kill Golem Overlord

Note, I do not have this ability in my role pm and have no clue whether it'll work or not, but it's the only thing related to a countdown I can find. It is pure speculation.

On November 28 2012 01:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh 'doh sorry I keep mixing up my days.

I took 0 damage D1,
100 damage D2
50 damage D3

Forgot D1 existed for some reason >>

All I know is that I received a PM after Day 2 stating I took 100 damage
Then I received a PM after D3 stating I took 50.
I'm grateful that you guys healed me, but either I didn't receive the heal or I simply took a but-load of damage on those days. I'm thinking the latter.

On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.

I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out.

On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote:


Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective.

From what I understand:
Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me.
Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100.
Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage.

On November 28 2012 01:33 Acrofales wrote:
Also, stop shitting up the thread repeating yourselves over and over and OVER about who healed what damage when and having a clusterfuck of miscommunication.

What I am FAR more interested in is knowing why Iamperfection thought Hapa would need healing D1.

On November 28 2012 02:25 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamp

Acro made a comment on wanting to hear an explanation about you healing me D1, and I'm inclined to agree. You had a really strong town read on me D1...

...however it's pretty unexplained. Is you being drunk Thanksgiving the only explanation you have for this (both the town-read and the heal)? Needless to say it's not very convincing.

On November 28 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote:
I plan on targeting a member of the party or the party leader with my first ability tonight. I will not reveal my target so that mafia is forced to claim their roleblocks.

On November 28 2012 08:04 Djodref wrote:

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Disclaimer: Dieno is already taken care of !

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It looks like Dieno is a serious contender for the title of party leader today.
I don't want people to waste heals or protections on him because I have already used a retroactive ability on him which totally protects him. I have already saved him during the second cycle I believe.
So now you are free to use your abilities on someone else ^^

I aslo would like Dieno to consider taking me instead of TC on his party because I'm not fully trusting TC yet (hence my vote on Keirathi) but I'm not going to fight for it because Dieno's party is likely to succeed already imo.

On November 28 2012 08:49 Hapahauli wrote:


Was just curious and probing. Went through your filter in the last few hours and I'm pretty sure you're town.

Have some reads on the lurkers pending for a post tonight.

On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote:
My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now...

In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist:

1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out.
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar...
4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too.
5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party
6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later...
7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter.
8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...).
9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions.
10) Toad - Scum
11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read...

On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote:

2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...

On November 28 2012 10:07 goodkarma wrote:


That might be the first productive thing you've done all game...

On November 28 2012 10:13 goodkarma wrote:


And which scum exactly would you propose we shoot then?

All the people I proposed have a decent chance of flipping scum.