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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 20:46 GMT
#2567
If sandro was scum, why would he have stopped his campaign and gona AWOL when he started to get some traction ?
There are some better people to lynch.

Jumping on the Toad wagon !!!?

##Unvote
Vote Toad
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#2603
On November 25 2012 06:58 iamperfection wrote:
also on my own activity i have been doing some things with the family around thanksgiving hunting in the woodss and stuff like that. It was Pleasant and all but the full force of the perfect one will be going on this point forward.


I'll look forward to it...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:02 GMT
#2607
This is going to be a mislynch... I feel it
Anyways, I didn't expect to have so many sheeps in this town.
Would appreciate that someone take care of CJ the troll tonight ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:10 GMT
#2618
On November 25 2012 07:08 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:08 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:07 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:05 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:03 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:01 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:
On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma

If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad.



This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.

I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.

How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means.

hes probably making an assumption based on the mission success.

Don't give him ideas for an excuse...

you know when people tell me to do something i usually don't listen.

That wasn't a command it was pointing out a silly post.

almost as silly as pointing it out

Pointing it out does nothing once its already out there


Would you like to share something with wrt your abilities ?
Something that we could confirm tomorrow ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:17 GMT
#2621
On November 25 2012 07:14 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:10 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:08 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:08 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:07 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:05 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:03 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:01 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:
[quote]


This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.

I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.

How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means.

hes probably making an assumption based on the mission success.

Don't give him ideas for an excuse...

you know when people tell me to do something i usually don't listen.

That wasn't a command it was pointing out a silly post.

almost as silly as pointing it out

Pointing it out does nothing once its already out there


Would you like to share something with wrt your abilities ?
Something that we could confirm tomorrow ?


Not without giving away which one I'm using and who I'm targeting with which I don't want to do right now.


So I guess you'll have no problem with calling you full of shit tomorrow ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:22 GMT
#2630
Bowser Hapahauli random lynch in 5 minutes. Never forget.
Anything can happen ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:26 GMT
#2638
On November 25 2012 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:19 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:


My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad?

Really? your suggesting we shouldn't be still scumhunting and have tunnel vision.

Keriharti nitpicking and aggression there is also a town tell in my view. He is suspicious in a good way.
Your point there was scummy as shit. You think we should have blinders on right now really?


I have to agree, we're way past the point of scumhunting, we can return to that tomorrow.
Right now people need to decide, Sandro or Toad


My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:34 GMT
#2645
On November 25 2012 07:29 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:23 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:
On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma

If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad.



This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.

I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.

How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means.


I am under the working assumption that he is town based off mission success. In other words... what iamp said.

Unless you plan on making a last-minute wagon on me due to this one instance of poor word choice, though, perhaps weighing in on the two main candidates would be a better use of your time?

My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad?

I'm working on a post about Sandro and Toad. It takes time to write up something like that, and I keep refreshing the end of the thread to see if there's any kind of new evidence or opinions that I should take into account.

But that comment was more than just a "poor" choice of words. I've had a few posts this game that were misconstrued because of a poor choice of words, but what you said was borderline scumslip. If it wasn't so late in the day, I would put more research into you, but I just don't have time.


Good call. I am more than happy to discuss any case you bring against me. But for now let's focus on the matter at hand.


the matter at hand is that a good amount of sandroba's voters are lurky sheepers...

Adam, risk.nuke, S&B and one or two other that I forget. There is not enough people is the thread right now to change anything. Sandrba lynch is sealed imo...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 22:39 GMT
#2650
On November 25 2012 07:35 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:18 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:17 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:14 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:10 Djodref wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:08 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:08 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:07 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:05 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:03 CaveJohnson wrote:
[quote]
Don't give him ideas for an excuse...

you know when people tell me to do something i usually don't listen.

That wasn't a command it was pointing out a silly post.

almost as silly as pointing it out

Pointing it out does nothing once its already out there


Would you like to share something with wrt your abilities ?
Something that we could confirm tomorrow ?


Not without giving away which one I'm using and who I'm targeting with which I don't want to do right now.


So I guess you'll have no problem with calling you full of shit tomorrow ^^


I'll probably be dead to be honest

Drazerk just claimed scum.


Is it a meta pattern ? Kush had something similar. "Thank you for being suspicious of me, now I know that the mafia is not going to kill me"
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 24 2012 23:05 GMT
#2683
Isn't it supposed to be the non posting time now ?
When do we have the flip ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 01:16 GMT
#2734
I took 30 damage !

I propose myself as a party leader for today !

My team would consist of Acro, Clarity and Dieno !
I'm quite confident to pull off a success for the event with such a team ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 01:20 GMT
#2741
My team has the advantage to be composed of town members (I have strong town reads on Acro and Clarity) and the members are new for most of them. This way, we can make our townieness even clearer for everybody ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 01:27 GMT
#2746
@marv

I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party.
After that, Acro and Clarity deserve to be included. They really look town in my eyes, and I can guess that everyone share this opinion. As a party leader, I feel that I would be the less reliable given my previous views on sandro but I would like to take this opportunity to show everyone my true colors ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 06:32 GMT
#2880
On November 25 2012 14:16 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote:
My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow...


Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot.


@dieno

Given that this game choice mechanics are mainly going to be focused on the election of a party leader and on the composition of the party members, I'll say that the biggest asset we have as town is Oats and you right now. You have both claimed and your play scream out loud that you are town newbies. This quality is easy to recognize and it is reinforced by the fact that you have already helped one event to succeed. Given your roles, I bet that your hidden factor is quite reasonable in any era on top of that.
Being the biggest asset of town, you are also a great threat for the mafia. So I expected you to be killed, because you were the only one to have claimed at that time.

@everyone

I don't think that Oats or Dieno should be party leaders.


As much as I appreciate their enthustiasm and the fact that they are easily recognizqble town players, I don't trust their judent. I would like to remind you that syllo received a gift the first cycle because his party was successful. I would prefer experienced players to receive such gifts. Moreover, I think that Oats and Dieno are both the closest to be confirmed town players. That make them big targets for the mafia. That's another reason why they should not receive these gifts which could be helpful to fight Lavos.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 06:38 GMT
#2883
On November 25 2012 15:03 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 14:16 Dienosore wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote:
My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow...


Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot.


Oh I just found this!

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote:
@marv

I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party.


Why does does it surprise you so much that im still alive & kickin?!


@Dieno

Tell me what you think about my previous post in response to your concern.
By the way, I would like to know in which way it influences your read on me.

I find you cute and funny, it's very refreshing to see how much effort you put in your chart but I should warn you from trusting the results you can directly infer from these connections. Townies are going to suspect Townies, townies are going to trust townies and/or mafia players. But mafia players are going to try to cause the maximum confusion for eveybody...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 06:46 GMT
#2884
On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
I took 30 damage, same as Djo. And we both took 20 damage last night. I'm willling to guess we'll take 40 damage tonight.
Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took?

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 15:03 Dienosore wrote:
On November 25 2012 14:16 Dienosore wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote:
My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow...


Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot.


Oh I just found this!

On November 25 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote:
@marv

I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party.


Why does does it surprise you so much that im still alive & kickin?!


Djo he already said he took 425 or 450 dmg last night and another blow like that would cripple him, not kill him.

Anyway good lynch guys! I'm inclined to believe the DT checks on Toad, now the question is, was he an obvious 'framer' target, and if so, does that change the fact that he should die?
The case on hopeless seems pretty damning.


Well, first of all, nobody died tonight and the amount of kp taken claimed so far is rather low. I'm going to wait a little to draw conclusions, especially because Dieno is not claiming so far, but I find it really weird that nobody died from mafia KP in two cycles. I also think that I'm going to suffer 40 dmg tonight, I just hope it's going to stop one day...

TheChronicler claims that he checked sandro and Toad d1 and Acro d2. TheChronicler story makes sense, he even tells us that he wanted to lynch sandro for information. I think that I was wrong about him. I'm still a little wary and I would not vote for a party with him as a member but I'm going to drop my case until firther notice.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 07:13 GMT
#2885


Most reasonable Party for this Cycle


  • Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
  • Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
  • One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 07:34 GMT
#2893
On November 25 2012 16:17 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 15:32 Djodref wrote:
@dieno

Given that this game choice mechanics are mainly going to be focused on the election of a party leader and on the composition of the party members, I'll say that the biggest asset we have as town is Oats and you right now. You have both claimed and your play scream out loud that you are town newbies. This quality is easy to recognize and it is reinforced by the fact that you have already helped one event to succeed. Given your roles, I bet that your hidden factor is quite reasonable in any era on top of that.
Being the biggest asset of town, you are also a great threat for the mafia. So I expected you to be killed, because you were the only one to have claimed at that time.


Since you've said yourself I am one of the biggest assets to town and I am such a big threat to the mafia, why didn't you assume that the town wouldn't protect me somehow?

Also, this seems like a suspiciously long explanation to a short question...

Show nested quote +

@everyone

I don't think that Oats or Dieno should be party leaders.


As much as I appreciate their enthustiasm and the fact that they are easily recognizqble town players, I don't trust their judent. I would like to remind you that syllo received a gift the first cycle because his party was successful. I would prefer experienced players to receive such gifts. Moreover, I think that Oats and Dieno are both the closest to be confirmed town players. That make them big targets for the mafia. That's another reason why they should not receive these gifts which could be helpful to fight Lavos.


You don't trust our judgement? Obviously I am going to listen to everyone's input about possible group members before I make a decision, so that's a terrible argument. About the item, and I'd like to think that even though my mafia experience may be limited, i'd still recognize the proper time to use an item lol. It really cant be that hard. The fact that I still have a huge target on my back and may die before I get to use the item is a valid point, though.


In fact, I thought that you got protected. The fact that the amount of claimed KP is low and that you didn't want to say what happened to you and your reaction right now almost confirms it. Did you get protection last cycle ?
Could you tell us how much damage you took ?

For the other point, the fact that you considered phagga for your party and the fact that you are basing a lot of your decisions on your chart makes me uncomfortable to trust unique items to you. I don't doubt that you are going to listen to other players but some of them could be mafia. Moreover, I don't know how much protection you can get but I giess that you are going to die if mafia really wants you dead.

Don't worry, you made already a ver good job by playing like you do. You are almost confirmed now so it is incredibly useful for us now. I understand your frustation but we have to play as a team and you did already more than your part ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 07:40 GMT
#2895
On November 25 2012 16:33 syllogism wrote:
Prom I only skimmed the thread, but are you saying that you lied about your roleblock and your ability?


Nice job with your read on sandro. Sorry for not having sheeped on you...
Did you take any damage ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 07:47 GMT
#2896
On November 25 2012 16:38 Dienosore wrote:
Im not going to tell you how much dmg I took last night, sorry, djo.

That being said, here is the claimed dmg report so far:

+ Show Spoiler +

Happahauli : 100 dmg
Kitaman27 : 50 dmg
Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal
Acro : 30 dmg
Djo : 30 dmg
Clarity : 30 dmg


Also, here is a list of notable claims and developments:

+ Show Spoiler +

- prome claims marv targeted syllo with a spell
- marv says hes a medic
- kita says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl
- keirathi claims to be 600ad char, possibly medic?
- oats claims robo and has multiple abilities
- Thechronicler claims he can see if two people are the same alignment, incriminated toad
- acro knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, says toad is queen zeal
- toad claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro



Prome story and the fact that both sandro and marv got roleblocked N1 makes sense... Not sure if we can 100% trust marv medic claim but I would say yes at first glance. @marv who did you target N2 ?

Acro story and TheChronicler story make sense. Toad is scum imo. Not sure if we should exempt TheChronicler from being Scum but he is more likely to be town than anything else now.

I don't see any reason to doubt Keir claim.
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