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On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team. So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o I'm confused.
There is this:
On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote:
Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!
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On November 26 2012 04:11 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote:On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team. So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o I'm confused. There is this: On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote:
Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!
A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200.
Then you should complain to Greymist and demand a refund 
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Popcorn goodkarma against toad and watch him burn.
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haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him?
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Alright guys. I'm headed to bed and wanted to share and consolidate what info I've collected before I fall asleep.
Relationship Maps
D1 map:
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D2 map:
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D3 map (incomplete):
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Looking at these becomes funner and funner once people start flipping certain colors
Notable Claims and Events
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prome: claims marv targeted syllo with a spell, says he has roleblocks
marv: says hes a medic, and got healed, clarity says he isnt lying about night stuff
kita: says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl
keirathi: claims to be 600ad char
oats: claims robo and has multiple abilities
Thechronicler: claims he has gold based abilities, incriminated toad with 'popcorn' for 200g, says end of the day is going to be fun for him
acro: knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, used 1 shot to expose toad as queen zeal
toad: claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro
syllogism: roleblocked
iamp: claims he was healed
cave: claims he is 1000ad char
clarity: claims to know marv isnt lying about his night actions, also says cave's char isnt from a certain era
hopeless1der: took self inflicted dmg
cavejohnson: said he was going to kill acro asap
Damage Report
Day 1
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Dienosore - 445 dmg
Marvellosity - 200 dmg (roleblocked)
Kitaman - 200 dmg (conditional)
Sandroba - 125 dmg
CaveJohnson - 25 dmg
Clarity - 20 dmg
Iamperfection - 20 dmg
Acrofalls - 20 dmg
Djodref - 20 dmg
Oh and someone else claimed they got hit for 50, also forget who
Day 2:
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Happahauli : 100 dmg
Kitaman27 : 50 dmg
Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal
Acro : 30 dmg
Djo : 30 dmg
Clarity : 30 dmg
Toad: 500 dmg (conditional)
Syllogism: roleblocked
Votecounts
Day 1, First Group Leader
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Kitaman27 (3): Kitaman27, Promethelax,strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Sandroba (1): Z-Boson
Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (13): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, sandroba, phagga
Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der
Day 2, Necktie Social No:1
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Kitaman27 (3): Kitaman27, Promethelax, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson, sandroba, phagga,
Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der
Day 3, Second Group Leader
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Syllogism (1): risk.nuke
Dienosore (3): kitaman27, Adam4167, Promethelax
Oatsmaster (10): goodkarma, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, iamperfection, Dienosore, Clarity_nl, phagga, Keirathi, Hopeless1der, Z-BozoN, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Syllogism
Quick note here, there have been a lot of changes which I haven't recorded. Everyone seems to have consolidated on Oats fairly early in the cycle, so it felt like a lot of unnecessary work.
K that's about it for now. I'll be up for 10 more minutes or so. Anyone have any questions or want my opinion on anything?
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Damnit, fucked up spoiler and also it should be Sandroba not Syllogism in the day 2 votecount 
Too tired for this T_T
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Fuckk, I messed the votecounts up completely.
screw it, im going to sleep
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On November 26 2012 18:53 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 18:50 Promethelax wrote:
Dieno: could you tell us what you infer from your crazy maps? Those help us as much as me posting a list of player names with everyone shaded a different shade of purple. It probably means something to me but you have no idea what. It's more simmilar to posting bad/useless lists. Except worse. I think it has gone past that to totally meaningless. That is why I want his conclusions. If ntohing else they are good for a laugh.
They are relationship maps, not scum/town indicators. If someone is talking about someone else, I connect them with the arrow pointing towards who is being talked about. The more erratic the line, the more negativity associated with it.
The maps don't lean one way or another, they are a tool that shows who feels what about who, and who is talking about who. While this is all good by itself, the real fun comes when you start cross-referencing people from day to day as situations change. Also, it is useful to see how the names group up, and if there are any cliques forming.
Anyone specific you want a conclusion about?
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On November 26 2012 19:27 Promethelax wrote:
I'd like the conclusions you feel are most important, the ones you think I should be paying attention to.
Well, considering the discussion on the last 10 pages or so, the two people under the most heat right now are Toad and Hope. When I look at the three maps, it's pretty clear these guys have been in a downward spiral since the beginning of the game. Allow me to explain what I see...
Hopeless didnt make it onto the d1 map, which I attribute to heavy lurking. D2 shows him with only one connection, and it is a positive relationship with Sandro (who flipped scum). Day three has him right in the middle of the map, catching heat from many different angles
Toad is shown on d1 not being very active. His only connections are a scumread from Kush and a positive connection towards Kitaman. D2 has him on the opposite side of the map, suggesting he has changed his clique. He begins to attract negative attention from a few sources, and has positive connections with Kita and yourself (Prom). He was exposed as we all know on Day 3, and has been taking immense heat since then.
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I also used the maps to help pick our group members for this cycle. Originally I had wanted Phagga and Clarity.
Clarity on day 1 has mostly positive links, although he did draw some fire from Sandroba and even a bit from syllo. D2 shows him with 95% good feedback, with his only negativity coming from a strong indicator from oats. Since he's been nominated on day 3, there hasn't been very much reaction at all. Still just positive vibes from just about everyone.
Phagga was on the outside of the bubble on D1, but still had a few connections of various types here and there. This indicates playing a standard game. He stays outside the bubble on day two and has even fewer connections;a safe vote to lynch cave, trust from clarity, and a scumread on goodkarma. Day three isn't complete yet, but its shaping up to look as if Phagga will remain on the outside. He also has flipped his stance towards goodkarma. All in all, pretty neutral.
Well, I guess you guys weren't happy with bringing a neutral player into the fold, so I replaced him with the safer bet, Marv. He had been extremely active, so I had a lot of sources to draw from before I eventually concluded he was trustworthy. It also helped that Oats had wanted him in his party too.
On day 1, most of you guys didn't like marv. His only clear supporter was SnB. The next day was a more focused hate, coming primarily from toad, risk.nuke, and prom (intense hate from prom, actually). He also found some mainstream support from Clarity. Day 3, however, has been a completely different story. Even since he has been nominated to be in the group, there has been an overwhelming consensus to support this guy.
Any other questions?
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I'm really looking forward to someone flipping who isnt such an obvious target. Sandroba practically tied the rope and put it around his neck once he disappeared in the manner he did after losing the election. Everyone was able to distance themselves pretty early and without much drama, so I couldn't really reverse my reads to find more scum.
My maps will become much more useful as the game plays out. Any deductions made right now are mostly conjecture and extrapolations, but soon I'll have the keys to the kingdom.
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On November 26 2012 20:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
You seem to not mention Oats basically calling me scum D1, other than that that's basically how I recall the game going, yes.
There's nothing wrong with summarizing information like this, Dieno, but realize that there's no real original input from you when it comes to this. You put work into it and I really appreciate that, but I would like to see you make some observations of people on your own, rather than summarize those of others.
I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it
And if you really think what I'm doing is just summarizing the game, then you are unfortunately misunderstanding the whole purpose. While you guys are debating each other and sifting through filters to dig up evidence for cases, I'm documenting it all. Then, I can take a step back and look for patterns and connections that you guys might miss because you are too wrapped up in what people are saying, rather than why they are saying it or who they are saying it to.
Once a few more people flip, you'll be able to look back at the maps and be like, "oh snap, this guy who has been exposed as mafia has been supporting this guy all game" etc. Once one domino falls, the rest will be sure to quickly follow. I just hope I can stay alive long enough to make sure it happens.
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On November 27 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me? Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book.
I think you are misreading what hapa wrote. He wrote that if Toad flips red, then Hopeless is town.
To me this feels like a greasy move to do some damage control for the mafia.
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Oh, and it also gives us a convenient reason to get rid of an innocent towny for being wrong about a defense, which honestly I wouldn't feel completely comfortable doing.
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I can see how mafia could use this opportunity to cause absolute mayhem if toad does flip green, but I still don't get how it absolutely incriminates Hopeless as scum?
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On November 27 2012 09:03 Mementoss wrote:
...and the cutie pie Deinosore.
But Dienosore had a plan to make the hovercraft go faster! He pulled some pretty pink ribbons out of his pocket and attached them to the back end. However, this did not do anything except make the party look fabulous.
teehee
“Marvellosity, I am so sick of you! GL HF”, shouted Clarity_Nl, as he pushed him out of the moving hovercraft. “ We will come back for you, espeically if we owe GMarshal 1000G!”
Marvellosity - King Guardia XXI! has been killed!
wtf clarity, y u do that
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Alright guys, I'm going to run for group leader again unless it's obviously clear I should vote for someone else. I was healed last night, so I'm not really that scared of dying anymore.
Here is my proposed group:
Oats/Syllo/Keirathi
Unless I missed something, we are still in 2300ad, so Robo(oats) will probably continue to be beneficial to the party. Syllo is a shoo-in based on his performances d1/d2. Keirathi has expressed his desire to be in the group so he may use his abilities and was cleared on d1 group.
Any objections? Suggestions?
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On November 27 2012 10:12 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:10 Dienosore wrote:
Alright guys, I'm going to run for group leader again unless it's obviously clear I should vote for someone else. I was healed last night, so I'm not really that scared of dying anymore.
Here is my proposed group:
Oats/Syllo/Keirathi
Unless I missed something, we are still in 2300ad, so Robo(oats) will probably continue to be beneficial to the party. Syllo is a shoo-in based on his performances d1/d2. Keirathi has expressed his desire to be in the group so he may use his abilities and was cleared on d1 group.
Any objections? Suggestions? You can't use Oats.
OHH, just read the 1.5 thing.
Ok well then I retract my candidacy for this cycle. As much as I'd like to get masamune working again by winning as party leader (just a guess), I think it would be better for Oats to be in the group while it's still his era.
Not sure who I want to vote yet. I think I'm going to let things simmer a touch before I place my vote this time.
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Oh shit, we are at the end of time? In that case, I'd like to keep myself in the race since Oats doesn't want to be in the party. That leaves me to pick another for his spot. K, here is my new new group.
Syllo/Keirathi/TheChronicler
I picked TheChronicler because he's wanted to be in for a few cycles now, and because he has gained my trust through his claims.
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