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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#1561
I really would like Hapa to chime in, if he's watching.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:34 GMT
#1575
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#1580
Zbo, why the silent vote on Sand?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:44 GMT
#1588
On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.

Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it.


I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team.
I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning?

I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:50 GMT
#1593
On November 23 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.

Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it.


I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team.
I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning?

I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo.

The problem with this reasoning is that if syllo is scum, he already KNOWS how this mission is going to turn out: it will be a failure. The WHY he picked the players is not going to change. Plus, if this mission fails, as Marv said, the first person I suspect for scum is Syllo himself.


I understand the argument of why witholding the names isn't bad, I fail to see the reasoning of why it's good.
Again though, hapa is willing to take me, and I'm 100% town to myself, obviously.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:52 GMT
#1595
On November 23 2012 06:49 risk.nuke wrote:
Switching from syllo at this point seems futile. For at least a few hours now it's pretty much already been decided, for better or worse he was going to be elected.


I'm so glad you showed up just to say it's pointless to discuss stuff.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:59 GMT
#1605
On November 23 2012 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
WTF happened?

Explain your town read on Hapa.

Now I am really really leaving


He was scum last game I played him and he wasn't nearly as engaged. Someone pointed out he's harping on little things (snb I think) and for hapa this actually seems like a townie trait to me.
His reasoned yet emotionally charged attack on syllo's campaign seems sincere to me.
His town read on me when compared to the general consensus also strengthens it.

That's the gist of it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:02 GMT
#1608
Hapa are you willing to switch out GK for someone else you find townie? Will vote for you if you do, as long as your choice doesn't suck.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:05 GMT
#1612
Phagga.

Is your meta read on GK really that strong? Other then meta you don't seem to have much reasoning.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:12 GMT
#1615
On November 23 2012 07:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Phagga.

Is your meta read on GK really that strong? Other then meta you don't seem to have much reasoning.


I'm pretty comfortable with the meta read. I really don't know much about Phagga - can you give me the rundown?


His interaction with marv seems genuine. Basically he called marv's post about not wanting to lead as "weird" and when marv questioned him about it... it just all seemed very genuine.

His thoughts/posts are pro-town, a prime example is this:
On November 21 2012 16:54 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:
On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote:
I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected.

Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person).



The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader.

I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting.


Ok, looks like I need to clarify myself.

Townhunting is stupid. Do you know why? Because scum can fake it to no end, since they know who is not scum. Talking about who is townie makes it much easier for scum to blend in, which then makes it much harder for town to choose the right people for their teams. Yes, there may be multiple factions in this game. Still, if we force scum to scumhunt they are more likely to trip as if they can just give their townreads out. So, no, I disagree that this game revolves around townhunting. We find out who is townie by scumhunting, not by townhunting.



Other than that it's just gut for me, really.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:12 GMT
#1616
His thinking process has just seemed very townie all game so far.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:18 GMT
#1619
##Unvote
##Vote Hapahauli
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:19 GMT
#1620
Maybe for once last minute stuff won't screw me over, let's find out.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:26 GMT
#1625
I urge everyone who is voting for sand to unvote him, or tell me why my case on him doesn't make sense.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=71#1413
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:32 GMT
#1629
Silent vote from sand to syllo.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:36 GMT
#1633
On November 23 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote:
Hey I had to come back home to vote and I have to go back out. Real quick, did anything important happened?


I made a case on you, see above.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:44 GMT
#1640
I think that with 16 minutes remaining, if you prefer hapa over syllo vote for him, if you don't, don't.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:48 GMT
#1642
zbo your vote is currently on syllo in the votecount. is this because you didn't unvote or something, or a mod error?
In fact I could've sworn there were people on sand, did they all switch to syllo when I wasn't looking?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:54 GMT
#1646
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der


Things and such.


Come on man that's just lazy. Vote who you believe is the best person to be party leader so we can hold you accountable later.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 22:55 GMT
#1649
Go do that after you vote for someone useful.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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