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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 01:01 GMT
#1735
EBWOP: meant to say that I feel this is more like his town lurk, than his scum lurk, but I am hardly very confident in that read.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 01:13 GMT
#1747
On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.

Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv.


Lol, nice soft defense.

How is that a soft defense?
I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all.
I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch.

What part of that post is defending someone?

How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 01:28 GMT
#1755
I want to lynch Drazerk, but then again, I ALWAYS want to lynch Drazerk. I don't even have any particular reason for thinking he's scum this game. He's just Drazerk and he will happily fuck his team over if he thinks it'll be fun. However, he also has random flashes of brilliance.

So, given that, I think I will follow SnB's advice and just ignore him. Which leaves Sandro. I am not sure I like the bandwagon that is already forming on him, but I can't ignore the fact that he is acting like his scum self, and not his town self.

I will also be looking into the other competition for the party leadership more closely. Particularly Hapa: I was null on him, but the whole lastminute campaigning really made me wary. Will read his filter more closely tomorrow.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 01:35 GMT
#1762
On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.

Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv.


Lol, nice soft defense.

How is that a soft defense?
I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all.
I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch.

What part of that post is defending someone?

How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray.


The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie.

I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever.

BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years.

Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 01:38 GMT
#1764
Yeah, I see no reason not to say. I took 20 points of damage.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 03:18 GMT
#1803
On November 23 2012 11:55 Djodref wrote:
Taking a look at Dieno latest posts and at his filter, I think that we can be confident that he is indeed Frog.
Is there anyone still doubting his claim ? I would go as far as to say that he is town, and not 3P.

You could just ask him. He has claimed, helped town and taken a shitton of damage. 3rd party in that situation seems like a good idea to claim. I know I would if I was a survivor type deal.

Dieno: is your wincon to win with town? Anything else special about it? Not sure who speculated about you needing to maybe kill someone?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 03:19 GMT
#1804
On November 23 2012 12:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Could someone explain what dieno being frog has to do with his alignment?
Is that a likely townrole because of the name or why is everyone mentioning that oO

http://chrono.wikia.com/wiki/Frog
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 03:25 GMT
#1806
On November 23 2012 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:
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On November 23 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission.
At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right?


On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog.

It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD)


@Clarity

I don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet.
Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along
In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^


One way or another, syllogism just picked a winning team. I don't see a conspiracy here, as long as he keeps doing what hes doing, he'll keep getting my vote to keep picking his team.

This. I see no reason to suspect Syllo. If things suddenly start going wrong, well.. then we can think about it, but Syllo and his gang are in my town list. Although Marv was in my head when he was surprised that Syllo picked Keirathi. I was only marginally reading town on him. I have some other reads that I was quite a bit more convinced about.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 03:28 GMT
#1810
Drazerk, did you throw around a load of 20 damage nukes?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 04:11 GMT
#1818
Lol. Random speculation: Marle would die if we didn't complete the mission. Sucks to be you, goodbye /flush. Not a very nice, or fair, mechanic (as at least mislynches can be blamed on the person being lynched failing to look townie), but lorewise totally correct and would create amazing WTFness.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 10:56 GMT
#1848
On November 23 2012 19:07 Djodref wrote:
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On November 23 2012 18:47 goodkarma wrote:
I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia.


On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does:

##Vote: Sandroba


@goodkarma

I admit that my vote on CJ is more a result of troll-hunting that scum-hunting. Today is going to be a scum-hunting day but I would say that a CJ lynch is the best lynch right now.

I don't want you to trust other players on sandroba's meta: you are voting him, so you need to show your own personal findings which motivated your vote. The Looney Game that I have already mentioned is a good example of a town sandroba going AWOL.


I am confused and guess I will have to read that Looney Game. I presume this means you disagree with Hopeless1der's assessment of Sandroba in that game, or did that come later?
On November 22 2012 00:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
My vote is probably going to sandroba. Second hand knowledge from Looney mafia suggests that he'll have everyone in the game crapping their pants by this time tomorrow.

If I by some miracle were voted leader, I'd pick my party members based on apparent knowledge of chrono trigger garnered from the pregame. My ability to make confident day 1 reads is abysmal. I'll still do it, just don't expect me to be right...like ever.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 11:23 GMT
#1851
People I really want to hear from before I make any kind of decision on whom to vote for:

BioSC
On November 23 2012 04:12 BioSC wrote:
post from phone, sorry for not being active, visiting with family today (thanksgiving). Assuming i live through tonight, i will be more active during the weekend. keeping up with the thread as best i can, still leaning syllo over sand atm.

You better start now. Remember Bastard 2 where I shot you for being a scummy lurker? I am feeling that same feeling. If you're town, prove it.

Sandroba
If you're town, I presume you know that your behaviour is looking incredibly suspect. Start playing the game for real. If you just keep right on lurking, I will absolutely want to lynch you.

Drazerk
Have not yet made up my mind about you. I am not feeling the scum Drazerk vibe, but I didn't in Holy Roman either. What I do know is that you have not even tried to be helpful this game, while in Bastard 2 that was what kept me from going after you as rabidly as I wanted. So... lets have it. Less mindless waffle and tell us who you want to lynch today and why. Also, given your stance on noobs, what do you want to do with Dieno, now that he has proven to be useful, and claimed 3rd party?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 11:25 GMT
#1853
On November 23 2012 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Acro that quote of hopeless on sand is rather ancient. Although it's interesting that I can't find a more recent quote of hopeless commenting on sand.

I wasn't referring to hopless1der's read of Sandro. I was referring to his assessment of what people thought of Sandro in Looney mafia. That is what was confusing me. 2 people saying 2 completely different things about Sandroba's play in the same game. I want to know what Djodref makes of that.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 11:25 GMT
#1854
Sniped.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 11:26 GMT
#1855
On November 23 2012 20:24 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 19:56 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 19:07 Djodref wrote:
On November 23 2012 18:47 goodkarma wrote:
I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia.


On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does:

##Vote: Sandroba


@goodkarma

I admit that my vote on CJ is more a result of troll-hunting that scum-hunting. Today is going to be a scum-hunting day but I would say that a CJ lynch is the best lynch right now.

I don't want you to trust other players on sandroba's meta: you are voting him, so you need to show your own personal findings which motivated your vote. The Looney Game that I have already mentioned is a good example of a town sandroba going AWOL.


I am confused and guess I will have to read that Looney Game. I presume this means you disagree with Hopeless1der's assessment of Sandroba in that game, or did that come later?
On November 22 2012 00:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
My vote is probably going to sandroba. Second hand knowledge from Looney mafia suggests that he'll have everyone in the game crapping their pants by this time tomorrow.

If I by some miracle were voted leader, I'd pick my party members based on apparent knowledge of chrono trigger garnered from the pregame. My ability to make confident day 1 reads is abysmal. I'll still do it, just don't expect me to be right...like ever.



@Acro

I was scum in this game and you can see in our scumQT that HiroPro and OriginalName were afraid of sandro. He went AWOL so I've tried to push a sandro mislynch with some other town players but Hiro didn't want to take this risk. Sandro came back just before getting mislynched and one of our partner eventually got lynched. It was also a themed game

Ah, so you expect Hopeless simply had his assessment of Sandro wrong: it wasn't his playstyle that inspired fear in scum, but his mere presence. That does make some sense.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 11:46 GMT
#1858
On November 23 2012 20:28 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 20:26 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 20:24 Djodref wrote:
On November 23 2012 19:56 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 19:07 Djodref wrote:
On November 23 2012 18:47 goodkarma wrote:
I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia.


On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does:

##Vote: Sandroba


@goodkarma

I admit that my vote on CJ is more a result of troll-hunting that scum-hunting. Today is going to be a scum-hunting day but I would say that a CJ lynch is the best lynch right now.

I don't want you to trust other players on sandroba's meta: you are voting him, so you need to show your own personal findings which motivated your vote. The Looney Game that I have already mentioned is a good example of a town sandroba going AWOL.


I am confused and guess I will have to read that Looney Game. I presume this means you disagree with Hopeless1der's assessment of Sandroba in that game, or did that come later?
On November 22 2012 00:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
My vote is probably going to sandroba. Second hand knowledge from Looney mafia suggests that he'll have everyone in the game crapping their pants by this time tomorrow.

If I by some miracle were voted leader, I'd pick my party members based on apparent knowledge of chrono trigger garnered from the pregame. My ability to make confident day 1 reads is abysmal. I'll still do it, just don't expect me to be right...like ever.



@Acro

I was scum in this game and you can see in our scumQT that HiroPro and OriginalName were afraid of sandro. He went AWOL so I've tried to push a sandro mislynch with some other town players but Hiro didn't want to take this risk. Sandro came back just before getting mislynched and one of our partner eventually got lynched. It was also a themed game

Ah, so you expect Hopeless simply had his assessment of Sandro wrong: it wasn't his playstyle that inspired fear in scum, but his mere presence. That does make some sense.


You understand it perfectly. You can find some insight of it in our scumQT


@Hopeless1der: do you agree with that? Lets hear your thoughts on Sandro.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 12:33 GMT
#1860
Okay. Reading through Hapa's filter in a more calm and collected time kinda put my suspicions to rest. I see nothing there that screams scum.

The aggression at Keirathi felt forced, but that is about it. He seems open and completely willing to share his thoughts at all times. Also, his reason for running against Syllo follows in a clean, coherent line from his earlier posts.

I haven't read a scum game by him, and by reputation I know he can be crafty, however I see no reason to think that that is actually the case at the moment.

Next up: GoodKarma.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 13:40 GMT
#1873
On November 23 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
I am free to play, I'm posting more than the average person and I've contributed a lot. Mind you that 2 out of the 3 people syllo took with him I was planning on taking. I gave out a town read on syllo very early on.
As to your question, obviously, since I am town. He has been paranoid about my alignment a lot of times in the past (of the top of my head merc mini mafia and that huge 80 player game), but normally he reaches the correct conclusion soon enough.

I have to admit if you are going to bed now, your sleep schedule is INCREDIBLY fubar'd. Good luck with that.

On to game matters, 2 questions:
1. what was your reason for wanting to join this game?
2. given that today is a lynch day, who do you think is scum and why?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 13:44 GMT
#1874
On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote:
Who I would nominate (if not myself):

As of right now, my support for a party leader (besides myself) would be sandroba.

Sandroba seems to be adopting a solid strategy at present. I wholeheartedly agree with going with the most townie individuals, even if they are inexperienced. We don't know how the minigames are going to work yet, but we do know with 100% certainty that scum will count against their success. In a game where we don't lynch, all we can do is establish who is actually town. It is absolutely ridiculous to nominate people who have both strong scum and town games and are hard to read day one (thinking of Marv).

I also completely agree with the suggestion that's been brought up that parties be suggested by those who are hoping to be nominated up-front. This is especially important if we are to nominate a townie who isn't as experienced.


Goodkarma for President:

As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time.


Before I actually get going properly on GK's filter there is a question that is still bugging me. GK: why did you want to run for party leader?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18154 Posts
November 23 2012 13:51 GMT
#1876
I was going to put some examples here, but I have a better idea that will let me figure out more about the unique capabilities of our squiggly line drawer :D

@Dienosore: I am starting to agree with you on the strangeness of some of GK's posts. However, I want you to explain a bit better what in GK's posts reads as contrived. We can compare notes afterwards. We will then use our combined powers to ascertain whether he is scum or not!

@everybody else: go ahead and do the same, but please let Dieno answer the question first. It was him who first mentioned this stuff.
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