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On November 24 2012 17:31 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 17:29 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote: Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth @PromSandro claimed to be roleblocked by the way... On November 23 2012 21:51 sandroba wrote: Oh my it seems I'm the only person in the game that doesn't get to have a real life every so often. I spent the night at a girl's house ytd and only got home now. I thought I would give the thread a quick read before heading to bed (yes my sleep schedule is severely fucked up) and I see that suddenly I became the main wagon. Nice. Weekend is ahead and it will be extremelly busy and now I have to fight syllo induced mislynch just to prob face the same problem again the next day. Thx. I'll be here briefily if anyone want to interact, but I'm heading to bed. I took 125 dmg and got roleblocked.
I know who he was pointing at when he got blocked, okay?
Did you also know that he was blocked ? Like "sandro was blocked but his action was pointing at syllo" ? I would understand if you don't want to elaborate on this subject but I'm curious and I would like you to tell us more. It's up to you
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@syllo
On October 13 2012 22:51 sandroba wrote: What is even there to talk about? Over the time I've been playing mafia I grew more and more away from hard analysis and began to use apparent integrity and sincerity of people's post as a way to tell scum and town appart. That means that the way I do it is completely subjective to what I consider to be a post (from the particular person I'm looking at) to be honest. Of course the method is not flawless and is completely dependant on my ability to make that judgement, but it served me right in the past and I see no reason to change it. From that place you can see clearly that any explanation I provide you with for my reasoning wouldn't apply to everyone and is not verifyable. What you can do is check for the same things I do. The motives and truthfulness behind my posts and see if you think I'm trying to put on a show or I'm speaking my mind without the fear of consequence. If you can make that distinction then you will have a good idea of my alignment. The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks.
I remember this post from sandro in the Looney game (I was still a newbie at that time and this post made a certain impression on me) so I believe that sandro reads are based on a combination of the two (guts + reasoning). It's difficult to assess the integrity and truthfulness of someone's posts, for me it's more like a feeling you get when you read and try to understand their thought process.
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On November 24 2012 20:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone else think that this is a setup by Sandro and Prome to 'verify' both their alignments? Lets go through the sequence of events, 1. Sandro posts that he is roleblocked. 2. Prome imply's that he did the roleblock and it had a special ability showing who the target attacked that cycle. 3. Sandro then claims the ability, Shadow and says he targeted Syllo, which basically again, imply's that Sandro is town.
I think that we need to know one of the players alignment before making such conclusion. Moreover, Sandro called Prom a mafia player and Prom called Sandro a mafia player. Prome didn't claim to have roleblocked Sandro by the way. He has just said that he knew who sandro intended to target.
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On November 24 2012 20:58 Oatsmaster wrote: imply. I know your english is bad but..
LOL its an easy bandwagon to jump onto at this point, also easy to jump off it. Yes I think that we should wait until some flips but meh, just thinking.
Djo why dont you change your vote of VE?
@Oats
Check the voting thread again, I'm voting for TheChronicler, who I believe is scum. The is the scumread I have on which I am the most confident.
@everyone
Regarding kita, the fact that he had conditional damage with the guessing game without trying to scum hunt and push really hard some players is startling me. I would have used this kind of thing to get even more traction to promote the lynch of my scumread. But that's only me.
@kita
Are you sure that you don't want to reveal your guess ?
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On November 24 2012 21:15 Oatsmaster wrote: right, Whoops.
How would kita revealing his guess do anything? Like whether he is lying about the guessing game if we lynch the guy other than what he guessed? I really think that adds some unneeded bias into who to lynch
@Oats
Yes, but if you have a strong scumread that people don't want to lynch, this bias could help you to finalize the lynch if you have enough town cred. Like, "I believe this guy is scum so I set him as my guess for today, and if you don't lynch him, you are indirectly hurting me, hurting me hurts the town". I don't know, maybe it's just me ^^
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EBWOP: by the way, regardless of his alignment, I don't think that he is lying about the guessing game.
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On November 24 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 21:54 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2012 21:52 syllogism wrote: Stop distorting the case against him Acro. I seem to be trying to read sandro as if I'm skyping with him? That's completely nonsensical.
You don't feel sandro is not playing any different? How about the fact he has done or said nothing useful at all whole game long. Not a single read; just throwing a name out there with no reasoning is not a read. Failure to construct reads is fairly in line with what? Is the sandro you know completely useless? The little time he has devoted to the game has centered around him defending himself rather than doing something actually useful.
Despite the amount of seeming effort you are putting into the game, your defense of Sandro is starting to feel quite suspicious. what do you make of sand's point about his party selection? That is the one point I think is weak, lol. If scum is able to take 3 townies along and still fail the mission, then his party selection is neither here nor there. The more I think about it, the harder it seems for a scum party leader to play the party leader role correctly. If Sandro is scum and takes 3 incredibly townie people along, yet fails the mission, he is scum through a process of elimination. If Sandro is scum and takes a shady character along, he is scum for bringing his scumbuddy along, because town Sandro should know better. Either way, having someone known for his accurate reads lead a failed party is a recipe for disaster for scum (assuming town has ways of killing scum).
@Acro
I think we are going to get ways of killing scum after successful event. Like the fact that today is a "lynch event day" is a reward for us to have succeed in the last event. I would have expected a different event (mafia favored event) if we had failed. But that's just speculation. I think that one scum on the party doesn't automatically cause the failure of the event. There are hidden factors after all. Frog (aka Dieno) being on the event could have allowed one mafia player to come along imo.
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I'm going out tonight, getting drunk and all  It's already saturday night here in Korea ^^ I might come back and do some drunk posting but the most important point is that I put my alarm tomorrow to be here around deadline.
My vote stays on TheChronicler. If was in a position to decide who to lynch between sandro and kita right now, I would lynch kita. Put some pressure on VE for me when he comes back in the thread please ^^
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@Kita
I want to know who you guessed as our final lynch candidate for today and why you pick this guy. I'm serious.
##Unvote ##Vote: kita
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@marv
Let's assume that you are right and that kita is scum and nit lying about the guessing game. What do you make with the fact that he looks afraid of dealing with sandroba ?
Hint: check also VE post when he entered the thread
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On November 25 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote: Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud!
what do you mean ?
Y u no scumhunt for real for a change ?
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Lets imagine that kita is scum and sandro is town. Kita cannot reasonably guess sandro as today's lynch nor seriously push for the lynch because sandro could come back any time with his guns blazing. If you check VE opening post when he writes sandroba name in red and bold font. The next comment makes me think that VE is expecting a town sandro to come back. Maybe it is too far strechted but I have really the feeling that this wagon is stupid and that sandro is gonna flip town...
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@TC
How could you conveive a plan whose goal was not to ensure the success of the event ? If you are town, what is your approach of this game ? The main mechanic is going to be party leader election and events so what do you do with that ?
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@kita
I want a name with an explanation of why you thought he was prolly getting lynched.
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On November 25 2012 03:56 marvellosity wrote: It is somewhat tempting just to kill sandroba simply on the basis that kita is at least trying.
I would prefer to kill CJ in this case.
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On November 25 2012 04:30 Warri wrote:sup guys Toad here. My internetprovider is down, I'm at a friends house, won't be back till tomorrow... Not a joke sry.
About voting me: Don't lynch me, I need someone who votes me though or I take a lot of dmg. Stupid posting / acting restriction being an attention whore 
Nobody noticed this ?
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Didn't Toad just say that he was playing like this on purpose ? He needed someone to vote him. I think that's why he kept asking Acro for a vote.
Does it seem reasonable for anyone ? Why didn't he claim then ? Toad is AWOL by the way...
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The wagon against sandro seems quite stupid to me.
I think we should better lynch CJ or some other lurker rather than sandroba. There are not so many things indicating clearly a mafia playee in sandroba filter.
I could lynch TheChronicler or CJ or Toad or risk.nuke.
Seriuously guys, sandroba has contributed in a more useful way than any of these guys...
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On November 25 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:21 Djodref wrote: Didn't Toad just say that he was playing like this on purpose ? He needed someone to vote him. I think that's why he kept asking Acro for a vote.
Does it seem reasonable for anyone ? Why didn't he claim then ? Toad is AWOL by the way... Did you read my case? Do you agree? Disagree? Toad's vote for Kita without reasoning was on purpose (and that's what that exchange with Marv and me was about). For whatever strange reason. I guess that could be construed as an attempt at trapping someone, and thus as scumhunting, but I am unsure that was actually what he was trying to achieve. Maybe Marv got something else from that exchange.
I'm on my phone and drunk. I could lynch Toad just for the fact that he didn't say that he needed one vote against him to avoid damage. That's bs. Why shouldn't you claim smthing like taht.
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On November 25 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 05:30 Djodref wrote: 1)The wagon against sandro seems quite stupid to me.
I think we should better lynch CJ or some other lurker rather than sandroba. There are not so many things indicating clearly a mafia playee in sandroba filter.
I could lynch TheChronicler or CJ or Toad or risk.nuke.
2)Seriuously guys, sandroba has contributed in a more useful way than any of these guys... 1) Yes you've said this, a lot. 2) No he hasn't.
1) I know, but you should be able to see that everybody is sheeping and lurking and that we are basically wasting this day.
2) Sandro entered the thread and immediately proposed a good plan to constitue a party when everybody was off tracks. That's something...
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