EPT100 damage was done to Hapa, which Hapa claimed was done to him, ergo no shield was present.
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100 damage was done to Hapa, which Hapa claimed was done to him, ergo no shield was present. | ||
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On December 08 2012 03:00 Acrofales wrote: Mind claiming who you tried to guess for the last few nights? Cycle after I shot Z-Boson, I predicted Clarity to die. Cycle after that, iamperfection On December 08 2012 10:06 Acrofales wrote: I read Adam's filter and did not find it particularly enlightening. The first read-through gave me townie vibes, but on a closer look I find the things he brings up too smooth and easy. He is not sticking his neck out at any point except for a hard defense on SnB just before SnB got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and lynched for it. He didn't push his Zbo scum read when there wasn't a "confirmed" scum to lynch and we killed risk.nuke. On the other hand, he didn't try to move the lynch off risk.nuke either. He has some posts that could be considered soft-defenses of risk, but he never tries to push any alternative lynch either, but is content to see where the thread goes. It could be a scum hoping to fly under the radar, or a fairly inactive townie. There also doesn't seem to be enough comparison material for me. His last scumgame was LVI which doesn't seem representative, because he was modkilled for inactivity. I can't find anything else that is even remotely recent. I do find that he plays fairly similar to this as town. TLDR: while Adam makes sense and seems to be a voice of reason in the thread, his scumhunting is rather limited and seems to focus on easy cases. I see nothing obviously scummy, but it's not conclusively town either. Next up: Phagga. I felt somewhat bad for shooting Austin before he even had a chance to post, so I decided to give him a reprieve and a chance to sway my opinion. But with risk.nuke dead and us still not seeing lavos, I went back to my first case and I still stand by it, and have been pursuing it. I was mostly content to let things just roll along with risk.nuke, because as I've previously stated, I had no idea as to his alignment as he looks the same to me every game, lurky, snide comments, next-to-no scum hunting. I was hoping for him to die, lavos to spawn and just admit that I was wrong on austin and move on. I've been capable of some shitty tunnels in the past, and I was starting to get that sinking feeling again since my case seemed to be getting next to zero traction. But no, risk is dead, we're still here, so I go back to thinking austin/Zboson is scum. Probably not worth much, but I'm a terrible scum player, Id have chucked in the towel right around the time Toadesstern got lynched. | ||
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On December 08 2012 22:01 Promethelax wrote: you guys should just come out and say it. There can't be more than 1 scum left (balance wise I can't see a seven man scum team with 25 people at least one of whom is 3p). The 75 damage comes from the item given to the leader of a successful party. Austin feels wrong. Gut feeling here but there we go. Syllo: how many roleclaims were in Risk's qt? I'm curious that SnB didn't fuck over GK since he knew GK's name. ## Vote Austin ## Epoch antiquity By Austin feels wrong, do you mean he feels 'wrong' as in scum? Or do you mean this lynch feels wrong? | ||
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What I find telling is that Phagga seems to be trying to decide if hes going to vote either Syllo or Kita. If they're both town, which seems most probable at this point, then why would a scum Phagga hear each one out, vote for Kita first, then switch to Syllo after Kita goes AWOL and doesn't answer his questions. That seems like a lot of unnecessary effort to offload your vote because your scum candidate (sandroba) bombed. In contrast, Z-BosoN was pushing Sandroba's candidacy with some flimsy reasoning (which I've already touched on previously). He didn't even vote sandroba until an hour before the deadline, that strikes me as supremely odd for someone that apparently never considered anyone else for the entirety of D1 (at least in the thread). I reaffirm, Phagga is town. Austinmcc is scum. I'm going to bed now, I'd really like to wake up to us squaring off with Lavos. | ||
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I'm not going to say I told you so, because that's incredibly non-helpful. What I am going to do is say that today you either lynch me or austin. No one else. Its that simple. Either kill the scum in front of you, or hang me out of this friggen game. PLEASE. ##Vote: austinmcc | ||
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I'm going to assume that I'll still need to predict who is going to die, which will be no one unless Lavos has some kind of damaging ability to go with his roleblocks. | ||
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Yeah, Ill still be predicting for my shot. | ||
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On December 09 2012 11:17 Keirathi wrote: Of course he has some kind of damaging ability. What would be the point otherwise? :o Its pointless either way, even if we only have 10 townies out of the 13 players remaining, hes taking 450 damage a cycle before night actions. Add 100 from Hapa's flamethrower, 75 each from Syllo and Oats, GK's damage, Hopeless damage. Unless he plans to come and spew death over the entire town, his death will be swift. I'm predicting dead after 3 cycles. | ||
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Good information for healers to have, only drawback I can see is if a 3rd party wants to mess with us and snipe our low HP'ers. | ||
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Acro has done more for this town than just about anyone and you want to lynch him while hes AFK? We lynch Austin today. | ||
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I also don't care what Acro's win condition is at this point, I said earlier, I have no beef with 3rd party. What I see now is someone under suspicion trying to sway the town into voting a 3rd party because there's no more easy lynches. | ||
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On December 10 2012 13:05 austinmcc wrote: This is what I'm talking about. We win by defeating lavos. Scum win by killing off town and having mafia alive. So what happens if all mafia are dead, we summon lavos, and he somehow wipes us? Nobody wins? Everyone loses but lavos? Grey has spent a lot of time crafting this game and hosting it, and I don't think that he'd leave this gaping hole in the setup where nobody wins. You've got no idea if Acro is the gap-filler. A third party that's pro-lavos. Working to summon lavos, but then against town once that happens. You may not have a beef with 3rd party now, but if that third party has a win condition that is actively anti-town, you darn well better have a beef with 3rd party. I will take issue with Acro only when his actions give me a reason to. My objective, as you've pointed out, is to kill scum, not 3rd party. | ||
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On December 10 2012 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause my brain, Marv said kita was probably 3rd party and there was a consensus until he claimed, which I totally forgot. :x Although something against Acro, All the actions we did in the 'boss fight', we sheeped off Acro and we failed+Dieno and Djo died. SO... You cant seriously dump that on him, everyone followed him without so much as a peep. That makes all of us just as complicit in what happened. Look, no one listened last night when I said phagga was town, even when I explained why it was unlikely. Don't take the cowardly way out here and kill Acro. Go back, read everything against Z-bosoN, god read his day 1, its a MESS. Now look at Austin trying to swing this lynch onto a 3rd party. After all that, come back and honestly tell me that you don't think hes the right lynch for today. | ||
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On December 11 2012 08:50 GreYMisT wrote: austinmcc (The Guru's of Zeal) was lynched! | ||
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On December 11 2012 21:12 syllogism wrote: Okay so I went back and finally read a bit. At one point adam warned against attacking him, but apparently that was a false threat. Why did you lie about that, adam? Can you provide a full list of all your predictions so far? I lied to try and prevent someone I had a town read on from shooting at me. Syllogism Dieno Toad Toad Wrathed Austin for 200 damage Clarity Iamperfection austinmcc austinmcc phagga The last two were incredibly frustrating because I had to submit my night action and then go to bed before the lynch. Then the switch onto Phagga happened, making my austinmcc prediction wrong AND screwing up my next cycles prediction because he was already dead. I think that comes across in this post here I'm not scum, feel free to roleblock the shit out of me, ill never get one of these predictions right anyway. | ||
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On December 12 2012 00:54 syllogism wrote: Can you explain your role a bit more N1 Syllogism N2 Dieno N3 Toad N4 Toad N5 Wrathed Austin for 200 damage N6 Clarity N7 Iamperfection N8 austinmcc N9 austinmcc N10 phagga These are what you submitted in right? So if I had died on N1, you would have gotten a bullet for N2? So are you saying you submitted Phagga last night even though Phagga was already dead? The way it works is I submit on day 1, my pick to die from the beginning of N1, all the way through til the end of N2. This does not include the D1 lynch, as that resolves at the 47th hour of the day, and the night actions at the 48th. Then on the next cycle, I lose my predictive power and gain a shot that has to be spent, so I can resume predicting again. Why austin didn't counterattack me is beyond me. I was kind of expecting it regardless of his alignment. I took 100 damage and was roleblocked last night. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:37 Acrofales wrote: Fairy certain Adam just claimed scum here. Here's the post in which austin claimed his actions for the first time ever: + Show Spoiler [austin's roleclaim] + On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote: I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up.
If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them.
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him. One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed. This is after it could have happened, thus there is no way you could have expected it to happen. You might have found it weird after the fact, but you couldn't have known beforehand that austin was capable of counterattacking unless you are scum. Therefore this is you making a mistake when fabricating what you should have thought at the time, ergo scum. Additionally, the night actions make no sense. N1 - N6 are okay. N7: why guess Iamp when Clarity just took a shitload of damage and you guessed him the night before, while Iamp took 0 damage? N8: austinmcc was nowhere in the picture yet. Why pick austin? N9: if you picked austin on N9 and he died in D10, then you got it right, didn't you? N10: phagga died at the end of D9, why on EARTH would you guess phagga on N10? It is completely senseless. Oh, and I didn't find this. Syllo gets full credit for wondering how weirdly illogical your night guesses were. I just assumed you could shoot and guess on the same night, and you hadn't claimed your N10 action. Thanks for explaining and claiming scum not thinking his claim through. You get to join the illustrious company of risk, austin and SnB. Sigh. I expected the counterattack to come after he said he could do it in later cycles. I switched from clarity to iamperfection because promethelax said he was going to seed/roleblock protect him, making it unlikely that he was going to die. I switched to austin because id been bloody harping on him for something close to 5 cycles, I was hoping someone would eventually see the logic in my posts after I bashed everyone over the head with it enough, yet the only person that listened was hopeless, you all had to go and hang phagga first. Whatever, this game is over, I did my bit, I brought down austin. Kill lavos, wrap this crap up. | ||
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Don't know why you'd think me scum at this point. If I were scum, i'd have lined my god damned predictions up with the night kills and shot a half dozen times by now =/ | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:37 Acrofales wrote: Fairy certain Adam just claimed scum here. Here's the post in which austin claimed his actions for the first time ever: + Show Spoiler [austin's roleclaim] + On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote: I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up.
If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them.
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him. One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed. This is after it could have happened, thus there is no way you could have expected it to happen. You might have found it weird after the fact, but you couldn't have known beforehand that austin was capable of counterattacking unless you are scum. Therefore this is you making a mistake when fabricating what you should have thought at the time, ergo scum. Additionally, the night actions make no sense. N1 - N6 are okay. N7: why guess Iamp when Clarity just took a shitload of damage and you guessed him the night before, while Iamp took 0 damage? N8: austinmcc was nowhere in the picture yet. Why pick austin? N9: if you picked austin on N9 and he died in D10, then you got it right, didn't you? N10: phagga died at the end of D9, why on EARTH would you guess phagga on N10? It is completely senseless. Oh, and I didn't find this. Syllo gets full credit for wondering how weirdly illogical your night guesses were. I just assumed you could shoot and guess on the same night, and you hadn't claimed your N10 action. Thanks for explaining and claiming scum not thinking his claim through. You get to join the illustrious company of risk, austin and SnB. Right, I've figured out where the problem is. My guess order was: 1) Syllogism 2) Dieno 3) Toadesstern (this one was valid until the end of N4, when we lynched him) so this was the correct guess. 4) I submitted to Greymist - If toad survives this lynch, then predict toad. If toad dies, shoot Zboson. I shot Zboson on N4, not night 5, go back and reread it, I claim it at the time, right after the day post. 5) Clarity 6) Iamperfection 7) austin 8) austin 9) phagga Does that make a little more sense now? | ||
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